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Home » Expats and retirees » Dutch embassy » Remembrance Day May 4 at the Dutch embassy cannot take place
Remembrance Day May 4 at the Dutch embassy cannot take place
Posted in Expats and retirees, Dutch embassy, Dutch embassy, News from Thailand
Tags: Remembrance Day, WWII
Due to the ceremonies from May 4 to 6 around the coronation of HM King Maha Vajiralongkorn Bodindradebayavarangkun, the traditional May 4 commemoration at the embassy will not be able to take place.
On May 4, the Netherlands commemorates the Dutch victims of the Second World War and war situations and peacekeeping missions afterwards. It is also a tradition in Thailand to reflect on this on May 4 at the embassy compound, together with the Dutch community, the NVT, NTCC and SMEs.
Due to the coronation, it has been decided that the commemoration will not take place this year.
Source: Netherlands Worldwide
On May 4, I will be silent for 2 minutes, with all due respect to HM King Maha Vajiralongkorn Bodindradebayavarangkun, the Thai Royal Family and all Thais, I believe that the Dutch Embassy, in a small circle if necessary, should also reflect on our Dutch May 4 commemoration.
Another piece of Dutch identity thrown away.
In a word: disgrace
Shame on you for reacting like that, the explanation why is there because the ambassador must be there, he represents the Netherlands, so you too, he is working there for the Dutch in Thailand, so your comment is not appropriate.
Well, every Dutch person can observe the two minutes of silence themselves. Anywhere in the world.
So our fallen are not honored.
Many victims in Thailand too: think of the Burma railway.
Personally, I would have set other priorities.
They also had other options: fewer delegates to the coronation and private commemoration, or a shorter commemoration ceremony at the embassy.
Sad display.
The embassy will be inaccessible due to its location. All understanding for that. But not all Dutch people live in Bangkok. Other places are conceivable.
The many Dutch victims who have fallen at the hands of Japan are commemorated annually on August 15 in Kanchanburi. That also seems to me an appropriate time and place for cases in Southeast Asia. This year, therefore, all Dutch fallen could be commemorated on that day in August.
For many (myself included), Remembrance Day is not so much a tribute to the fallen of the Second World War as a form of protest, a moment of reflection on war and violence, in general and around the world.
I can therefore agree with the position of the embassy to skip the commemoration on May 4 for a year. The embassy is not there to monitor Dutch culture (among expats) in Thailand.
Absurd decision!
Had it celebrated in private (commemorated). Very strange decision by the embassy.
The Thai will also understand that such an important matter for the NL embassy must continue.
only one thing is important here, and that is us.
Too crazy for words that a Dutch government agency will not pay attention to a commemoration that is important in the Netherlands, actually just scandalous!!!!!
And crawling for the Thai royal family, puke, puke, puke.
This is really not possible, the king has a whole nation to honor him
But we have our fallen, what is more important
Unlucky coincidence this year. On May 4, I am flagging the Dutch flag at half-mast here in Thailand and my girlfriend knows the Dutch past and expressly wants the Thai flag to be flown at half-mast. Both in top on May 5. (Incidentally also with King's Day). We both value each other's origins very much. This year it would create a very special situation to hang the Dutch flag at half-mast and the Thai flag for the coronation of the Thai king. So on May 4th I just flag only the Thai flag. Out of respect for the cases, the NL tricolor does not go top.
My deep-rooted thoughts about “Those who fell” will not be any less. They will understand “up there” (or wherever/anyway).
Just an addition:
I see some very negative reactions. They touch me. Both my parents actively participated in the resistance during the war. Fortunately, they survived, but many did not in a gruesome manner. We owe today's free Netherlands to those who fell for it. May 4 was chosen in the Netherlands for their commemoration, precisely because that day precedes Liberation Day.
For years I have actively participated in the commemorations in the Netherlands. Now I live in Thailand and I still consider myself a guest here. That is why I have to respect Thai customs, without being required to agree or participate in them. In the Netherlands we also remember the “boys from overseas” who participated in our liberation and that is a good thing. These boys are not commemorated on May 4 in their own country, if they are commemorated nationally at all. The Dutch embassy in Bangkok is officially Dutch territory, but a public commemoration will also be visible outside it. In my opinion, this year you are detracting from respect for the country where you are a guest and that is exactly what the liberation in 1945 was all about.
I agree with Theiweert. You can observe that two minutes of silence yourself anywhere in the world. If you want you can also make the Wilhelmus sound and if you need it, you should do that too. When I see the commemoration on Dam Square, I see thousands of people who have thousands of different thoughts in those two minutes about perhaps millions of fallen people. You can even stop and remember on the crowded Thai market. It's about the intention.
If you want to use the word “outrageous”, I think that is much more applicable to the downgrading of Liberation Day over the last few decades in the Netherlands. Officially it is a national holiday, but it deserves a lot more than it is now.
I wish everyone a dignified commemoration of death.
I don't want to say too many more words.
Scandalous.
Another sign of the decay of the (Dutch) world.
The many victims should be remembered under all circumstances.
(anywhere in the world)
How many responders have traveled to Kanchanaburi in the past and to the embassy in the last few years?
Due to expected crowds from 4 May 2019, the embassy will also be very difficult to reach.
Everyone can travel privately to Kanchaburi or pay attention to this event in a small circle and hope that the war violence and attacks elsewhere in the world will also stop.
Lessons are still not learned from the past for the future!
I agree with Chris: the Dutch East Indies commemoration is held annually on August 15. On that day, a commemoration of death is held in The Hague and in Thailand in Kanchanaburi. That is enough.
The Dutch Commemoration of May 4 does not apply in Thailand, and I do not have to in Thailand either. Thailand has nothing to do with the German WW. Those who live in Thailand and who need it can commemorate in their own circle in their own way.
Liberation Day May 5 at the Embassy in Thailand, on the other hand, is fine, because it concerns world peace. Given the coronation festivities in the weekend of May 4-6 in Thailand, the fact that the Dutch Embassy in Thailand will not hold a commemoration of death in Thailand this year is the right decision. It is not wrong that in Thailand that weekend all attention is focused on the Coronation. Even though the Embassy had held a private memorial service on 4 May, this had not prevented the complainants from claiming otherwise.