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Home » Expats and retirees » Benefits from the Netherlands to Thailand may not be reduced
The Ministry of Social Affairs may not simply cut benefits when a Dutch person lives in Thailand or elsewhere abroad, writes De Telegraaf.
A judge has overruled this decision. The Netherlands is no longer allowed to reduce benefits for thirteen countries on the basis of the lower cost of living in the country of residence. These include people entitled to benefit who reside in Egypt, Thailand, Indonesia, South Africa and the Philippines.
From 1 April, benefit recipients in a number of countries will still receive full benefits, possibly with retroactive effect.
Inquiries by De Telegraaf at the Ministry of Social Affairs show that this concerns approximately 500 people, to whom the Ministry has now spent approximately one million euros extra on social benefits such as: child-related budget, child benefit, surviving dependant's scheme and disability benefit.
Source: www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/2058668/toeslagen-in-buitenland-niet-gekort
Justifiably,
If residing in Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan & et cetera where the cost of living is higher, there will certainly not be any higher benefits paid!
Justifiably,
If residing in; Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore & et cetera where the cost of living is higher, benefits were not increased either!
I don't really understand what this is about, I have been living in Thailand with my family for 10 years, pay taxes in the Netherlands but am not entitled to any benefit whatsoever, no child benefit, no child budget and my partner will soon not receive an ANW benefit either . That makes sense because I no longer pay national insurance contributions in the Netherlands.
But my question remains, who is still entitled to that?
If you indicate on the SVB site that you live in Thailand, the answer is that you are not entitled.
Who can explain this to me?
I live and work in Thailand while retaining benefits (WaJONG) and have been able to receive my full benefits here from the start, with (partial) deduction of salary. I absolutely cannot complain and therefore do not expect to receive an overdue amount from the UWV.
these are mainly people in Turkey and Morocco, special treaties with the Netherlands
People who have been rejected to work may take their benefits to Thailand for this purpose.
That's right, I brought my WIA benefit here, it hasn't been cut until now, even better, it's grossly transferred to my Thai bank account every month. I myself hate the word "rejected" this is called neatly incapacitated for work, .... a car that does not pass the inspection (MOT) is called rejected, not a person, my opinion.
Roy is right. In the 80s and 90s and earlier you were examined by an examining doctor after an invitation, these were official names. Nowadays you get an assessment and a physiological evaluation of your head and everything below it.
You can still apply for child benefit if you meet the Dutch conditions. Residence in the Netherlands is not a requirement. This applies to all benefits.
When you retire, you are entitled to full AOW and pension in Thailand like everyone else in the Netherlands
I also read it in the telegraph, but I do not fully understand who is entitled to child benefit, child budget or an ANW benefit in Thailand.
I pay tax in the Netherlands but no national insurance contributions and therefore, according to the SVB site, I am not entitled to it.
So my question is who is entitled to it?
Who are those 500 lucky ones who will receive an extra € 2000 every year on top of their reduced benefit?
Please explain further because I don't understand.
And you have made your contribution to that Netherlands for a long time. For a long time I thought if you leave the Netherlands and eventually emigrate, then saying goodbye to the Netherlands is final. Well, definitive is of course not entirely true, of course you know where to find the GOVERNMENT when it comes to taxes. Years of hard work, been entitled to state pension for a while and saved for a long time to have a decent pension. But every year I get the (we can't make it more fun) message in my DigiD that it's time to contribute to the Dutch economy. Scrape where they can also from ex-citizens who do not use the services from the Netherlands, who pay high costs in Thailand on average 400 euros per month to health insurance (nice Scrable word) or who are now on that basis due to previous medical interventions in the Netherlands. points is excluded for insurance, And what if you fall back on a hospital without insurance? You will SHAME on the government of the Netherlands, that is not how you should deal with Dutch people who now have a life abroad!
Quote: “… who do not use the services from the Netherlands”.
On the one hand, Yuundai wants to “say goodbye to the Netherlands”, does receive his AOW + pension, but then complains if the tax authorities want something in return, undoubtedly entirely in accordance with the applicable tax rates.
Quote: “Scrape where they can…”, but in the meantime Yuundai wants to get the most out of it.
Not all countries are mentioned.
is the whole list available?
This is what it's about:
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/uitkering-meenemen-naar-buitenland/woonlandbeginsel
Apparently the judge draws a line through it; chapeau for the go-getters!
And politicians will come up with something, you can count on that…
C'est la vie.
This is what it's about:
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/uitkering-meenemen-naar-buitenland/woonlandbeginsel
The country of residence principle is becoming obsolete. What the Netherlands does, collect premiums and taxes in euros and pay out in the worthless currencies of emigration countries. That is playing the merchant over the backs of the less fortunate
More than 40 years of maximum premium (independent) premium
old age pension paid. Due to my marriage to a non-Dutch woman + the fact that I am short of premium payments for a few years + living in an Asian country, I am being cut quite a bit.
