Integration

By Mieke Kupers
Posted in Living in Thailand
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June 5, 2017

Francois and Mieke came to live in Thailand in January 2017. They want to build their little paradise in Nong Lom (Lampang). Thailandblog regularly publishes writings from both about life in Thailand.  


I don't think we are doing too badly with integration at all. It is mainly all kinds of little things that we notice that we are slowly but surely becoming a little bit more at home in this wonderful country. In the afternoon we regularly go to the market. Lately we have been cooking more often ourselves, because this way we can add much more variety to what we eat, and shopping at the market is just a lot of fun. The locals sell freshly harvested fruit and vegetables, fresh meat, and freshly prepared curries, desserts, fried insects, fresh fish, too many to mention.

Cooking is a bit of a camping thing as we don't have a kitchen here. But when we went to buy a refrigerator at the beginning of the month, we got a free electric wok with it, and we started using it. The thing is perfectly usable for the vegetable dishes that we like to make. Today we learned a new name at the market: water spinach is called pak boeng. The mnemonic bridge then of course becomes boom, which is quite obvious. I bet I won't forget… A vegetable seller commented that it was very hot today (make a loan) and I understood her! It's not a blow, and yet it's a kick when you notice that you're recognizing more and more words, and sometimes even short sentences! We like to occasionally buy unknown things at the market and then try out how it tastes and you can always find a video on YouTube about how to clean and prepare certain vegetables or fruit. Like big fresh bamboo shoots one of these days, delicious! We have only left the fried silkworms, but according to the neighbor they are tasty and soft on the inside! And we bought a kind of folded pancakes, which are baked on the spot and filled with a mix of, for example, sweet corn and grated coconut. Delicious dessert!

We have also adapted to the village rhythm. People are woken up here at six o'clock with music (we have decided that it will be a kind of regional folk song and it always ends with a tear-jerking tearjerker) and in between a talk from the village head. It is currently so bloody hot during the day that it is no punishment at all to get up at six o'clock and immediately take a walk with Tibbe. It can be tolerated at about twenty-five degrees, but by the time we get back home it is already approaching thirty. During the day it will be about forty degrees. We are actually very surprised that we can handle this heat very well. It's really a lot of sweat, but it's actually 100% not too bad for us. It must be said that on those extremely hot days we spend a large part of the day upstairs in our living room where we have the air conditioning set to 27 degrees, wonderfully cool! Another advantage is that you have very little laundry. You wear very little clothes at all, and when you are at home you can reduce that to a minimum or zero. Blessed!

In the morning we wash the small items by hand, which is dry again an hour later, and we hand over the bedding to Noi, who takes it to the laundry. For just under one and a half euros we have our bed and large towels clean again.

Yesterday I accompanied neighbor Nui to the preparations for a cremation of one of the elderly here in the village, who passed away the day before yesterday. That was a fun and educational experience! Almost all villagers help to support and relieve the family of the deceased, they do not have to arrange anything themselves. Funeral directors are completely superfluous here. The men erect awnings and roofs, carry stoves and gas bottles and bags full of vegetables, fish, meat and fruit, and then sit down and watch the women cook. Dozens of women are cutting vegetables, and gigantic pans are used for stir-frying and cooking. About 200 people are expected for the cremation, all of whom have to eat. It looks like a chicken coop, there is chatter and laughter, it is a downright pleasant affair.

I receive the warmest welcome, everyone just chats Thai to me and with sign language it is easily made clear where I can sit and what I can do (unpeel roasted garlic cloves and 'unsteal' mini-eggplant things). I feel completely included in the group of women and actually have little problem with the fact that I cannot follow any conversation. It's just fun to be a part of this village happening, listen to the chatter and laughter and just have a good time. I realize that there are advantages to not being able to understand or speak the language. I finally keep my mouth shut and I can meditatively enjoy what I'm doing and the atmosphere around me. I also enjoy listening to the chatter and trying to understand words. In any case, I soon realize it when I 'talk', because then I hear that they are talking about the 'farang' (pronounced 'falang'), which means something like 'foreigner', or 'White person'. 'Man farang' are potatoes, maybe we whites are named after them…

