TB Information letter 011/23: Belgian Embassy
Reporter: Lung Addy
Dear readers,
On March 2, 2023, a very interesting video conference took place between the Belgian Embassy and the interested participants. Questions could be asked, but you must register in advance for this. Various topics were discussed.
I strongly advise anyone who may not have received the newsletter to read it.
The report contains really good and very useful information.
Lung addie attended this conference and here is a list of the topics discussed:
TABLE OF CONTENTS
• Limited consular services for non-registered Belgians
• Closure of Belgian bank accounts of non-residents outside the EU
• How do you send electronic documents to the Embassy?
• Estate and wills
• Affidavit pension
• Social Security
• Pensions and life certificates
• Mobile kit
• Itsme
• Declaration of no income for the Belgian tax authorities
• Visa for Belgium
• Cultural program
• Communication with the Embassy
You can read the text of the report at the following link:
https://cdn.flxml.eu/r-aa77fc919c2e062ad652ed8a88f41c12ca0288466ef96f7d
You can watch the conference again at this link:
https://www.facebook.com/BelgiumInThailand/videos/859659865138398/
With appreciation to the Belgian embassy for this
wonderful initiative.
Note: “Reactions are very welcome on the subject, but limit yourself here to the subject of this “TB Immigration Infobrief. If you have other questions, if you would like to see a topic covered, or if you have information for the readers, you can always send it to the editors. Only use www.thailandblog.nl/contact/ for this. Thank you for your understanding and cooperation”.
Dear, has it also been explained why you can no longer go to the Austrian consulate in Pattaya to legalize your income?
I have difficulty walking, there it is 10 minutes by moped and 5 minutes inside and outside.
Now I am forced to go to the Belgian Embassy in Bangkok myself to hand over the relevant papers, and then I can wait about 6 days before I can come and get it, they also spoke of sending it back, but then they know not when it arrives.
All this costs me 2 times 2400 baht for a taxi and the 780 baht for their signature / stamp.
I would like to know why this is no longer allowed in the old way, it was so easy.
and don't tell me that I can send it, because this is not true if you are not deregistered in Belgium, then you have to bring it yourself first.
I also asked the lady at the counter, but she couldn't answer me.
Hoping for an understandable answer, thanks in advance.
Dear,
Where do you get it from that you MUST go to the embassy to legalize your income. It is very clear in their communication that you can arrange everything by mail.
And where does it say 6 days somewhere? They only ask for 4 days processing time, independent if you come to arrange this by mail or in person. By the way, those 4 days are for EVERY certificate you request from them.
And yes, unfortunately our embassy offers a 'full service' for those registered with them. By the way, I wonder why you have to have your income legalized if you have not been deregistered from Belgium. A bit strange right?
Dear Jan, never heard of that for a "retirement visa" or extension whatever you call it, you must be able to prove your income of 65.000 baht?
and I also found this : 4. If you are registered at the embassy you can, if you wish, arrange everything by post. If you are not registered, you have to bring it in yourself, but it will be sent back to your address, or you can pick it up yourself. A bit strange right?
Dear Jokeshake,
I will try to explain your 'idiosyncrasy' and explain to you why, as registered, it can be done entirely by post and, if not registered, you have to bring it yourself. In fact, there is nothing strange about that.
An affidvit is a 'declaration on honor'. In principle, the embassy only legalizes your signature. That has now changed a bit as they now also check the evidence.
There are always diplomatic administrative rules to be followed by the embassies.
For example, in normal circumstances, the applicant must sign the application for legalization 'in person and in the presence of a sworn official of the embassy'.
Registered Belgians have a 'COMPARE' of their signature. When registering, one must present the passport, which contains your signature, together with the Model 8 document and, one must also sign the registration documents. These documents are kept by the embassy. They therefore have a 'COMPARE' with which they can verify the signature appearing on a postal application from an affidavit.
They don't have that from a NOT registered. They normally have NOTHING from that person. How do you want them to be able to legalize a signature, which can be placed by anyone, if they don't even know what this signature should look like or who placed it? You happen to have had to deal with the embassy, if not registered, but that is from the year 2000 ago, so 22 years ago…..
I don't know, now with those corona vicissitudes, how they do with an unregistered by mail. 'Possibility' is that you will also have to send the passport with the documents? I don't know because I've never had anything like this on my plate as a question.
But this is the explanation why one person can or could not do it by post. .
As a non-resident you can send it by ems mail, enclose an envelope with your address on it and the money for the Affidavit. I did it myself in January this year and within a week I had it back. Send an e-mail to the embassy to obtain information.
For the Dutch Embassy (Visa support letter) cash money (I always did) is no longer possible since recently on their site. Only bank transfer of 50€.
That is not the case, "The fees amount to € 50 to be paid in cash in Thai Baht at the applicable exchange rate or € 50 by bank transfer" that is stated on the website of the Dutch embassy
Oh, I didn't describe it clearly. I meant to send cash in Thai Baht in the envelope together with the application documents. I always did until now. 2,000฿ and neat change back together with the visa support letter
Wasn't it a coincidence that this was about the BELGIAN embassy and not about the Dutch one. What does the Belgian reader benefit from the course of events at the Dutch embassy? Apparently the topic an entry is about is not important.
And if you want to arrange everything by email, it will cost you € 52, but you will save the explanation in the post office why you need a reply envelope.