This in contrast to our Turkish/Moroccan countries. fellow citizens who, thanks to a decision of State Sec. Aboutaleb, to win their votes, get their unpaid premium topped up for free.
For me this means a benefit of just 600–/pm So a very big fat pot.
And to think that Thailand is not an emigration country at all.
In contrast to countries such as Australia, Canada and NewZealand, among others. You actually only live here temporarily and you have to apply for an extension every year with the hope that you can stay another year.
Otherwise it is back to Schiphol , or am I seeing that wrong .
Jan Beute.
I think you should see it that way.
You emigrated from the Netherlands to Thailand, but did not immigrate to Thailand in Thailand.
RIGHTLY THAT THE NETHERLANDS HAVE TO PAY. It is according to international conventions. Too complicated to explain here. I myself have been litigating for 7 years. And expect the same statement about the deductions from AOW benefits in one or two months.
No, Jan Beute, you are not wrong. It is the NL government, or whoever is in charge of that, that sees this wrong. A government that robs its own citizens.
After a lifetime of hard work on the Dutch economy, and having contributed more than sufficiently to it, we are being cut in every way, including no longer allowed to participate in the health insurance fund.
After being a customer for more than 50 years, the ABNAMRO state bank also kicks it out itself.
The only thing we are allowed to participate in is to fill the state treasury , either obligatorily or voluntarily .
The letter from the Dutch tax authorities in which the following could be stated will never be sent .
Dear Mr.Beute
Our records have shown that you have been permanently residing abroad for a longer period of time.
Unfortunately , you can no longer pay tax here in the Netherlands .
We wish you a pleasant stay in Thailand .
Kind regards from the tax authorities.
Jan Beute.
Jan Beute, Thank you for this humorous view of yours. Had a refreshing laugh about it.
A judge has made this decision and for what it's worth of course. Doesn't mean that the Ministry of Social Affairs is satisfied with this. So a decision in the first instance and appeal is possible and will certainly be made. It is therefore doubtful whether payment will already be made on that basis. After all, the result of the appeal may turn out differently and possibly be nullified again. You should never count yourself rich with such things. Nothing is what it seems. By the way, I agree with this judge. Legal inequality no one is waiting for, right?
The judge has spoken. And the Government cannot appeal. Only those Persons who initiated the process have the right of appeal. The Telegraaf report has already passed that phase. The minister apparently no longer feels the need to oppose it, otherwise she would have opposed it with a letter to the House of Representatives with new arguments. The government has already done this in 2005, when it canceled the ULO 118 treaty, which stated that all benefits had to be paid in full. Then a whole craze arose again of those entitled to benefits who filed lawsuits about deductions. Once again, the judge now says that it is not permitted to cut benefits. But now on the basis of other international treaties that also prohibit this. This is just the beginning, because there are still about 100 countries where Dutch people live who are currently still receiving cuts in their benefits. Don't forget that the government earns big money from emigrants. Every emigrant, possibly with a partner, leaves behind an empty home, suitable for a starter, asylum seeker, refugee. The house is added to the housing stock for free. And the government says thank you but gives no compensation. In this way, the government receives billions of euros in the treasury that it would otherwise have to spend on investments for housing, which has been in short supply for years. According to the same treaties, she must provide former residents with minimal medical and elderly care. And neither does the government. There is more to say on this matter, but I will leave it at that.
I think that an appeal will be lodged by the ministry, because the motto remains to cut benefits as much as possible for this target group, residing abroad. Incidentally, I agree with the judge in this, after all, it is tested against the legal agreements. With our current policy (elected government) there will be a change in the law. So it will happen eventually I'm afraid.
It is sad how people deal with the AOW benefit………
I am not allowed to live in Th. I'm going big on the cons.
Ever since I started living with my wife, I have been married for two years now, I still have to “live” on a very modest state pension. In addition, I have to pay for her integration myself, through DUO.
I think everyone is familiar with “health insurance”. This must also be paid monthly!!
I am very happy with three wonderful children, who of course have their own families !!
But they won't let me gnaw on a piece of wood….
How bad are we, who in the 60s and 70s, worked hard to realize our wealth (nationally).
I am glad that our treasury had such a nice windfall……..
And what will happen with that????
LONG LIVE …………..(I don't remember either)
Greetings to everyone…….
John
AOW and pension can be paid from the Netherlands Gross to Thailand, if you ensure that you pay tax in Thailand from now on. If you look into this properly, you only have to pay 12% in Thailand.
There has been a treaty for this for years.