Isan experiences (6)

By The Inquisitor
Posted in Living in Thailand
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May 8, 2018

Partly inspired by a question on social media, De Inquisitor started thinking about why he came to Thailand, why he loves it. Most of the answers were clichéd. The climate. The food. The culture.

Few dared to say “the opposite sex”. Or the low regulation. Or the low lifespan.
That kind of thing keeps haunting The Inquisitor's head, he starts to think. Because he himself has had to adjust his opinion regularly due to his experiences here.

The first time he came to Thailand by chance. A befriended couple, he Belgian and she Thai, with a renowned Thai restaurant in Antwerp - and there were not so many in Belgium at the time - asked to come along during the end of the year nineteen hundred and ninety. It overtook The Inquisitor. South America, that was his preference after a few previous trips. But still, OK, why not.

Immediately after arriving at the hotel in Bangkok, De Inquisitor went for a walk through this metropolis, the rest of the group wanted to take a nap first. The Inquisitor was immediately caught by Bangkok. The heat, the crowds. The variety, the Narai hotel was on Silom Road, a long street, no skytrain back then. All houses and buildings are commercial – an office or a shop. Full of nationalities from all over the world, close by is an Indian district and a little further is China Town. Traffic took his breath away, he was nearly run over by a taxi while crossing a side alley. He bumps into an ancient temple, sudden silence through the greenery, only ringing bells. Three monks walking around the temple, in those orange-brown robes, it seems they are floating. They mumble mysterious mantras.

He came, gradually lost, on the banks of the Chao Praya. A world of differences there: modern and luxurious hotels on one bank, hovels on the other. The bustle of the ferries crossing the river, squirming between primitive cargo boats being pulled along. The longtail boats that shoot between them. Strangely enough, the river is still clean enough to contain fish. Water turtles too, there is even a monitor lizard on a rock. Green floating plants, en masse. How can that survive, thinks De Inquisitor.
He liked Bangkok, what a city!

The Thai girlfriend was from a good background with many relationships. So we had a car with driver for free. He took us to the most beautiful sights of the city, and then on a tour. Ayuttaya. Pitsanulok. Kao Yai. Wonderful first impressions. We met Thai people who were extremely friendly and hospitable, The Inquisitor was never allowed to pay, his dinners, his drinks. To be embarrassed.

And then we headed south. Past Pattaya, De Inquisitor had never heard of it, so we didn't stop there at first. Ban Phe and other coastal towns, so picturesque, palm trees on the beach, many restaurants with delicious food. Exploring islands by boat, paradise.

The last two days at least Pattaya, the girlfriend a bit giggly, she doesn't know how De Inquisitor will react, in Belgium she knows him as a normal young businessman. The Inquisitor, naive at thirty-two years old, was amazed. He couldn't handle it: so many nice young ladies in the company of often much older and physically unattractive men. Evening Walking Street, the GoGos. And given his own age, he received a lot of attention from that beautiful woman. Wow.
But still, once towards the airport, Don Muang at the time and a four-hour drive, the idea was: Pattaya, that is not Thailand.

On the return flight I immediately felt homesick. I want to go back to Thailand. That feeling would return over and over again for the next fifteen years. Three months later, De Inquisitor was back in Thailand. Neatly prepared, a self-compiled tour. Bangkok, where De Inquisitor wanted to stay for a few days anyway. Visit less common places. China Town, hardly a tourist to be seen at the time. Other sights that travel agencies didn't include like the Golden Mountain. Rent a longtail, with a helmsman of course. The Inquisitor wants to get off the beaten path, show me real river life, please.

Then plane on, Chang Mai for about five days. Beautiful mountain regions there, tours took him to other places, including a tourist trip to a hill tribe - something The Inquisitor never wanted to do again afterwards, what a staged deception, what a show just for the money. Just like that Drielandenpunt. Nothing to see. De Inquisitor thought the four-hour elephant ride through the forest was just beautiful, then back on a raft and that was more like rafting, there had been a lot of rain.

Back on the plane, Koh Samui. A paradise in those years. Sleep in a wooden house on the beach. Rent a jeep, explore the island. Relax, luxurious saunas in caves with open-air massage. Dinner at sunset, breakfast at sunrise. And then, the last five days, anyway to Pattaya. The hormones that piqued curiosity or what?
And yes, it looked dirty again. Not yet developed then as it is now, asphalt was only there until Third Road, which was then a dirt road. But there were the bars, the restaurants, the entertainment.

