Online shopping; a blessing to mankind and so tasty (readers' entry)
I regularly see posts here about the great Thai cuisine and recipes to make that delicious Thai food yourself. Sometimes I also read something about the obsession of the Thai people when it comes to food.
Admittedly, sometimes they can make a nice meal here from very little, but the food regularly disappoints me, especially here in Isaan, and sometimes I really long for a nice Dutch slice of coarse whole wheat bread.
Now I don't know what the situation is like with bread bakers in the rest of Thailand, but where I live they don't bake anything.
The Thais are of course not those bread eaters either, but what the supermarkets offer here and the bakery in Central Plaza, no, I cannot get rid of that, that is to say, I can get rid of it, but to say that it is a is a tasty sandwich, no!
For a long time I have tried to find the right(!) ingredients to bake my own bread, I brought the oven from the Netherlands for that purpose at the time, but I couldn't find what I needed anywhere.
Yes, Makro and other supermarkets do sell flour, but I can't bake really good bread with it. And I know that there are bread makers that can make something that looks like bread with flour and some mixes from a bag, but as the son of a baker, my standards are really a bit higher.
A while ago I found a store in Lazada that sold real French coarse whole wheat flour and they also had Australian white patent flour with enough protein content to make a good piece of bread.
After some diligent searching, it turned out that bread cans (tins) of a very good quality were also for sale and then I got to work. After some practice, it is still possible to bake a good, airy Dutch coarse wholemeal roll.
Just kneading the dough, good kneading is the basis of every bread dough, which is a bit disappointing in these temperatures, but the online store also offered a solution there. For €119,- I bought a remarkable dough kneader of a model I had never seen before. I have included the image, I have the 7 liter version with which you can make a dough with 2 kilos of flour, knead it for 15 minutes and then continue working hard by hand for another 10 minutes, then you have a well-kneaded dough.
By the way, I also saw bags of (English or Irish) white flour of 1,5 kg (protein 13,5%) at Tops, which you can use to bake white bread and milk bread or small soft white buns.
In short, maybe I didn't look carefully or look carefully before, but as far as I'm concerned, those online shops are doing an excellent job and bringing me products that I could never get here locally.
And the price? Well, you can discuss that, they will deliver it to your home in the middle of nowhere... nice, right?
Enjoy your meal!
Submitted by Pim
Regularly bake a loaf of bread yourself, sometimes in the oven and sometimes in the bread maker.
I always buy flour online at this store: https://www.schmidt.co.th/en/
Fast delivery and good flour. They also sell on Lazada by the way.
But regularly I also buy my bread in the store, the green one from Farmhouse.
But I also find the (bake-off) breads from BigC and Tops tasty and affordable.
Forgot to mention that when I bake bread in the oven I do the kneading in the bread maker.
I order my products from the same online shop. Excellent quality and absolutely not 4 times more expensive (or more …) as claimed below!
Their website contains numerous recipes for baking a perfect loaf of bread. They sell a lot of healthy 'mixes', all of German quality. Highly recommended.
The hobby in itself is to be appreciated Pim.
Guess I wouldn't have the patience for it.
A pea soup Dutch ball of minced meat tomato soup, I can make that kind of food regularly, although split peas are not on the shelf here either.
Not to forget the sour bombs.
Making it yourself is satisfying.
Bread from the Farmhouse company in this region [the green packaging] has been struggling with that for years, but oh well, you have to do something to get your dose of peanut butter.
For some time now, the same company has been selling half a piece of sprouted grain bread 280g in various mixes.
Big step forward.
And yes online you ask we deliver.
William, for split peas you can take a look here:
https://sunshinemarket.co.th/product/green-split-peas/
If you live in the Nongkhai region, right before the bridge is an Aussie shop that also sold split peas. Whether that is still the case and whether that store is still there: no idea.
William I buy split peas and lapwing beans online at HDS https://www.hds-co-ltd.com/products
I am also an avid bread baker.
Writing a nice article is nice, but unfortunately we don't know in which (online) shop you bought your stuff. This would be of great added value to the readers.
FYI: I buy my flour (or is it flour…) from https://www.schmidt.co.th/en/ (German quality but not cheap. I knead my bread with an Ankarsrum brand mixer (bought in Bangkok – a perfect machine!)
However, I am still looking for some good bread tins. Steel loaf tins are the best but I haven't seen them here yet.
I got bread tins for 1KG flour from here and I am very enthusiastic about them.
I also have the smaller 500 gram variant.
But there are more sizes.
They are very sturdy and dimensionally stable, come with a lid for casino bread and have a non-stick coating.
Nevertheless, I always grease with a very small amount of butter.