And a good part of our time is spent on our house and/or country hunting. I truly believe that it could become this environment where we will find our own place. The environment is very beautiful. We regularly make trips in a radius of about thirty kilometers around Lampang, and we have been surprised more than once by the beauty of the diverse landscapes. One time we mainly see rice fields and other agricultural landscapes, then again it is very wooded, or we drive in beautiful green hilly landscape. That beautiful green is a matter of luck, by the way, because normally it can be very dry in the hot season. In the past few weeks we have had a heavy tropical downpour three or four times, and that is enough to keep everything nice and green.

Along the way we try to spot plots or houses with a 'for sale' sign. But we see most plots and houses because we are tipped off by neighbors, acquaintances or complete strangers who pass on tips to our neighbors. Of course, the entire village now knows that new falang have come to live in the village, who are looking for a house or a place to build one. We are always advised to first have a Thai inquire about the price, otherwise it will skyrocket when people know that the interested parties are falang.

However, so far nothing has been to our liking, but we try to be patient and just keep going. The two places we liked, here in the village of Nang Lae, are not going to be. One house is for rent, but not for sale, and the other has recently been sold, but may be put up for sale again, because the new owner seems to have difficulty paying off his mortgage. We will see. This morning we went to look at a piece of land with the buuv, but it turned out to be a bare rice field that first needs to be raised before you can build anything on it at all. We're not going to. Butrrrrr…. when we went to Noi this afternoon with the laundry and the rent, she told us that she had also heard of people who had land for sale, and tomorrow we will take a look at it with her. In any case, we will keep busy….. we will keep you posted!

25 responses to “Inburgering”

  1. Nico B says up

    Nicely written Mike.
    Have you already considered the rules and possibilities in Thailand with regard to land or buying a house? It is advisable to delve into that before the time comes.
    Wish you luck with the quests.
    Nico B

    • Mieke says up

      Haha, yes Nico, no worries! 😉

  2. it is says up

    "One house is not for sale, but for rent".
    I would rent it.
    You can always see what you're going to do later.
    As a foreigner you can only "buy" land through a lease construction or a company.
    That has a lot of "hooks and eyes" and when you rent you can quickly leave if something is disappointing.
    (for example a dog creche or disco next door) 🙂

    • henry says up

      Buying land and house for private use through a company is illegal. When caught doing so, the deed of sale is declared invalid. You will then not only lose your property, but also your money.
      An interesting detail is that the person reporting this fact receives 10% of the auctioned value. One must also be very careful when leasing land.

      In fact, it is not wise for foreigners to buy real estate in Thailand. Renting is a much better, and in the long run even cheaper, solution. What few foreigners realize is that in Thailand only the land has value. A Thai is only interested in the growl, not in the house.

      And as mentioned, in Thailand it is quite often the case that the living and living environment can change in such a way that people want to move. But with a purchased home that becomes almost impossible.

    • Francois Nang Lae says up

      That would have been an option if we could have moved in that way, but some things have to be done and we will not do that if it is a rented house.

    • theos says up

      lol, very good advice. When renting you are not committed to anything, not even the maintenance of the house. Leaking roof, for example, and the landlord does not want to repair it? Pack and go.

  3. Gerald and Rebecca says up

    Hello Mieke & Francois, again with pleasure reading your story. Yes, we look forward to the sequel. As my earlier message, it shoots for us now at another 6 months. Yes 🙂 I don't know what your budget is, but we had it built in Mae-Rim, a very nice area, maybe it's something for you too ?? You can see a little more if you type in Baan Chom Thung on Facebook. If interested, feel free to ask questions. Mvg Gerard and Rebecca.

    • Mieke says up

      Hi Rebecca and Gerald,
      Those six months are over! Delicious and exciting, isn't it, that preparation time?! Baan Chom Thung, isn't that Marc Vermeulen's project? We met him recently. Indeed a very beautiful area, friends of ours also live nearby…. Enjoy this farewell phase and have fun with the preparations! Who knows, we may meet in due course!

