Every Thai advantage has its disadvantage…

By Hans Bosch
Posted in Living in Thailand
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June 23, 2017

Do you dream of a life in the 'earthly paradise'? Where it is extremely good to be, surrounded by willing ladies who provide milk and honey on request? You are guaranteed a rude awakening, because the earthly paradise was abolished after the Fall. In fact: in Thailand the fall is still happening. You must make do with the meager remains of the original paradise.

In my working life I have been able to see more than a hundred foreign countries, almost always for work and therefore at the expense of my boss. And I always thought after about ten days: “No, this is (just) not it”. I am talking about destinations such as South Africa, Kenya, the entire Middle East, Argentina, Mexico, the United States, India, Indonesia, Japan, China and so on. I had some doubts about Cuba, but the lack of contact with the outside world made me decide not to do it. That is to say: no foreign newspapers and hardly any reception of foreign TV channels. There is hardly any internet, or only at extortionate prices, as well as telephone calls to capitalist countries. The Dominican Republic also dropped out, but because of crime. This makes it virtually impossible for foreigners to move freely. This also applies to destinations such as Jamaica, Curaçao and Brazil.

When I first set foot on Thai soil in 2000, I thought after a short time that I could like it here. Thailand has the advantages of a reasonably developed country, such as well-functioning telephones, internet and a reliable banking system. In addition, many Thai speak a word of English and the prices of everything and anything are a lot lower than in Europe.

In short, once the employer's cut-off premium was in the bag and other companies turned out not to be waiting for an almost sixty-year-old (and I had meanwhile met a nice Thai), the conclusion was quickly drawn: not staying behind the sanseverias in the Netherlands sitting, but under a palm tree in Thailand. For a moment I toyed with the idea of ​​buying a piece of land outside Hua Hin to build a bungalow there, but my Thai partner refused to live so far outside the civilized world. At that time a correct vision, because the ground was 12 kilometers from Hua Hin. A solid trip to get the newspaper every morning…

After five years, the euphoria of entering the new homeland has subsided somewhat, although the advantages still outweigh the disadvantages of the Netherlands. In any case, a big advantage is the weather. I hated those long, dark, gray and damp Dutch winters. Snow is nice the first day, but after that I don't need that mush that has turned into a porridge. And that 25 degrees below zero during the last Elfstedentocht (1998?) is also etched in my memory as a low point. Not to mention the bills for heating, property tax, parking in front of the door and so on, which rise every year. Now there is also a disadvantage to the constant and humid heat in Thailand. Every physical effort leads to a soaking wet shirt. I admit, in the north and northeast of Thailand it can be quite cool in December and January. Anyone who likes it will certainly feel at home there. The best combination would be to spend the winter in Thailand and the summer in the Netherlands. However, not everyone can afford that.

An advantage is also the excellent medical care in Thailand, although you have to go to the hospital for that. Because Thailand does not know general practitioners, at most some clinics of doctors who want to earn some extra money. In private hospitals, medical care is of a high standard. Waiting lists are unknown here and the doctors usually speak reasonable to good English.

A disadvantage may be that you can take out health insurance here in Thailand up to the age of sixty, but on the condition that existing illnesses are excluded. This offers little relief for the chronically ill from the Netherlands (for example diabetics or rheumatic patients), who are therefore unable to settle permanently in Thailand, unless they bear the risk of hospitalization and/or surgery. And despite the lower prices, that can add up quite a bit.

The command of English is a lot less in the shopping malls, although it is a pleasure to shop when it suits you and not when it suits the shopkeeper or his staff. The service is excellent, the quality of what is offered sometimes varies.

I am very happy to see the old Seri Center on Srinakarin Road (Bangkok SE) being converted into Paradise Park. That can absolutely withstand the comparison with Siam Paragon, because all world brands are represented in Paradise Park. Recently we also found a Villa Market there, the paradise for gourmands. And speaking of food: Thai cuisine is extremely tasty, varied and not too unhealthy. Although with the latter it should be noted that Thai cooks are increasingly adding sugar. In addition to the unbridled growth of fast food chains, this leads to increasingly fat Thai people. But that's their problem...

Of course, the relatively low cost of living is also a plus, with petrol and diesel for about 70 cents. Eating, even outside the door, does not cost you a lot, while clothing in Thailand is dirt cheap. So does transportation, utilities, domestic help and most hotels. In Thailand you will find a reasonable hotel everywhere, of a reasonable quality, for a reasonable price, just come to the Netherlands for that. I have already talked about buying a house or condo on this blog; the rental prices are quite reasonable, with the exception of the heart of downtown Bangkok.

