Reader Submission: International Certificate of Vaccination and your trip to Thailand
In preparation for my next trip to Thailand, I (Dutchman) have also been working in recent months to get more clarity about whether or not a vaccination certificate is issued with the Covid19 vaccination.
Neither the national government nor the RIVM gave any response to my questions about this and recently Mr Rutte said in a European context (at the request of the southern holiday countries (GR, ESP, IT) that he was against such evidence. But in the end I did receive advice of the GGD West-Brabant, under which I fall. They told me the following:
“The vaccination can be added to the vaccination booklet. You can have this completed on location at the vaccination, which gives it a valid status.
It also has a legal status when your GP fills it in.
If you are vaccinated by the GGD, you can also ask for proof of vaccination in English, which is also internationally recognized.
The booklet can be ordered via the link: www.mijnvaccinatieboek.nl/ "
At the moment it is not yet a requirement of Thai immigration or of airlines (possibly with the exception of Quantas), but it seems to me to be expected that as soon as the borders open further and a lot of vaccination has already been done in various countries, Thailand will also ask for this at arrival.
By now it is hopefully clear to everyone that being vaccinated only means that you yourself are protected against the Covid-19 disease, but that you can still be a virus carrier and infect others.
Submitted by Harald
I also have this yellow book. Before my first tours in Indonesia and Thailand, I always had myself vaccinated at the time (from 1989). I also plan to bring this booklet with me when it's my turn to get vaccinated against covid19. I always carry this book with me when I travel. A friend of mine has already received a call. We are of the same year of construction, so I hope to have our turn soon.
So that also means that such a vaccination booklet may be viewed upon entry to Thailand, but because it is not proof of Covid19 negative, you will still have to be quarantined until it is found: negative!!
Welcome to Thailand
Is the yellow vaccination booklet as issued by the KLM traveler vaccination post after the vaccinations recommended for some countries such as rabies, hepatitis, etc. also accepted to register the covid vaccination? Thanks in advance Jan.
What are we talking about if you yourself have been vaccinated for protection and that you can still be a virus carrier, but ambiguous as a healthcare provider.
I once had one hepatitis B injection because of my work and for several years to date never contracted anything and no annual shot. Then what's the point of being vaccinated COVID if you can still be a carrier. We've been so taught that we're all just shouting stupidity. The COVID vaccine is also still in the test phase until 2023. In concrete terms, I know what a hepatitis B vaccine is for me as an example, but not the acute COVID vaccine. If I were COVID vaccinated myself, I shouldn't be a danger to the other.
Glad to hear, if vaccinated, that this can be added to the yellow vaccination booklet.
To be honest, I didn't expect anything else and I faithfully keep track of all the vaccinations on long journeys every year.
Every year I take my booklet with me (more than 20 years) but no official at the airport has ever looked at it.
In any case, it gives me a good feeling that I am properly vaccinated, especially against those barking calf biters. Rabies.
Hopefully the vaccinations will make some progress so that we can go to Thailand this year without much hassle.
I hope everyone can bring themselves to stay positive, saves annoyance and you only have yourself with it.
Best everyone,
Ralph
In Belgium, we have online access to our health data.
In it we can show what we have been vaccinated for.
From a simple flu shot to tetanus.
Also who has been vaccinated against Covid19 and which vaccine will be able to see this.
Attention Belgium ONLY.
I don't know how the Netherlands works.
I am a volunteer for vaccination center Antwerp.
People will certainly receive proof that they have been vaccinated.
MVG
But what about vaccination.
Which vaccine will soon be approved for travel (outside Europe) e.g. Thailand.
Who says you enter there without quarantine if you have the AstraZeneca or the Janssen vaccine, which only protects about 60%.
Maybe / probably you will only be allowed with a vaccine that protects at least 90 %.
For example Pfizer or Moderna. I've been going to Asia on holiday for years and so I don't want an AstraZeneca or a Janssen vaccine just to be sure. What do you think about this?
Today there was a publication showing that people vaccinated in Israel with Pfilzer biontech vaccine can no longer infect others.
FYI, the letter from the RIVM states;
After vaccination you will receive a registration card with information about the vaccine you have received. You can use this again during the second vaccination. Once your details have been passed on to RIVM, you can later request a copy of your registration card from RIVM.
Incidentally, I have never had to show the well-known booklet. I don't think vaccinations were ever mandatory until now when I went on vacation (with the exception of yellow fever).
People vaccinated with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine are much less likely to transmit the coronavirus. This emerges from two Israeli studies and means that the vaccines may not only prevent people from getting sick, but also that they are much less likely to infect other people.
The virus would be 89,4 percent less transmissible in vaccinated people without symptoms. In patients who do have symptoms, that percentage is even higher, at 93,7. This is stated in a data analysis by Pfizer and the Israeli Ministry of Health that the Reuters news agency was able to get hold of. The figures have not yet been published.
A separate study also yielded good news. Researchers at Sheba Medical Center concluded that 7214 vaccinated hospital workers were much less likely to transmit the virus after 15 to 28 days. This is an 85 percent reduction in infected people with symptoms. If asymptomatic patients are also included, this represents a decrease of 75 percent.
It is to be expected that studies that show that vaccinees are no longer contagious will come at a rapid pace, because that is the only way to sell those shots en masse. Whether people can still be contagious who were positive or have been cured after symptoms of illness is less interesting. Access to air travel, events, museums and maybe even the pub may only be possible with a vaccination certificate. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
I wonder how long you will be protected, because that will also have its consequences for travel.
The biggest problem will be, how do you prevent international fraud with vaccination certificates/booklets?
The risk of fraud is enormous if you only admit people on the basis of a “vaccination booklet”. (False vaccines and/or Covid tests already exist)
If you are not going to apply any test, check or quarantine, only to data in a booklet, you as a government must be 100% convinced that the information provided is fraud-resistant.
That is why people (Europe) talk about vaccination passports. Vaccination passports with the same "biometric" data and tamper-resistant tools, such as the latest passports and with entries that can be checked worldwide.
You can hardly expect that every customs official worldwide knows all possible forms of national vaccination booklets with all possible forms and names of registration of vaccinations.
This can only work if a globally representative document is drawn up, such as a passport, with entries, which can be checked by customs personnel.
Globally, each country can then create the legal framework in which these vaccination certificates are accepted.
And don't forget, a global penalty can also be determined if false vaccination evidence is presented.
Hi Berry,
So it could just be that it might be another year
or it will take much longer before we can travel into Thailand without a quarantine beforehand.
Because before it is all arranged globally then ………..
Gr