I have not yet come across the buses that we usually use in the Netherlands, made of blue steel and which you therefore have to burn in really well first.
https://www.lazada.co.th/products/i3403391660-s12584658713.html?urlFlag=true&mp=1
I ordered that dough kneader here a while ago, I see that it has become considerably more expensive, I think I paid 1000 bath less.
Don't expect miracles from it, in my case I always have to knead the dough further because I'm not completely satisfied with the result, but it saves a lot of work and the kitchen also stays a bit cleaner because assembling the dough is done in the machine and not on the workbench or counter.
https://www.lazada.co.th/products/i3853277923-s14711697574.html?urlFlag=true&mp=1&spm=spm%3Da2o4m.order_details.item_title.1
There is something to watch on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CehIJYx-PQU
The COARSE wholemeal flour comes from here.
https://www.lazada.co.th/products/i3376332867-s12490466222.html?urlFlag=true&mp=1
They also have white patent flour and regular whole wheat for regular brown bread.
When I bake coarse wholemeal bread, I use a mix of white flour and coarse wholemeal flour, otherwise you get that heavy solid bit of German bread and I don't want that.
So for me it is
300 whole wheat
200 white flour
350 water
7 dry yeast
10 salt
And I start with cold water from the fridge and by the time the dough is kneaded I'm already at 20 degrees and after an hour and a half of 1st rising the temperature is already 26 degrees and that's just right.
Result: a delicious airy wholemeal sandwich.
I got bread tins for 1KG flour from here and I am very enthusiastic about them.
I also have the smaller 500 gram variant.
But there are more sizes.
They are very sturdy and dimensionally stable, come with a lid for casino bread and have a non-stick coating.
Nevertheless, I always grease with a very small amount of butter.
I have not yet come across the buses that we usually use in the Netherlands, made of blue steel and which you therefore have to burn in really well first.
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I have the dough kneader here:
Don't expect miracles from it, in my case I always have to knead the dough further because I'm not completely satisfied with the result, but it saves a lot of work and the kitchen also stays a bit cleaner because assembling the dough is done in the machine and not on the workbench or counter.
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The COARSE wholemeal flour comes from here.
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They also have white patent flour and regular whole wheat for regular brown bread.
When I bake coarse wholemeal bread, I use a mix of white flour and coarse wholemeal flour, otherwise you get that heavy solid bit of German bread and I don't want that.
So for me it is
300 whole wheat
200 white flour
350 water
7 dry yeast
10 salt
And I start with cold water from the fridge and by the time the dough is kneaded I'm already at 20 degrees and after an hour and a half of 1st rising the temperature is already 26 degrees and that's just right.
Result: a delicious airy wholemeal sandwich.
Well, you're not the only one who didn't like the bread here. I'm already completely fed up with the bread you get here. At a Yamazaki you can occasionally buy a nice crispy baguette or a French sandwich, but you actually have to eat that right away, otherwise it will be tough. Moreover, it is all white bread.. not exactly good for your body.
I had bought a bread maker a few years ago and the results were downright disappointing. Then I used it as a kneading machine. Was fine, until one day the hooks stopped turning.
After searching I also ended up on the same kneading machine that you showed in the picture. However, I only paid 2687 Baht ... sometimes it pays to click through ... (it is also 7 liters).
Nice device. I am very satisfied with it. I now bake two loaves of bread at the same time in my oven and this saves energy and time. One of them is in the freezer and the other will be eaten over the next few weeks.
Oh yeah…. I don't know the "real Dutch" wholemeal bread. I'm more used to German whole wheat, which is quite firm and I also have a nice, super simple recipe for it with only four ingredients: (wholemeal) flour, salt, yeast and water.
The bread I produce with it is rock hard in the beginning, but after a day the crust is slightly softer and can be cut again. The bread is also firm on the inside and packed with fiber.
And I also went online to look. At Shopee and Lazada. Recently I bought a wholemeal flour from Yokintertrade at Shopee…. a kilo less than fifty baht. I was able to make two delicious loaves of bread. There are various types available in the online stores…
Thanks to the kneading machine, the actual work is very minimal.
Other requirements: a steel spatula, a plastic spatula, a silicone surface and of course your baking tin.
Too bad I can't post pictures here, otherwise I could show the results….
Dear , please name the bread dough machine and where bought only 2687 Baht paid. Thanks and many greetings to everyone for all the information and keep going I would say Rikky
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You can find him on Lazada. Bear dough mixer or bear dough kneader.
There are various prices. You can get it for 1600 Baht as a 3,5 ltr version or for 1100 baht more (2699 baht) as a 7 ltr version. Prices vary quite a bit.
I wanted to post the link, but it looked terribly long. However, I think you will succeed in entering the same search terms.
There are reviews on YouTube about it.. https://youtu.be/pEZv7-C3BWg
Of course you can also opt for a kitchen aid or the like. Then you pay between 10000 and 20000 baht and you can do more with it. But if you only bought it to knead the dough, it would be a bit overkill.
