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Home » Reader Submission » Reader Submission: Attention, the Thai police in Bangkok apparently need money again!
Reader Submission: Attention, the Thai police in Bangkok apparently need money again!
Dear readers,
Apparently the Thai police (BKK) needs money again. I was walking on Sukhumvit Road (near Soi 14) yesterday and smoking (I know, a bad habit). Throwed away the butt and stopped 200 meters further by a police officer.
If I wanted to come along. Apparently I was the biggest polluter in Bangkok because I was immediately fined THB 2.000 baht.
And if I could arrange this without a receipt. Of course after a long discussion with proof to pay. And the Thai, he quietly threw his dirt further over the hedge. Tourist discrimination? Yes. Was I wrong? Yes. But in Thailand people weigh with two measures and two weights.
A warned Farang is a careful Farang, let them spread the word…
Marc
Best. Marc the fact that you get that fine has nothing to do with them needing money. The fine for smoking in places where it is not allowed or throwing away your butt is well known. Clear warning signs can be seen at many points. You really owe that fine to yourself by not respecting the rules.
Old news
Still happens regularly between soi 1 and Asok.
It is common knowledge that if you throw something on the street (not just a butt) it costs 2000 baht.
Police with just a black T-shirt can also be stopped for this.
I once experienced years ago when I left a butt on the stairs of the McDonalds.
When I arrived downstairs, I was pointed out by an agent to a sign that said 2000 Bath fine.
I rummaged in my pocket for loose baths and couldn't get past 400 I told him 🙂
After 5 minutes of discussion that I really didn't have anything with me and that I would like proof of payment it was so good and I could continue without proof of payment.
Those 400 Bath went straight into the agent's pocket.
Well, very corrupt, same as driving with a helmet, if you sit in front you have to wear a helmet, especially as a farang. But if you have someone on the back, they can cheerfully come along without a helmet, even if you tear over the road at 60 km / h. Rules are rules, why that is less important.
This is not new. Throwing away butts has been a fine of 2000 Bath for years. Not only in Bangkok, by the way. I've had that fine once, just like many others.
If you know you're wrong, why throw your butt away?
Apparently no manners? Too lazy?
You don't take into account the fact that many non-smokers are annoyed by the butts on the street and by smokers who pollute the environment with contempt for non-smokers? (Not counting their often smelly clothes, which is good to smell when you're in the elevator with a smoker.)
You don't take the environment into account? Butts thrown away on a seafront promenade or on the beach eventually end up in the sea and poison the fish and thus the fish we get on our plate. Smokers don't seem to care.
In Jomtien, the smokers sit on the boulevard and are too lazy to throw their butts into a bin a dozen meters away… no, that ends on the footpath.
Where do smokers get the right to pollute the environment???
I am currently sitting under the Rama VIII Bridge in Bangkok for a Loy Krathong ceremony. It is full of plastic bags, food containers, black chewing gum sticks everywhere, paper, bottles, etc... not a cigarette butt in sight. Nice guys, those smokers. 😉
I am also a smoker.
I try to be considerate of the others. Inside restaurants, bars, at home, … I don't smoke.
Not even in the toilets. Not where people are gathered like at markets - I find a quiet spot or/and stand outside.
But in many cases: where do you throw the butt?
In Bangkok (and in many other places) there are no shelters or anything….
And then immediately react in this way – “no decency”, “too lazy”, “smokers despise their environment”, “smokers do not take the environment into account”, “smokers are too lazy”, … .
I think that's a bit too fanatical, and that's never good.
You have mini ashtrays that are for sale all over the world and where you can put your butts.
But most smokers prefer to throw their butts on the street. Whoever burns his ass should sit on the blisters.
Arrogant behavior by the way that smoking. Regardless of whether it is indoors or outdoors. Other people should never confront you with your smoking words.
kees2..environment? does the Thai know that? Throw all the crap everywhere. I agree with you, but smokers are a needle in a haystack. in that respect, they should go and see their “neighbor country” Singapore….you can eat off the floor….spit out some chewing gum….