And so The Inquisitor began to know Thailand, little by little. Gradually, Pattaya had always become the base, with many interludes to other regions. Contact with the local population was limited, only with the service staff everywhere, without exception everyone was friendly and helpful. The Inquisitor did start to find his way in Pattaya, got to know Belgians and became comrades with them. We went out together, having fun. And yet The Inquisitor began to think differently than many. Why are these women doing this? How do they keep up with that, having to be cheerful every day, always willing to go wild with strange men. He often started talking to it, but hardly got anything out.

In the meantime, De Inquisitor already knew: I want to come and live in Thailand, he was already getting tired of the excessive regulations and interference in Belgium. And slowly took the necessary steps during each holiday. Set up a company, buy a house, buy a motorcycle, get a Thai driver's license. As a result, he already had more contact with the local population. Even more so when he came two or three times a year from then on, the house had been deliberately bought in the middle of a Thai neighborhood, De Inquisitor had no interest in such a farang neighborhood with security. He learned to speak the language little by little, with difficulty, but after about three years he was able to organize everything independently without speaking English or needing an interpreter.

His Thai neighbors were very nice people, hospitable and helpful. Not really poor, but certainly not rich. The immediate neighbour, Manaat, became a good friend. He took The Inquisitor to relatives in Bangkok, to his wife's family in Buriram. A neighbor across the street took De Inquisitor to Nakom Phanom for an annual village festival, the long ride was provided with music and drinks all night long with such a party bus. A moving discotheque, what a party.

This is how De Inquisitor started to gain insight into how ordinary Thai people live.
In the district there were also immigrants from Isaan. Who worked twelve hours a day for very little money, seven days out of seven for months. And sent as much of that meager income as possible to the family at home. They told how they were often treated badly by their employers, but also by tourists.

And so he began to review his attitude. Because in the Pattaya bars he heard the same stories over and over again. How farangs were cheated, how bad and lazy the Thai are. How stupid they were and how corrupt. No, The Inquisitor realized it: that is cafe talk. Naturally, there are such people here, as everywhere. And in Pattaya there are simply the daredevils, the gangsters. What do you want?

The Inquisitor felt comfortable. Hardly came to Pattaya center, in Nongprue there were also bars, even though it was literally and figuratively the Darkside, he had three bars where he became a regular. And now he could talk to those girls because he was seen as a reliable, regular customer, always cheerful, never pushy. And always: respectfully. That's how he started to see that it's not all cake and egg in Thailand. That there are poor people with hopeless situations, and that's how these ladies come looking for money. First they try to find a normal job, they are exploited or put under pressure and then they sell their body, the only instrument they have. And again he revised his opinion: no, those women don't like to do that at all, but they are so professional that they don't show it.

And then the unbelievable happened. After all these years of living in Thailand, that had never happened to him. He saw sweetheart for the first time and he couldn't take his eyes off her. The new cashier for the Brass Monkey bar. There he was a member of the pool team, the open pub had many Belgians and Dutch as regular customers. He couldn't get her out of his mind, The Inquisitor was hooked. Found his normal two visits a week becoming much more. Started getting jealous when another man hooked up with her.

But see: slowly but surely we grew together and became a couple.
Both very suspicious at first, The Inquisitor considering the stories about Isan ladies he had heard. It was sweet because she thought that farangs in Pattaya were not too strict about loyalty to the partner. But still, a lot of talking helps and mutual trust was established. The love and he also got tired of the Pattayaan conditions. Because wherever we came to have fun, there were always farangs who spoke nicely, even touched when The Inquisitor was playing pool or talking elsewhere. And certainly when we went out on Walking Street. Pattaya is nice for a holiday, not for living, we both thought.
The joint decision was made: we move to Isaan.