      • Gerald & Rebecca says up

        Hello Mike,

        Very nice your comment back!
        Indeed the project belongs to Marc Vermeulen I must say we are very satisfied.
        He helps you with everything and most importantly very reliable!
        It would indeed be nice if we could get acquainted in the promised land. 555

        Greetings Gerard

  4. Paul Schiphol says up

    Mieke, how wonderfully written, you take us by the hand along all the discoveries and experiences. Great how you wish to discover other habits and foods, only labeling them as different and not as strange, ridiculous, crazy or dirty. No, wonderful that open look, with this optimistic and positive attitude you can only be happy. Expect that you will certainly experience setbacks, how cathartic it will be for many to read how you will deal with it. Don't complain, accept, take initiative and tackle things, those are the qualities for a sustainable Happy Life. Hope to read many more inspiring blogs from you. Gr. Paul

  5. Mark says up

    All very recognizable and nicely written. Keep in mind that those “helpful people” require/receive a commission for large(er) transactions (house, car, moped, etc.). This is usually shared between a number of people: e.g. the first informant, the second informant, your supervisor, the contact person between you and your supervisor, etc...

    Many take a grain.

    We think that is quite OK if it remains within reasonable limits with regard to extra “commission” (additional costs) and if it is accompanied by good tips and services.

    For example, my Thai wife bought a house after a tip from a lady from a neighboring coffee shop. It was agreed that the tipster would receive 2000 baht if it were to be sold effectively.

    At the end of the price negotiation with the seller, he suddenly asked 100.000 baht extra commission for the “informant, mediator and supervisor”. We were surprised about that and asked who that person was. It turned out to be a woman who also lived nearby. We had seen that woman once. When we went to see the building for the first time, she was standing on the street looking at us.

    We said that we did not know that woman and refused to pay that commission of 100.000 baht. The saleswoman accepted that. The sale went through without the requested commission. We paid the real tipster of the coffee shop the agreed 2000 bath.

    Afterwards, we found out through the seller that the neighbor who had falsely registered as an “informer, mediator and counselor” was in poor financial shape following a divorce. She threatened to lose almost everything, which happened later.

    When she saw my wife viewing the house with this farrang, she came up with the idea of ​​improving her precarious financial situation by secretly registering with the seller as our contact person.

    • it is says up

      3% agency fee is quite normal in Thailand.
      Unfortunately, the seller often turns out not to be the owner, but an intermediary or intermediary
      from an intermediary. This can lead to considerable problems and quarrels.
      I recognize Mark's story very well.

  6. it is says up

    Opinions differ widely about the origin and meaning of the word "farang".
    I have read several explanations about it, including "Francais", but the "scholars"
    do not agree. 🙂

    • theos says up

      lol, anyway. The Thai pronounce France as Farangsee, comes from Francais which is difficult for a Thai to pronounce, there you go.

  7. l.low size says up

    Nice story.
    By water spinach, do you mean watercress?
    Small leaves on a longer stem.

  8. Leo Bosink says up

    I enjoy your stories. Nicely written, with a positive attitude about what you encounter as new in Thailand. You also have a very nice writing style. I hope to read many more stories from you.

  9. Renevan says up

    My wife has her house for sale in Lampang province, in a village on the highway. About 60 km from Lampang. At the time, she had the old house of her deceased parents demolished and had a new house built there. Since she worked in Bangkok and now on Samui, and her brother who lived in the house died, it is empty. I can send you some pictures and more information if you want. My email address is [email protected]

    • Francois Nang Lae says up

      Thank you for your offer, but we now have a piece of land at Hang Chat where we will build. (To reassure those who are worried right now, we didn't buy that. We know that a farang can't own land ;-))

  10. Mieke says up

    In any case, it is not the same as the Dutch watercress. Pak bung looks different: http://www.google.co.th/search?q=ผักบุ้ง&oq=ผักบุ้ง&aqs=chrome..69i57.6027j0j4&client=tablet-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

  11. Fontok says up

    I would never buy but always rent in Thailand. What seems ideal today can become your worst nightmare tomorrow. You never know who will be living next door because that changes quite quickly there. And that new future neighbor you really don't get taught anything and will give a shit about everything. There are plenty of expats who have told stories about this, also here on Thailandblog.