I experience the indifferent attitude of the average Thai as a negative. Others have always done it, preferably those stupid foreigners. Thai people often hate working; they live hand to mouth, from sanuk to sanuk and there is no planning involved. The proverbial smile turns into a grin when the farang is then unwilling to shake his tree of money. Thais are usually assholes in traffic and many things only run smoothly when the necessary money has been slid under the table.

Among the disadvantages I also count the millions of stray dogs, most of them with rabies, venomous or non-poisonous snakes, malaria mosquitoes, cockroaches, neighbors with dogs barking for hours, blaring televisions, traffic jams, very old cars and buses spewing clouds of soot, dangerous motorcyclists and corrupt police officers. What I find difficult to get used to is the complete absence of any understanding for the environment. The waste goes over the wall or down the drain. What you don't see isn't there, the Thai thinks. As a result, the Thai slaughter the chicken with the golden (tourist) eggs. The worst part is that she doesn't give a damn about this. Another farang will probably show up to lend a helping hand.

Of a more personal nature, I consider leaving family, friends and acquaintances behind in the Netherlands. The value of this is not the same for everyone and the arrival of the internet, Skype and cheap telephone calls have softened a lot. Yet…

Only when you have learned to live with these criticisms (and there are many more), it is bearable in Thailand. A (short) stay in the Netherlands then counts as a wonderful one holiday.

– Reposted message from the period that Hans still lived in Bangkok –

23 responses to “Every Thai advantage has its disadvantage…”

  1. Sikan says up

    That is why we left Thailand again and focused on Europe again .

    For buying food at a Makro or Lotus, for example, you no longer have to stay there for the price.

    A cart with groceries is just as expensive there as in NL, especially if you have some products outside
    Thailand wants to buy.

    Remaining the mentality of the Thai has deteriorated sharply and the smile has been there for a long time
    disappeared……. unless you come up with money there.

    Money and Thai is one pot wet.

    Give me the Ardennes again ... wonderful! and you pay no farang price at an attraction.
    (ridiculous system there)

  2. Jasper van Der Burgh says up

    I don't know when this message was first posted, but I think back with nostalgia to the time when petrol in Thailand cost 70 cents… Thailand is definitely not that cheap anymore!
    I also have some comments:
    Outside the big cities people generally still don't speak English, not even the highly educated.
    It is now also known that Thai food is not that healthy, not only because of the added sugar, but also because of the pesticides and antibiotics that you ingest with the admittedly tasty Thai snack.
    In addition, Mr. Bos does not mention that pleasures such as butter, cheese, wines and all the other Western goodies that you as a Westerner occasionally feel like are extremely expensive (2 to 3 times as expensive as in the Netherlands).

    • Keith 2 says up

      http://www.shell.co.th/en_th/motorists/shell-fuels/shell-fuel-prices.html

      I see prices of around 25 baht here.
      25 divided by the current exchange rate of about 37 in a euro gives 67,5 euro cents for a liter of fuel.

      Thailand expensive?
      Insurance costs for my (modest) 5 year old car are low, 18.000 baht all risk per year.
      My water and electricity costs in condo are low, about 1500 baht per month.
      I do not pay a fixed rental value, municipal taxes, etc
      So Thailand is indeed still cheap for me!

      • theos says up

        @ Kees 2, you were just ahead of me. Exactly what you say. I only have 3 monthly bills. Water approx Baht 280-, Electricity between Baht 1500- and 2000- with 2 air-cons, Internet Baht 640-. These are the monthly charges and in my opinion dirt cheap.

  3. Rob says up

    I have been coming to Thailand for about 15 years now and I can totally identify with this description. I like the winter months in Thailand and the rest of the year in Europe best. However, there is too much that annoys me about staying in Thailand permanently. After about three months I experience it as an overdose and I want to leave.

    • Gert says up

      I think that what Rob states and also Hans cites in his otherwise very interesting story, to stay in Thailand for the winter months and the summer in the Netherlands would also be very good. At the moment I can't realize this ideal yet (work) but as soon as I can, I want to do this too. I do have a problem where to stay in the Netherlands, during those 4 months that you have to stay here at least. But hopefully I'll find a solution for that in due course.
      I think that if you stay in Thailand for more than 6 months, you will also get annoyed by various Thai customs and habits.