Where he got to know a completely different Thailand. Another foreign language, a much more extreme climate, and above all, poorer than what De Inquisitor thought possible. Thrown backwards in time it seemed, wooden houses, primitive tools, old techniques. But with an enormous knowledge of nature from which they get a lot of useful things. And again: hospitable and friendly people. Who, without owning anything, shared what they had, including with The Inquisitor. Also: the relationship became more open, the sweet told her life story little by little, which is true for about eighty percent of the Isaaners. Through love, De Inquisitor met other ladies with whom he could talk about less easy subjects.
And again The Inquisitor revised his opinion on Thailand and the Thai. Despite their bad situation and the fact that they are exploited, they remain positive people.

The Inquisitor now realizes that he loves the land and its people, despite its flaws.
Thailand is fascinating and versatile.
Of course there are personal preferences: yes, the climate. The low lifespan. And the feeling of freedom has become even stronger because of Isaan. No exaggerated government regulations. Building, starting a business, so busy without hassle. No comments from others, no finger pointing. No whining about anything.
No police lurking around to give you a fine. No neighbor whining because your dogs bark at night. No jealousy, live and let live is the motto.

The Inquisitor likes that you have to draw your own plan more, no guidance from cradle to grave.
To live is to take just enough risk to make it fulfilling.

And that last one is just the difference. We can make our lives fulfilling.
Ordinary Thai people can only survive.
And there finds The Inquisitor, too little account is taken of many comments.

So De Inquisitor would like to know: why are you attracted to Thailand?

18 responses to “Isan experiences (6)”

  1. Geert says up

    I also ended up in Isaan through the well-known touristic places.
    What attracts me the most are actually the people, I always say that the people from the isaan have chameleon characteristics.
    They adapt very quickly to the circumstances, Monday a "shop", Tuesday a lobster nursery, Wednesday a restaurant, it is really unbelievable how quickly they switch in the event of a setback.

    Social life is also something that attracts me, the neighborly help as I still know it from my youth is still "forced" here, at mealtime the pans with food fly back and forth.

    But there are also things I still can't place like the guts to stand up to the exploiters who are the biggest employers.
    THB7000 per month in shift work and then getting kicked out right before the bonus payout is something that infuriates me.
    Working together in a union is still something they do not dare to do.

    But life in Isaan is a lot more relaxed for me than in the Netherlands, I've been overworked for a long time in the past, but I'm sure that won't happen here anymore.

  2. Peter Stiers says up

    Beautiful story again and I can find myself in many things.
    Certainly nice to follow this and for me personally also very useful later on.
    My wife is also from Isaan and who knows, maybe we will move there one day.

  3. Robert says up

    Been together with my wife for almost 5 years... working as a pharmacist assistant in the hospital
    ( Ubon Ratchathani ) She is now 54 and still has 4 years before her retirement
    (we are stacked on top of each other)….Due to my work I cannot be there all the time (unfortunately) I travel a lot for my work I have been in Thailand since 1976 and I can call myself an expert by experience. What makes the Isaan special are the people, the friendliness, helpfulness, hospitality… the social control is striking.
    I know Bangkok ..Chiang mai ..Chiang rai… (never been to Pattaya)Phuket ..most coastal towns ect the islands but they don't compare to this part of Thailand, I have found my niche here.
    Despite my age of 71, I am still working hard… especially logistics work in Asia…Singapore…Malaysia…Vietnam…Coming home to Ubon feels like a warm bath…
    Earnings are generally low but one manages to survive…the long and close friendships hardly known in western countries…amazing… moving.
    Family comes first here… Father and Mother (very old age) are still alive and they are taken care of every day….. (do not fumble anything away in an old people's home).
    Life here is affordable and you can even make ends meet with a Western income.
    It is not that (fortunately) attractive for tourists, which gives it an extra dimension…
    I enjoy every day here.

    • hans says up

      Robert you have ended up in one of the most beautiful places in Thailand, almost no tourists, very few farangs and fortunately a lot of work for the Thai people, I have been living in Warin Chamrap for 10 years and I am very satisfied there, it is as if I am in the country side of a village, very mixed with poor neighbors, farmers, neighbors and next to me a retired Thai bank manager who is very nice, I was also in Thailand for the first time in 1975 but not sold yet, after my trip with my son in 2006 I sold, we visited many places in Thailand, and with my retirement in sight I quickly made the decision, in 2007 I went to Thailand for good and married my Thai wife there, who was a ground stewardess at the unfortunately closed airline PB Air.