By the way, I already mixed minced meat with it. That's fine too.
I ask myself the question to what extent you can make an airy dough of good quality in a kneading machine of roughly 2500 THB.
My kneading machine costs many times more and is more than worth the investment. Overkill? That is a personal opinion, but a quality machine costs money.
Dear Jack S.
a very long link is very easy to shorten.
For example, copy and paste the link from Lazada to the website link below and you will get a very short link that works.
https://bitly.com/
I can buy really good bread here in the region (Chiang Mai), both light and dark bread, in various places. usually buy 4 or 5 for the whole week and freeze them. Lay them out the night before and put them in the warm air oven at 50 degrees in the morning and then they will be nice and fresh and crispy. Tops delivers to my house for free for salami, cheese, butter, soft drinks, beer, etc. deliver during the week. We live in Maerim and they come from Chiang Mai for free and with a smile (15 km). So for the time being I don't see myself getting started myself 🙂
Good bread in Thailand? Thailand is NOT a bread country and will never be able to match the quality of our country.
Due to the lack of good bread, I also started baking myself. And to be honest, my bread tastes much better than the Thai bread. And don't worry, when I moved here, I bought my bread in many different shops.
The baguettes and the brown bread at Big C can beat each other's brains, but they have a white French bun that is very tasty, especially toasted
Unfortunately in very small quantities, while the other types of bread (remain) in large quantities in the bins.
And no I don't understand why. I've asked the bakers about it, but I have the impression that the reason is that they always do it that way.
So don't bake according to what you sell, but according to what you baked yesterday and last year.
Even if you have to throw away the unsold bread every day at the end of the day.
Can you imagine what all those Thai people who live in Western Europe are going through because there is no real somtam for sale anywhere..... not to mention the markets every day in the open air ..
In Chiangmai you can buy excellent bread both in BGC AND IN TOPS you can now also buy the pre-baked baguette and sandwich from BGC 10 A15 minutes in the oven and you're done, always fresh bread
If you have to put excellent quality bread in the oven for 10 to 15 minutes to make it tasty again, I have some questions. Then it is anything but fresh.
This is also the reason I bake my bread myself. I always bake 2 large loaves of bread that I freeze per portion. Only then will I have fresh bread every day and at least know what I'm eating.
Almost all (commercial) bread is full of preservatives and bread improvers. If I leave my homemade bread for 2 days it will be moldy. But I don't use all those chemical products. I take my bread out of the freezer and it is consumed the same day.
Dear Thailand Blog, thanks for all the good tips! Greetings Ricky
The problem with the Thai is that they put sugar in everything. Tasty savory bread is hard to find even at 7-11. All kinds of bread variations with cream, etc. Pizza bases are also sweetened. For a savory pizza you can only go to an (expensive) Italian. I hope it will change someday.
Hello Pim,
The Netherlands is a real bread country. You will not find the range and quality here. I also come from a baking family. I find what is offered here acceptable, but will never approach the quality and number of varieties that we have in the Netherlands. That is not surprising, it is a completely different culture than the Netherlands. If you want that quality, you have to make it yourself, with basic products from the Netherlands and or sell bread here in Thailand. Earning money here with food and drinks is a lot easier. The lack of regulations gives you many possibilities to start a business or bar or restaurant. you can earn a lot. If you do it with the Dutch entrepreneurial spirit.
A tip: don't buy your products on Lazada or another web shop. The price is a factor of 3 or even higher than the price in the Netherlands.
You have to order it in a Dutch webshop or have it bought in the Netherlands. And send with PTT or another organization. It is more expensive than in the Netherlands, but you pay shipping costs, but still a lot cheaper than ordering from Lazada or another web chop.
Greetings from Ayuttaya
Fred van lamoon
Indeed, buying your stuff in the Netherlands and having it shipped to Thailand. Pay a lot of shipping costs and if you are unlucky you can also cough up a lot of import duties.
I buy my European bread products online and I am sure that they will be delivered within a few days.
By the way: How many webshops in the Netherlands will send your stuff to Thailand? Feel free to give me some examples of that.
Dear Mark,
You misunderstand me or I wasn't clear. You must have the products purchased or ordered in the Netherlands and sent to Thailand with a Dutch parcel service. You pay more because you have shipping costs, but it is still much cheaper than ordering them here from, for example, Lazada, Shoppie or another web chop.
Goodbye
Fred
Is the price a factor of 4 or even higher? Apparently exaggerating is an art.
I always buy my basic products for my bread online in Thailand and indeed pay a little more than the normal prices in the Netherlands / Belgium. But a price times 4 … no, can you show me this? There are some falsehoods being sold here.