    • Cornelis says up

      With me it's the other way around – after about three months I don't want to leave.....

  4. computing says up

    Johan Cruijf once said “every disadvantage has its advantage”

    He meant this in a positive way, so he never meant “every advantage has its disadvantage”

    regards computing

  5. Bacchus says up

    Oh well, you can get annoyed at anything! Every country has its pros and cons. This is also apparent from Mr Bos' account. It was just not every country he visited. However, I wonder what was the reason for leaving the Netherlands, because no word is said about that? An especially SHORT stay in the Netherlands is seen as a wonderful holiday! Immediately think of a mid-week at Center Parcs! Terrible!

    I can only give Mr Bos one piece of advice: Look up https://www.privateislandsonline.com/ You have to have some money, but then you really don't bother anyone anymore!

  6. Daniel VL says up

    I have been staying in Chiang Mai for 15 years now and because I stayed in a private house last year I had to register with a TM 30. I did see that they knew almost everything about me at immigration. The first 3 years I volunteered for a month to teach English together with a Thai teacher
    the third year the director managed to tell me that the government didn't want me to do it. After that I crossed the Northeast of Thailand by public transport and by bicycle and slept in the most impossible places until I ended up in CM in May 2011 and made it my base.
    Little or no control before then. I did border runs where appropriate. from Cm to Mae Sai. And then immigration at the airport was understanding. I had a book and I registered if I saw a police station somewhere, then they didn't have computers and they quickly got a stamp. After 2005, people increasingly started to apply the regulations. Now people almost have to say what you want to do when they go out the door. Lately I notice that I often say to myself 'what am I actually doing here.' I've seen it all here. This year I turn 73 I walk cycling every day and to stay in shape I can't skip or feel stiff and stiff.
    I am also thinking about being in Belgium in the summer and in Thailand in the cold period.

    • IVO JANSEN says up

      I too have been spending the – European – winter in Thailand for several years now, a few times on Koh Samui , last – and next winter on Koh Chang , I really like it . Take a 3 months single entry visa (not too much fuss…) and then come back to Belgium at the end of March, when the weather starts to improve. and that is long enough for me, because after almost 3 months I am also starting to get quite annoyed by the $$$ marks in their eyes and their very often fake smiles, although there are quite pleasant exceptions. But life is there quite pleasant and affordable, and the fact that you can walk around in shorts and a t-shirt all winter is almost priceless in itself. yet after 3 months it's a countdown to see the family, despite all the skypes and other whats app's.

  7. Geert says up

    Hans Bos simply tells what reality looks like.
    This story should be required reading for anyone planning to emigrate, do you agree with this or not?
    Emigrants who try to change their new homeland into their old homeland, and if that doesn't work, keep whining on social media and forums about what's wrong with Thailand, should have prepared better.
    I have made an agreement with my wife that we keep whiners out, so when I am addressed in Dutch I respond to my best German with ;wie bitte?

  8. marcello says up

    Very good story and certainly recognizable for people who come to Thailand a lot. living in Thailand.
    I have also been coming to Thailand for years and also see the mentality deteriorating.

  9. John Chiang Rai says up

    Personally, I find the above article by Hans Bos, except for a few minor things, very realistic and honestly written. Honest because many other stories only write about the advantages, while the disadvantages are often concealed or deliberately ignored. The little things about which I have a different opinion, for example, is the knowledge of the English language, which is very poor among most Thais, even among the highly educated. Even when it comes to personal health, I have often spoken to doctors who are not able to speak English to establish a basis of trust with their expat patients. The advantages in price costs, compared to the Netherlands, can mainly be found in housing, energy supply, and necessary clothing. Foodstuffs, insofar as someone does not like to eat his rice dish every day, are even much more expensive, if it concerns those products that one knows from his homeland. Tastes differ, and there will certainly be expats, who adapt to their Thai families, and eat what is cooked, I can only imagine that many expats have a different idea of ​​a working life, also in terms of food, what their belongs to a truly paradise life. In short, an honest representation of the pros and cons by Hans Bos, without the so often mentioned rose-colored stories, which you will not find in any country.

  10. jim says up

    I don't want to be there longer than 3 months, I used to always think I would want to live there, but it has changed too much, and I think it's better at home, just the pure air, but certainly on holiday for 3 months

  11. harry says up

    When I couldn't do it, I always had the idea of ​​moving to Thailand later. In the meantime I could do it but I don't want to anymore. Especially because of the fact like some comments here - so I'm not the only one who thinks that way - the mentality of the Thai has changed considerably. It is no longer cheap either.
    It is also very typical that even some Thais are not happy with the current mentality in Thailand.