Well, I think that's a bit too fanatical. Not all smokers throw their butts carelessly on the street. And foul air while standing in the elevator with someone who smoked lol. I occasionally smell people in the elevator that I wish had smoked something. The exaggerated perfume smell or aftershave, the sweaty smell of the fanatical jogger who is on his way back to his hotel room after his run. The belching egg breakfast lover, not to mention the poop diaper of the baby of the family also on the way to their hotel room. With this list I just want to indicate that you live in a world with many different people and some have different habits than you. This sometimes leads to nuisance for a short time. You have to live with that otherwise you would really have to find an island for yourself lol. Incidentally, I do agree with you that stimulants and in particular the remnants thereof should be deposited in the correct (normal) manner in the designated waste bins. This applies to empty beer cans/bottles (whether or not in a recycling bin :)), butts, plastic bottles, food scraps, etc. Incidentally, I am in favor of the freedom to smoke freely in the open air and that has nothing to do with it. making with contempt of non smokers but simply applying the same right as the others non smokers have. I never smoke in confined spaces, public buildings, etc. But that should be possible in the open air.
Oh, what a bad butt between the mountains of garbage. I don't smoke, but other people do. And if you are no longer allowed to smoke on the street. Between all those smoking and smelly cars and motorcycles. And sometimes you have to go to a garbage can for half an hour. We all know that smoking is not good for you. But that's a lot of things. Like you for nothing to worry about. Not good for your heart. And smokers pay a lot of taxes anyway. The government would not like to ban smoking. Because that saves a lot of tax. And for worrying about nothing, they don't receive any money.
If Kees is annoyed by a cigarette butt on the road, then he will have a terribly difficult life. He should take a van ride through Pathumthani, for example. If you look at the roadsides there, they are littered with plastic rubbish and other waste. Kees shouldn't whine and point at others. I'm a NON smoker by the way.
Yes Marc, the police have of course made a risk assessment. Farangs are the biggest polluters. Thais never just throw anything away, just look around you.
As long as I have been coming to Thailand I know that they are lurking for smokers which I don't mind, but as a smoker just keep it in mind.
More than 10 years ago I was also arrested. Then also 2.000 thb.
Called my girlfriend and she again a well-known senior police officer.
Was told that these people who have some kind of police uniform have no authority whatsoever.
So I just kept walking and nothing else happened.
Same thing a few weeks ago. Was arrested, told the person in Dutch that he had nothing to do with me and I walked on. He followed me for a while and then left it alone.
So if these uniformed people don't have police on their shoulders they can't touch you.
Also experienced at the station in Bangkok. No smoking inside (logical), so went outside. I asked the officer on duty there if I could smoke there, which he answered in the affirmative. Cigarette thrown on the street (according to Dutch custom) and the police officer immediately followed me. Had to come and sit at his little table and explained the fact and that I ?? (don't remember) Baht had to pay. After a lot of times “I didn't know this” I got away without paying. Apparently he wanted to earn a Baht on the side.
It also seems only logical to me that you throw away a butt or any other waste in the designated place, the waste bin (not burning of course!). In the Netherlands, a decent person does not throw waste, including butts, on the street, does it? So it's great that there are hefty fines in Thailand. Of course that should apply to everyone, then the streets of Bangkok would look more like Singapore (which is perhaps a bit too much, but rather too clean than too dirty). I'm not a smoker, but I faithfully drag my garbage with me until I can get rid of it properly. Sinned once in the Netherlands by dropping an empty can of coke that I couldn't put anywhere after 20 minutes on the ground, accidentally caught by a cop, and then never pollutes the street again.
This has nothing to do with Thailand, but I have to say…. when I came back to the Netherlands about 25 years ago, after living in Germany for 5 years, I noticed the difference: in Germany I was politely asked if I could smoke and you didn't see any butts anywhere. In the Netherlands? Whole ashtrays were dumped in the parking lot. People who came to visit and started smoking unsolicited, at the table where we were eating with children. And were offended when you said anything about it.
That is Dutch mentality at its best. Throwing away a cigarette butt according to Dutch custom? It is one of the most arrogant comments. We're going to make ourselves at home here in Thailand again. If a Chinese burps according to Chinese custom, it is a pervert, but a Dutchman should be allowed to do everything according to Dutch habits?