    • Mieke says up

      We are well aware of the pros and cons of buying versus renting, and of course everyone will have to make their own assessments. We deliberately choose to buy or build ourselves because we have rather idiosyncratic ideas about how we want to live, and I think that a landlord would not be happy with our 'adaptations' to a rental house. The cart tracks, discotheques and karaoke bars next door… well, we just don't want to make it bears-on-the-road, but based on the kind of living environment where we want to settle down, the chance is perhaps slightly less than in, for example, larger places or tourist areas. Isn't it actually the case that the vast majority of falang simply have a place to live without the dreaded neighbours....?

      • Renevan says up

        Ever since I was here, for 9 years now, I have always opted to buy. First a condominium, we were later able to adjust this because it was for sale. One bedroom but two bathrooms, we added one bathroom to the living room. Sold nicely after 7 years, so I actually lived for free. Then I bought a house under construction, again making the necessary adjustments. Turned two bedrooms into a living room, turned two bathrooms into one bathroom and turned the L-shaped living room into a kitchen and a bedroom. That will never be possible with a rental property. We want to live according to our wishes and that will certainly not be possible for us with a rental house. I now know quite a few people in Thailand, but I have not yet heard of any nuisance from neighbors. This is more likely to happen with short-term tenants, it is not their house after all and if they are kicked out it does not matter. I arranged both the purchase and sale myself without a lawyer and real estate agent. Just do your homework and don't rely on the advice of people who have heard it all. My ex neighbor in the condo is a real estate agent and he had never heard of a usufruct, and you have to give him advice. But it will probably work for you.

  12. Bjorn says up

    Nicely written. You are still in the honeymoon weeks before moving to LOS, nice.
    For the Thai you will always be a farang and never be seen as one of them. Because of the respect you will hardly notice it. Gossip (jekjek) is a big part of the culture.

    Oh, you're going to experience it all. Take the warnings above to heart and have fun and happiness in life.

    • Mieke says up

      Oh Björn, what a sad tone in your response. Can I assume it is based on your own experiences? I think those experiences often depend on and are related to your own approach, way of thinking, expectation and attitude. I just assume that I will always be farang, and that in a community or village I may become one of them, if I am open to it myself, but never become like them, or the same as them. And that's fine by me. Why would I want it any other way? It doesn't matter at all that you feel and behave differently based on your cultural background, does it? And the same goes for the other. Why not just accept the differences and remember that we are all basically global citizens with the same desires and wishes, but different ways of dealing with them? Getting to know everything that is different here is part of the fun of living here for us, and we are naturally willing to face the less pleasant sides. Because we really do see it. But we have always cherished the belief that Thailand is no better or worse than the Netherlands, and we did not come here to be happy, we already were in the Netherlands. But I am not going to get excited about the Thai gossip, that I didn't do that about the Dutch either, and in my opinion they are not inferior to each other... What I can do about that myself is in any case to have the intention not to give rise to negative gossip, and in this we, as newcomers in a another culture, of course, still something to learn. Anyway.

    • Paul Schiphol says up

      Oh Björn, what a cynical reaction. Turn your gaze outward, open up, accept the environment in which you choose to reside. No, a Farang never becomes a Thai, is that bad? It is about mutual acceptance, this is what François and Mieke propagate and receive. Respect for culture and customs, participate and make your own what fits. Of course there will always be things that will not appeal to you, is that a bad thing? Not at all, this blonde Dutch cheese head doesn't eat cheese, no Dutchman who makes a problem of it. Also the Thai, he will never judge you about matters where you prefer the sidelines, but give them space to fill in as usual. Enjoy the differences, that's the pleasure of living in Thailand or any other foreign country. Gossip and backbiting are everywhere, rise above it, don't participate and soon you will no longer be the subject. From my own experience I know that participation is highly valued, bumbling and mistakes are truly forgiven. Seeking connection is more satisfying than shutting yourself out.


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