  4. Paul says up

    After a single existence of five years after a divorce (with a cup of coffee) I was referred by an acquaintance of mine to a Thai nurse who had accompanied and cared for her after an acute hospitalization during her holiday in Thailand. I thought "shouldn't". Thailand was far away and unknown. Heard about it at school, but that was it. But yes, curiosity won out and I exchanged my annual autumn holiday in Turkey or Egypt for an adventurous week in Thailand. It became two loves: for her and for the country. But also in the Netherlands we don't take any chances. So first a few times I went to Thailand and she to the Netherlands. A possibility of early retirement from my otherwise great law profession was the first step towards the big step. Still waited two years of frost until the ice was thick enough.

    Now I live here with a wonderful sweet woman. Unmarried, because in my experience you only do that once. Love is no less, maybe more. After my big step we went to live in the Isaan. I had seen a lot of Korat, but then the Isaan is indeed different. Certainly no less. I recognize the social sense of the community. Yet in my experience they are all individualists. And everything revolves around money. And where money is at stake, lies reign supreme. That is no different here. Easy to say for me of course, as a reasonably fortunate farang, but it is an observation, without consequences
    .
    The friendliness of the people is a revelation. What strikes me, however, is the lack of ambition. If you were born for a dime…….. In my experience that is very true here. But people still get stuck in that. If you want to participate in today's world, you have to look around you. This is possible without denying your roots. A simple good morning, good evening, a hello on arrival or a bye bye on departure... I have now taught it to many people and it always brings a smile to everyone's face. Small gesture, big happiness, right?

    In my youth I was raised strictly Roman Catholic. I was even (as an amateur musician without any knowledge of staff notation) successful (unpaid) conductor of a modern church choir in the gospel atmosphere for 33 years. Yes, even papal honors! Until the feeling of power from above and the financial interest in the ecclesiastical institution crept up on me more and more. That inhibited my inspiration to such an extent that I eventually stopped as a conductor and even turned my back on the institute. In Thailand I became acquainted with Buddhism, a very highly regarded teaching in the West. After a few years I have my own thoughts on that too. The gold splashes off the temples while there is so much poverty. I am full of respect for the followers, but I often get the idea that I made the right choice at the time.

    As I said, I live a wonderful life here. No, not entirely without worries, because they are here too. But it's delicious. And indeed cheap. A beautiful new house with its own swimming pool, I had never dreamed of that. And the youth make the use of the swimming pool a daily party.

    And yes, I drink a beer and a whiskey. But no beer before four o'clock! I am actually still amazed every day about the excessive drinking, from the early hours, also combined with the traffic, while the driving skills of most Thais are nothing to write home about anyway. Fortunately, I had good driving lessons in the Netherlands, in which I learned to anticipate in particular. That has saved me or many a motorbiker of a very young age from certain death several times. Mirrors are apparently only for make-up here and people like to do that during the ride on the motorbike and certainly not in the least for the men!

    Soon another holiday “in our own country”, the Netherlands. Nice to eat a herring, a croquette and a frikandel. Visiting family and friends, enjoying the mobile home in Brabant. Celebrating a birthday and then …… back home: Thailand!!

    • stains says up

      hello paul
      Clearly another example of his own story from a reasonably wealthy Dutchman.

      A disguised story with clear undertones of condescending and contemptuous remarks

      about the lifestyle and entrepreneurial spirit of people from the Isan.

      This is the exact opposite story of what the inquisitor above tells about life in the Isaan and the Isaan fellow man in general.

      My advice: You will mean well, but put down that Dutch self-esteem and know better and read the many articles by the Inquisitor on this blog with great attention and open mindedness and you will get a 100% different picture of people from the isaan and isan society itself

      You also seem to be an intellectual person, so I would like to advise you in this case to learn the Thai language, spoken and written, and a new and special world will open up for you, with the advantage that you will experience life in Isaan with your Isaan. fellow people will find it fantastic and you are guaranteed to enjoy it very much in Thailand with your Thai family and friends

      regards pete over 15 years in isaan

      • Ruud010 says up

        Well, that's what the Inquisitor does anyway. As he states that: “We can make our lives fulfilling. Thai people just survive”, he is also busy reasoning from his own assumptions, as he thinks he should interpret his observations. I have been coming to Thailand for years, lived near Korat for a long time, now because of my wife's work in Bangkok: Thai people are indeed capable of making choices. Also about their fulfillment in life.