And then: whether the Thais make a mess here does not matter. YOU are a guest in this country. So act like a GUEST too. Keep your environment tidy, keep your rubbish contained and set a GOOD example. That comment touched a sensitive thread in me and I find it annoying.
As a fervent anti-smoker I have absolutely no problem with it, that fine of 2000 baht is still much too low!
Pure laziness, it is not that difficult to deposit that chemical waste in the appropriate receptacle and if it is not present, it is still indecent.
How crooked can it be, you yourself say that smoking is bad, just stop it, it is not that difficult. 🙁
now everyone here shoots directly at the smoking and knowing that you were wrong ... I give them right away ... But that's not what this post was about at all.
It is therefore about collecting fines (whether justified or not) without providing proof of payment that you have paid that fine.
And that is fraud, scam, corruption, extortion…
In other words, a crime committed by, in this case, a representative of the government.
And that is indeed wrong.
Even if it is a vain hope, I still hoped that the military government managed to kill this.
Regardless of any discrimination you suspect the Thai police, rightly or wrongly, I think this fine is 100% justified.
Cigarette butts do not belong on the floor, not in the house and therefore not on the street.
People sometimes see the public domain as a large dumping ground, but as a government I would deal with this much more strictly.
Firstly, it's just dirty, secondly, someone else always has to clean up after you, and thirdly, it shows little style.
Others who have to clean things up….Does create employment for people. Every disadvantage has it's advantage. And better a few butts on the street than a mountain of plastic bags.
The fines are clearly indicated and justified. I myself am a smoker but a fine will not
yield. Just buy a pocket ashtray and throw your butt in there, problem solved.
You can buy a pocket ashtray in the better tobacconists in the Netherlands and Belgium.
I myself use a nice silver plated one. Perhaps a nice end-of-year gift for smokers.
first it is your own fault .. and if it is not your first time in Thailand .. then you also know how the system works .. what I can not stand is that one word in your story. Tourism discrimination.. that's just not it.. This is Thailand here we have to abide by the rules and the norms and values. and generally respecting the law. yes, we sometimes have to pay more than the Thai .. and or get a fine, which sometimes you can even negotiate well. Remember you are in Thailand.. their country.. their life their laws and requirements. We can't (fortunately) change that. so tourism discrimination no..
Make yourself comfortable buy a small folding ashtray to put in your pocket and no more problems, you can find it everywhere in the bazaars.
Is correct!
Here with us in Khon Kaen the police are in it
a modified police booth traffic
to keep an eye on, and every now and then
while enjoying a butt!
Although there is a sticker on the police booth
is pasted in Thai… no smoking,
and if you do it anyway…you will pay a fine
to uncle agent of Bht 2000.=
The Thai people here in Khon Kaen
now the police here have the name
given…Mafia Khon Kaen.
By the way, most fines are
usually given here in the morning hours.,
right at lunchtime:
Why are people so concerned about people who throw away a butt, you know what is thrown on the street every day by their own population? You are more concerned about that than about the Farangs who throw a butt on the street.
I find it very bad how anti-smokers rage here, especially as if these people have never thrown anything on the ground, paper, chewing gum or something like that. And on top of that, if the Thai people were to throw that cigarette butt on the ground, nothing would happen, this is just filling their pockets and nothing else.
Why such a fuss over a cigarette butt being thrown away? And not for all household and industrial waste that can be found left and right in roadsides, street gutters and corners? Throughout Thailand? Even behind the front doors and in living rooms? For example, who does not know the image of the Thai who, while driving in a car or on a moped, lets his rubbish unfold in a plastic bag on the asphalt?
Do as you do in Seoul or Tokyo, for example, I often wish for those Thais (plus a few more things). There the adage applies: “Take Your Garbage Home” and in those cities people actually behave accordingly. In streets, markets and parks: everywhere you can see that leftover rubbish is packed in a plastic bag and deposited in a rubbish bin, which are widely available. Have you ever seen such bins on the streets in BKK or elsewhere in TH? In Hong Kong, another example, rubbish bins are placed at very regular intervals, with the top fitted with an ashtray. People chat in groups and can put out the cigarette after smoking and throw it away at the same time.