And order your products in the Netherlands and have them shipped to an address in Thailand? Which webshop will want to do that and how much will it cost? Do you also have some experience with that? Maybe you have some good advice, we are always helped with that.
Dear Walter,
Dutch brand products or brand products from abroad are sold at extremely high prices in Thailand. I'm not exaggerating about that...For example edam cheese or DE ground coffee...But you have to order them from a web chop or store. and then send it to Thailand with a Dutch parcel service. You pay shipping costs, but then it is still considerably cheaper than what you pay here. You can buy some things here, but you pay way, way too much. The price is also far too high in the macro. If the shops in the Netherlands sell their products as expensive as here, there is no money to be made on dry bread.
Greetings Fred
Occasionally I also think of the really tasty breads that are for sale in NL, but yes if it is not there then you have to find something else. Incidentally, there is no arguing about taste anyway, but that aside.
I have tried many Dutch bread recipes here, but ciabatta has proven to be the simplest recipe that can also be used for all kinds of worldly dishes. If you want it brown, add some brown sugar.
The recipe on the link below works great in Thailand, although I do use cold water and it is a bit of spatula in a bowl. The last 5 minutes are a bit heavier, but if you turn the bowl and also use your spatula, it's not too difficult.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3uW5zJcwGKg
In the top restaurant Café des Amis I ate some delicious pieces of bread. They came from 'the own bakery', it was said. Well, let's get that bakery a little bigger.
So it is possible, good bread in Thailand. Perhaps an open market for an entrepreneur? Plenty of patronage, I'm sure.
I understand that many foreigners [Dutch Belgians] like to make bread as a hobby.
It is also clear that the lack of this hobby in earlier times killed many birds with one stone.
Do you still have the small group that can not have the sugar content, also clear.
You don't have to let the offer online get ahead of you, don't believe that you're cheaper if you add everything up honestly, including your kitchen stuff.
With the slogan 'buy brown bread in thailand' many ten brands of brown bread are offered to me online.
Use Farmhouse Royal 12 grains in various variations yourself, simply for sale at the larger stores.
Don't some go a little too far in the glorification of their hobby.
It's strange that so many people cannot do without bread in a foreign country. If I stay in Thailand for longer periods, I don't miss bread at all. My breakfast is just as tasty and even tastier with rice or noodles and pork or with a noodle or rice soup. I think the local bread, toasted, with fried eggs and bacon, is quite tasty.
That's what I thought twelve years ago. But if you live permanently in Thailand, you will miss certain things after a while. Bread is a good example of this.
I have to smile because the Netherlands is referred to as a real bread country. Ask in Germany what people think about Dutch bread, and rightly so. I think this designation goes to Germany.
But what I can also say is that you can't just buy bad bread here. At Yamazaki you can get tasty brown buns and I bought a small brown loaf there this week. Not bad either.
Still, I bake most of my bread myself. My dough machine still works fine and the kind of bread I make is much cheaper and tastier than store-bought bread.
I sometimes order products here.
They also sell flour:
https://bit.ly/3dSl7DT
I enjoy Thai food every day, but in the morning I like to eat delicious bread.
After trying a lot of bread, I finally ended up at the bakery of Foodland supermarkets. They have delicious whole wheat bread and many other types of bread there. Since we live a 45-minute drive from a Foodland location, we stock up on a large number of loaves of bread every 2 weeks. Tip: between 19:00 PM and 23:00 PM all bread is half price (around 60 THB for a whole whole wheat loaf).
I also bake my own bread and it is much simpler than written here. Delicious crispy fresh bread. Just put some flour in the bowl with some salt and yeast water so that you can just stir it. I hate getting the sticky dough on my hands. After stirring, pour into a buttered mold and let rest for 1 hour. Place in the oven at 250 degrees and bake until the top is nicely browned. Delicious bread and simple to make. Good luck
Hello Vincent,
The preparation and recipe as you describe was widely used after the war. However, fresh yeast was not available because the vaults where the yeast cultures were carefully stored could not supply yeast for a long time due to the war.
During the war and long afterwards, sourdough (as far as the bakers could make and process it) was used. Nowadays it is completely modern again. The flour was made available to the Bakkers through the government and later through the Marshal Aid plan.
The bread was called “government bread”, nowadays you could say that it is a kind of 2nd or 3rd class bread for very poor people. Yet, after the hardships of the Hunger Winter, it was considered a treat even though it was not very tasty and became old and tough very quickly.
My father had a bakery in Amsterdam and until the late XNUMXs still made government bread every day, which improved in quality due to the increasing availability of ingredients.
I think that if you take the trouble to enrich your bread with a knob of butter or some milk and an egg, you will be amazed at how much tastier the bread becomes.
But if you're happy with the bread you're baking now, that's fine, because as someone noted earlier: there's no accounting for taste.