    • hans says up

      Nicely written Paul, I recognize things like no beer before four o'clock, for me that means 5 o'clock and a glass of wine in the evening, Thai people drink as long as there is drink or they fall over, they just can't stop, I already see people here drunk at 10 o'clock in the morning, recently had a collision for the first time in my life (I have worked for various factory teams as a race and Rally mechanic for 40 years, driven all over the world about 150.000 km per year) with a drunk old man driving straight in a left bend in front of him, I saw it coming, braked and was already standing still when he hit me just by braking. The police simply let him drive to the station and drive him home again after the report. He is a retired senior military officer, my wife said when I said why they didn't lock him up for drunkenness, the police man had to detain him to let him get back in the car! Luckily he was well insured and my car was 100% repaired.

    • Kees says up

      Good for you! Also good to be realistic… not everything is equally beautiful in Thailand. Most of the problems here have their (partial) cause in an abysmal education system. If you are not taught to think for yourself and to stand up for your own interests, you cannot expect too much ambition, of course. Instead of denying certain negative aspects of Thailand, some would do better to delve into the background. There is a small group of people on this blog who will not accept any criticism of Thailand or the Thai people in any form.

      • Sir Charles says up

        I don't think it's too bad though… if you had written 'Isan or the Isan population' then I agree with you thoroughly.

        • The Inquisitor says up

          Mea culpa 🙂

          • Sir Charles says up

            It wasn't a reproach but an observation, no more than that so don't feel guilty, it's not that bad.

  5. Mary. says up

    A wonderful story. I can imagine your life in Thailand well. We also like to come there every year for a few weeks. I would not want to live there myself, unfortunately I think I am too old for that. But the friendliness of the people feels nice even though we each speak a different language. But I think a Thai feels that you approach them kindly and nod friendly. For us, Thailand comes first and I think there is something in every country. hope to read more about your life in thailand.

  6. kees says up

    So you can see that everyone experiences their holiday to Thailand differently. My first visit dates back to 1989, and my first time in Pattaya was in 1991, when the Sai Saam was indeed still a sandy path. And I was immediately sold to Pattaya. I visited many corners of Thailand, especially in my early years, but for the usual reasons I always had to end my trip in Pattaya. For the last 15 years I have limited my Thailand visits to Pattaya. Many people who have been coming there for a long time think that Pattaya has deteriorated considerably. I still enjoy every visit. And in June I hope to travel to Thailand for the 76th time. I have now also visited the Philippines 5 times. And I also thought, especially in the early years, that I would one day live there. Now I don't have to think about it anymore. And certainly not in Isaan. Fortunately, we are not all the same and the Inquisitor is satisfied with his life in Thailand, and I am satisfied with my short visits to Thailand

  7. with farang says up

    What a beautiful, honest and moving testimony from De Inquisitor.
    What an open and tolerant attitude.
    This account teaches me more than a hundred bar talks with falang in Pattaya in twenty lines.
    They are often no longer than their own nose.

  8. Thei says up

    Nice to read your stories, it was also nice to meet you in person again on my trip through Thailand with a few hiking friends.
    It was nice to talk briefly about how you were in life.
    Also your positive view of Thailand, while many only know how to convey the lesser things, but they are pessimists by nature. I hope to read many more stories and you know when I'm in the area again I will definitely come for a drink again.

  9. henry says up

    For me, no Isaan (because no Isaan wives), Pattaya or holiday love story. Quite simply, I met my future wife (100% ethnic Chinese) in Antwerp in 1675. My first visit was a short 3 day visit to Bangkok in 1976. What me
    the first thing I noticed was the scorching heat and the overwhelming aromatic palette of Thai cuisine. Furthermore, Thailand or Bangkok did not make an overwhelming impression on me.

    My 2nd visit was in 1991 and suddenly it was a visit of 3 months. My wife had been back several times. In the meantime, she had built a house in Takhki, about 70 kilometers from Nakhon Sawan. Takhli was a rural community in Central Thailand. I was bored out of my mind there. And then I decided never to move to Thailand.

