Reader submission: Suspected Alzheimer's patient who does not want to return to the Netherlands (part 2)
Have decided not to ask the embassy for advice because I suspect that the embassy can do nothing about this. What should I arrange for him?
- That he needs a pin code so he can pin.
- SVB since he has received a warning 2 x that he has not yet sent his living situation and proof of life.
- That the SVB and his Pension are transferred directly to his Thai bank.
At the same time, I went to the website of the SVB to find out about the living situation at home, I will work with this. Also because he needs care. It is for the SVB, so I also work with their documents: https://www.svb.nl/Images/20001NT.pdf Also that the SVB transfers its income directly to its Thai bank: https://www.svb. en/Images/7111NT.pdf
I use the form as above for both his pension and for the SVB. Then call with Skype. I called with Skype and pretended to be him (which I did was actually wrong but let my heart speak) otherwise it won't work. He also can't talk just mumbling. I have his passport and data in front of my eyes. Call ING first. Told them I'm calling with a friend's SKYPE otherwise it's going to be too expensive, As always they ask for all your details. Told them I don't remember my PIN and would like a new PIN. She said: it must be sent by post with a copy of your passport and bank card.
When the SVB called, I told them that I have been on vacation for 5 months so that I cannot hand in my living situation and proof of life in time (I had to do it with an excuse). But I promise you it will be in your possession early next month. Also the request that you transfer my state pension directly to my bank in Thailand. Then I will send you all forms completed and signed to you by registered mail.
After everything was clear to me, I started filling in the forms with a PDF reader for the ING bank and all the copies they need. Everything in an envelope. The next day we have to go to the SSO for the way of life, then put everything in an envelope and have it sent by registered mail. After 5 weeks he has the pin code and after 3 to 4 months all his income on his Thai bank.
I also gave them the address for a visa office and that they should have the visa extension done by the visa office (in my opinion that's good). A USB stick with correspondence given to him, the rest not, also stored on my laptop. Told if mail comes, scan it and e-mail it to me. Have regular contact with her by e-mail after that time.
I heard from my acquaintance that the SVB has been there for a check, but when they saw him and tried to talk to him, they immediately turned around. He passed away in 2017, without any business problems.
NB: That's why I asked this question at the time. And Ronny gave me an idea, but actually I already did it, see my final conclusion.
Submitted by Hans
Best believe there are people who don't agree with the way I did it.
Also that there are people who don't want to hear it and don't want to have anything to do with it.
But if one has seen this person, then one thinks, he must be helped.
By all means, I may have committed fraud..
For me this was the only way to do it, otherwise he will be in big trouble.
No money, maybe benefits stopped.
He does have 1 sister, which I was told, but has no contact anymore, children I don't know.
Hans
I've worked with Alzheimer's clients and I wonder if you've put everything in writing so you can account for what you're doing for him. Did you take him in? Because this person, who has lost his memory, cannot live alone without any guidance.
I understand that the gentleman in question passed away in 2017. That means that all information is now very dated and therefore unreliable. So all that remains is an interesting story
no judgement, no prejudice, but great respect for you Hans
Evert, if you have read it correctly, his girlfriend and I have all my correspondence, both with his pension and SVB on paper, take all responsibility.
Jan Hillebrand everything is true, I deliberately gave the editors of the Thailand blog my full name and no pseudonym.
All those people here in Changmai that I know know that.
Personally, I would also find it instructive how these people would do it in the situation I wrote above.
Hope it doesn't happen again, but if anyone knows of another method, please do.
Hans
Do I understand correctly that the man in question already passed away in 2017? Wouldn't it have been better to start the story with that because I have the impression that many commenters assumed an acute problem situation?
Cornelis, if you have also read part 1, you will see that it is urgent.
Always begins at the beginning, where it began, ends at its death.
https://www.thailandblog.nl/lezers-inzending/lezersinzending-vermoedelijke-alzheimerpatient-die-niet-naar-nederland-terug-wil-deel-1/
Hans
Why "speed"? The man in question had already passed away in 2017……….
Dear Hans, now I read that the best man died in 2017 while I thought from part 1 that it was about a current current situation / case? You asked some questions, and I took the trouble to try to answer them. Well, we are not all born with writing talents, but you could have placed your story in the past tense, right? Or directly indicate that you had to tell a story that had touched and moved you, and that left you with questions and concerns? You are talking about regulatory matters with banks and authorities, and guess what: these kinds of problems do solve if someone takes the trouble to pay attention to them.
But the question of what to do if someone can no longer care for themselves due to a disease such as Alzheimer's, or due to a lack/disability, remains virtually unexamined. What answer have you now found to your question: what to do with a suspected Alzheimer's patient who does not want to return to the Netherlands? Please note: this question contains the suggestion that returning to the Netherlands is the solution. But is that really so?
Mairoe: You are right that I wrote about the past, you are also right that my Dutch is not very good.
With your question, Please note: this question contains the suggestion that returning to the Netherlands would be the solution. But is that really the case?, my answer, that is up to everyone to know for themselves.
Actually it is my intention to stay here, until my death in Thailand, but also looks ahead.
Did you also read this, at the end.
NB: That's why I asked this question at the time. And did Ronny give me and others a tip, but actually I already did it then see my final conclusion.
http://www.thailandblog.nl/lezersvraag/lezersvraag-wat-als-je-in-thailand-woont-en-intensieve-verzorging-nodig-hebt/#comments.
Here, but also elsewhere in the world, it revolves around money.
I also wrote a piece in 2018.
https://www.thailandblog.nl/lezers-inzending/lezersinzending-nut-goede-ziektekostenverzekering/
Hans
A joke in between, should be possible.
I wrote something on my facebook page.
Got different response, I came up with a score of 45 points.
https://www.alzheimer-nederland.nl/geheugentest
Hans
mairoe: Dear Hans, now I read that that dear man passed away in 2017 while I thought from part 1 that it was about a current situation/case?
In part 1 I wrote 4 or 5 ago (read it carefully), but that is the same as past, or am I seeing it wrong..
My writing this is for people who want to stay here, what precautions they should take while they are still healthy, before it is too late and dependent on someone else.
Hans
Maybe you'll laugh at my joke.
This nav of my brain stroke suffered in Leeuwarden 2018.
The Neurologist of Leeuwarden has advised my Neurologist in Changmai to do a memory test with me once a year and to do a blood test once a year.
Memory or dementia they did in the Netherlands, here in Thailand, but in English.
BV: They had written down 6 words, must remember it well eg Book, House, Red, Tent, Banana, Bottle.
As soon as I know, I have to say it after 5 minutes, then again after 1/2 hour.
Also read a small sentence from a newspaper or book carefully, then just like those 6 words.
I sometimes do those words with my girlfriend.
Also a balance disorder test.
Walking one foot at a time on a straight line, just like we used to do who won.
Also stand on 1 leg.
I have asked my Neurologist, as soon as she notices that I have a memory or dementia, to tell me immediately, then I will arrange that I go back to the Netherlands as soon as possible.
Hans