  12. Kampen butcher shop says up

    Here in Amsterdam I also suffer from yapping dogs, smelly barbecues, Africans who put their television in the garden when the weather is nice. It is also crawling with junkies here, I hear columns of rolling suitcases passing by every day, and you are almost driven off your feet every day by pizza couriers. I'm 63 but still waiting for a shit premium. Can I go to Thailand. Has my employer ever even hinted: Time for a layoff? Also have to go to 67. I envy you Hans! In addition, there is so much demand for personnel in my field that I can forget about WW. I'm tired and actually want to stop. Every time, after calculations, I stick another year of work to it. When will I have enough pension? The golden days of yore when you could retire at 60 are over.
    What is striking: My Thai wife, who has lived here for more than 15 years, has finally come to the conclusion, after a very long period of adjustment problems, that it is better here in the Netherlands than in Thailand. “I only want to go back because my family lives there and it is my native country” Furthermore: “Everything is healthier here: the air you breathe, the food is less sprayed, the climate is healthier, the traffic is orderly, there is taking care of the poor, etc” and: “Even the monk in the temple told me that it is better here” More and more Thai women whom I know through my wife also indicate that they no longer feel the need to return to Thailand permanently. Certainly not those who have lived here for a long time and have children here. They also can't stand the heat anymore, I notice. My wife in Thailand is now visibly sweating just like me. She even received comments from fellow Thais

  13. Ron says up

    Dear Hans,
    Despite all the disadvantages, I conclude that of the 100 countries you have crossed, Thailand turned out to be the best!
    Due to the poor English, I would like to know how long it takes a Dutch or Belgian (highly educated or not) to be able to express themselves a little bit in Thai without the other party going double with laughter!
    And expensive prices for Western products? Well…
    Will you buy Thai products in the supermarket in Belgium or the Netherlands!
    What is the difference ?

    Best regards,

    Ron

  14. Chamrat Norchai says up

    I am Chamrat, a real Thal, who knows the Netherlands quite well, having lived there for 27 years, now living in Thailand for another 15 years and has built up a large circle of friends of Farangs.

    I can tell you that the average Thai is getting fed up with the behaviour, mentality and unrealistic expectations of immigrants walking around here.
    Who feel superior in every way, something the Thai thinks differently about,
    They complain about quality, complain about the fact that the Thai in general don't speak English (I don't see many immigrants who speak a hundred words of Thai) and they want to get allies for cheap. Perhaps they are stingy because they think that the Thai are used to poverty. They want to exploit by negotiating to the point of embarrassment.
    And despite all this, they expect the Thai to keep smiling. Because that's what he's known for, right?
    I am less and less able to smile when I meet a Farang…………..

    • Tino Kuis says up

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      I totally agree with you. I often notice that foreigners look down on Thais in behavior and words, which I also find very annoying. I hope I spelled your name right!

    • Marco says up

      Hi Hamrat,

      You are absolutely right I have been married to my wife for five years now.
      I have been coming to Thailand since 2011 when I met her.
      What struck me even then was the often large age difference between Thai ladies and farang men.
      What I really hated was the lack of respect for the women and the cheap cheap charlie behavior of most farang men.
      I really wonder how the Thai feel about this, but of course it commands little respect if you see a man who could be the grandfather of his girlfriend / wife in terms of age, slapping her bottom.
      I always try to adapt to my surroundings and I must honestly say the more I visit Thailand the more I enjoy the people and the country.
      I also hope someday to master the language a bit.
      In any case, it is nice that you also share your opinion about foreigners in Thailand with your experience.
      This blog sometimes lacks a critical note with regard to the farang.

    • Jer says up

      So this is about a comparison between people from different countries and continents compared to the Thai. Look then I am not unworldly and I think that what many people think and think of Thais and Thailand and more what you describe that there are good and substantive reasons why people have a certain opinion or think something about something. I think the average Thai is unworldly and you can't exactly say that about travelers who travel the world. So one may have an opinion and in Thailand you are not allowed to express it and outside Thailand I understand from your argument.

  15. Jan Lokhoff says up

    Friend Hans, I am very much looking forward to your current version of this fine report. A lot has changed since your go-ahead premium, especially after you left BKK. Regards, Jan


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