    And then……..then we visited relatives in Nakhon Sawan. And suddenly there was the feeling of coming home. Very strange feeling, but there was that home feeling from the first day. And that feeling is still there. This A-typical Thai city with its predominantly Chinese population stole my heart. Especially after I experienced Chinese New Year there. During that same leave, my retired brother-in-law showed me around Chiang Mai in the north, which was still virtually tourist-free at the time and Chiang Rai, which was certainly a sleepy town. We went by train to Hua Hin for a beach holiday, and we didn't see any Western tourists. In short, after these 3 months I suffered heavily from Thailand Fever

    In 1993 I was in Thailand again for 3 months. And then I had already decided for myself that when I turned 60 I would move to Thailand. But that I would never live on the farm estate. but would live in a city. And that would undeniably be Nakhon Sawan
    .
    Now because of my professional activities, long holidays were out of the question. So my next long stay, which was entirely dedicated to our planned move to Thailand, was in 2007.
    It was decided that my wife would sell her house and we would look for a rental house or apartment in Nakhon Sawan. While my wife was staying in Bangkok, I was going to live in a typical Thai condo for a month. To see that if I fell alone I would be able to cope with living alone in Thailand. The reason for this was that my wife was 12 years older than me and was not in good health. And that wasn't too bad. I had no need for the pub, I also let the vibrant nightlife pass me by. And yet I was never bored, because I exercised a lot in the local park. met different people there. In short, I enjoyed it.
    But as always, there is a but. There was and is not a single European-style apartment or rental house in Nakhon Sawan. And in terms of European food, it wasn't all that great either. So no matter how much I love, and still love, Nakhon Sawan and its people. My sense of reality made me realize that living there for the rest of my life wasn't for me after all.

    So in 2008. 1 year before our final departure, everything was about looking for a home in a living environment that was suitable for me. So the period of months of Googling in search of a suitable place to stay began.
    And we found them after a long search and driving around. We found an apartment in a tower building in the northern edge of Bangkok. Our Chinese landlady and Chinese agent, with whom we immediately clicked, renovated an empty apartment for us with a European kitchen and bathroom. I have a beautiful terrace with an open view, a swimming pool and tennis courts on the 5th floor. Top security. 3-storey parking garage with a Bluetooth access system. Also Keycard access
    There is a 7eleven on the ground floor and a Familymart 15 meters further. There is a Central within a radius of 5 km. Makro and all major supermarket chains. And according to Tripadvisor, no fewer than 791 restaurants within a radius of 10 km. There are also 8 hospitals, 6 of which are private, 5 km away. That meant that I moved after the death of my wife, barely 5 months after us. Outside of the sadness. I have never felt displaced. In the meantime I have remarried to another Chinese wife, but this time 17 years my junior.
    After 9 years in Thailand I can't imagine living anywhere else and certainly not in Flanders. Also the reason I never went back. Because Thailand has become my homeland. I have my Thai acquaintances and my 2 in-laws here. Here I enjoy a service and customer friendliness that has been missing in Flanders for 50 years. In short, I am a happy man, and enjoy the evening of life I dreamed of here at an affordable price. The months are even just too short for me LOL.

  10. Jacques says up

    I am in Thailand because my wife wanted to go to Thailand again in her old age. The blood creeps where it can't go. I could choose whether to stay in the Netherlands or to follow her to Thailand. Made the switch after my retirement a few years later. The love for her was the basis of this. Of course there are pleasant things in Thailand and they will appeal to many people. But Thailand is a country of two faces and if you don't stand up for that then you're not being realistic. Personally, there are some things that annoy me and that will not go away because that is not how I am put together. What is red does not just turn blue. There are good people here but also a lot of bad people. Jealous people and so on. A lot of aggression, especially in the countryside at parties and celebrations, reinforced by the large intake of alcohol. Experience shows how you will think about this and you see the Inquisitor do that. Very human and understandable. But not everyone walks their path and experiences it. As a result, you still get people with their own vision that can differ greatly from what the inquisitor proclaims. Their opinion is also an opinion and understandable. We are all human, but the differences belong to the individual. Understanding each other is important to be able to live next to and with each other. No one has a monopoly on wisdom in this regard. Love and understanding can muster for being different. That is not always easy. It is good to read that the Inquisitor has found his way and I hope that this will keep him busy for a long time.


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