None of that hassle with greedily chasing and watching for bad behavior. Everyone knows by now that that's not what it's about! A nice extra income or by-catch, that's what it is. If you as a government/city council want desired behavior, you will have to create the conditions for this. In TH, a saying like “Good riddance” has a completely different meaning.
The question is whether it was real police. It happened to me once too. Also had to come to a place further on where the gentlemen sat behind a cobbled together desk (with parasol) on the sidewalk. Received a stencil with a lot of text and the message if I wanted to pay Bht 10.000 for the same offense. Made quite a bit of verbal commotion with the result that a 0 was taken off the price.
However, I wondered whether the gentlemen were really police, or a few dressed up con-artists who gave in after a bit of resistance.
I have learned from it, so indeed… smoking near an ashtray or not smoking.
Hmm that's it. strange for thailand in singapore i knew this will cost you a lot of money but in bangkok apparently a new trick of mafia sorry police i mean.
Also a friendly smiling agent who was waiting for me in front of the terrace of a large hotel in Bangkok. I had already seen it when I was having lunch, but I didn't know it was there in front of me. The gentleman apparently did not dare to step onto the terrace to confront me about my violation. Anyway, I left the terrace with a full stomach and was confronted by him about the fact that I had dumped waste on the street. Looking down I saw a wad of paper that I wasn't aware of had been thrown on the street. I bent down, picked it up, politely said sorry and returned to the terrace where I placed the wad on my table that had not yet been cleared. I then sat down and ordered another coffee. However, the officer waited patiently for me. Every now and then I looked in his direction and he smiled kindly. He was persistent and of course that had to be rewarded. Before I left the terrace I quickly went to the toilet. I took all my bath out of my wallet there and left only 20 bath in it. I then paid for my coffee and gave all the change as a tip. When I arrived on the street, he asked me to walk to one of those mobile police posts and showed me a large sign with the prices of the fines. 2000 bath for polluting public roads. I then showed him my wallet with 20 bath and said that I would be happy to pay the fine with a credit card at the police station. You guessed it. He preferred the 20 bath that disappeared into his pocket while laughing. I laughed a lot with him, but he couldn't have known that he was laughing about that 20 bath, but I was laughing about that wet back he got by standing near that wad of paper for more than an hour in the full sun. Delicious, but they are definitely scoundrels!
Michel,
Nice to make your point, I think, but your story is out of the blue.
No cop is going to fine someone for a "big" hotel, let alone waiting for you there.
By the way, the terrace of a "big" hotel will ensure that no paper is put on the street, let alone that they put their terrace on the street side.
Try a different story, or get a smaller hotel.
I would also like to draw attention to the fact that any violation that cannot be paid by the offender may be converted into detention by the police officer at that time. The compensation is then that 1 day in prison is equivalent to 500 Baht of the fine, i.e. 2000 Baht is 4 days in prison.
4 days doesn't seem like much, but I'm sure Michel you will sweat harder than that policeman.
He will certainly not fail to come and laugh with you every day.
Maybe keep that in mind too.
haha every fine is always wrong when you're screwed.
I regularly pick up an empty pack of cigarettes or a can and throw it in a trash can. My contribution to the environment! Still don't understand why on the street there is a waste bin in front of them.
I think there are fines everywhere in the world “Including us” http://nos.nl/artikel/2029225-420-euro-boete-voor-afval-op-straat-gooien.html. Just for fun, take a look at what is punishable with us that no one thinks about, but is possible. Prices are also much higher.
Yes sometimes very exaggerated, would rather have them clean up the dirt for me for 30 minutes haha
However, once again Thailand does not deviate from the Netherlands.
Marc take a plastic bag and clean up some dirt from the street, there is a good example to follow in Thailand. haha
grsj
Marc you know that throwing away a butt / rubbish can be fined and then hiding behind the habits of the Thai is not right! I will never do it myself in the Netherlands and I think we should set an example for the Thai population.
Never heard: “Good example leads to good follow”? Just a matter of education