By the way, you will receive the original by EMS
Punishment that it says this: 4. If you are registered at the embassy, you can, if you wish, arrange everything by post. If you are not registered, you have to bring it in yourself, but it will be sent back to your address, or you can pick it up yourself.
Due to COVID they have changed that.
You can also send it as not registered and I think they still apply that.
But you can get all the answers at the embassy.
This is the email address
Consular email address (assistance to Belgians, population service,…):
[email protected]
I have personally been there twice in 2 days, and you have to bring it personally, you don't have to pick it up, you can do it by post, I don't go to Bangkok twice for nothing, so where is the correct answer, at the counter at the Belgian Embassy or here?
“where is the correct answer, at the desk at the Belgian Embassy or here?” ask your
I think you wrote it in your first response "I also asked the lady at the desk the same way, but she couldn't answer me."
So I give you a solution where you can find the right answer.
The answer lies with Hilde Smits and she can be reached via that email.
She is not a desk clerk, but works on consular matters herself.
So take advantage of it… or you won't do anything with it. It will concern me.
Best:
1. Why another embassy or consulate did not legalize your administration should not be asked at the Belgian but at the embassy concerned.
2. If you actually live in Thailand but are still registered in Belgium, you are actually committing domicile fraud. You must then arrange your administrative matters in Belgium (including, for example, your travel pass if it expires.
So you can be thankful that they still want to legalize your mess, even if you have to go to Bangkok for it.
In fact, the embassy should not provide any services if you are not registered with them. This registration costs you nothing and only offers benefits.
In fact, our embassy functions as a 'replacement town hall'. And as long as you are not known to them, they should refuse any cooperation.
That's also a joke, I've never been registered at the embassy and yet I had to go there in 2000 to get married.
Just a piece of information (if the moderator allows me to add some humor and a question): the name Belgium or Belgica en Belgae dates from the time of Julius Caesar and refers to the Gallic "belgen", which means to swell, to make oneself angry, being touchy means. Hence the expression “to be resentful”. Allee Joske, now say for yourself: does your 'Belse' character play tricks on you?
@Lodewijck, who are you to accuse me of something you know nothing about? First. I asked it at the Austrian Consulate and they say, now banned by the Belgian Embassy. Second, how can you accuse me of domicile fraud? Never heard of that you can leave Belgium for 6 months? Third, who says I officially live in Thailand? 4th, keep your fabrications to yourself, you make yourself look ridiculous, it's bullshit what you write, so stop with that crap. My junk is legal, yours too?
Dear Joskeshake,
you don't have to react so bitterly. The fact that you get such reactions stems from the fact that you do not provide the necessary information yourself. It is not clear from your first reaction whether you live here permanently or temporarily. Due to the fact that you want to legalize an affidavit, it is logical that you go for a year extension of a NON-O visa, which is why permanent residence is decided.
We, both Ronny and I now, have to deal with this very regularly when answering file questions. Often we have to 'guess' due to lack of information, which then leads to wrong answers. We are not psychics either.
The information letter clearly states that the embassy only provides very limited services to 'Belgians not registered with the embassy'. There they only lend assistance in EMERGENCIES and, an affidavit, is not an emergency.
Regarding the Austrian consulate: by the way, I always found it strange that, with its own embassy, present in Thailand, another, non-Belgian consulate could do this. This was only possible because, and in principle this is still the case: with an affidavit the legalization only refers to the 'signature' of the submitter, nothing more nothing less. Not its contents.
Meanwhile, and this because of the many abuses, Thailand has made the conditions of acceptance of an affidavit much stricter. They now also demand that the contents of the affidavit be verified by means of EVIDENCE submitted. The Belgian embassy has agreed to this and is committed to doing so, which the embassy is doing. In case of doubt about the authenticity and correctness of the documents submitted, the Belgian embassy has access to the national Belgian services, which the Austrian Consul does NOT have. To avoid that the 'registered' Belgians would also lose the possibility to appeal to an affidavit, they have taken those measures and given the GUIDELINE, not the PROHIBITION, that only THEY legalize the affidavit if it is to be really valid. Even though the stamp on the affidavit states that they are only responsible for the signature, without the necessary proof, the Belgian embassy will NOT legalize the affidavit.
I can only give you 1 piece of advice:
if the embassy does not want to process your affidavit, or if, due to your mobility problems, you find it too expensive to pay 2 times 2400 THB and 780 THB, you still have the option to,
if married to a Thai person, put 400.000THB into a Thai account or, if unmarried, 800.000THB. Then you just have to go to the bank. You will therefore not have to wait 6 days, but you will receive it immediately and, with 1 ride, you can immediately drive to immigration for your annual extension.
Dear Lung Addie,
are you surprised that I come across as bitter? I ask an ordinary question and I immediately get alleged accusations of domicile fraud thrown at my head, if one does not know one should not assume, but ask point blank, and "my mess" as good Lodewijck calls it are all legal papers, instead of putting me in my place, better deal with that person who writes this without thinking. Just for your information, I have to go to Belgium every 6 months for medical examinations (checkups) so it is easy to have a retirement visa, a re-entry every time and that's it. It was the first time for me to ask a question here and it will be the last time, with those answers that had nothing to do with the question at all, salut and all the best.
I'm a little afraid you're not the right person to put Lung Addie in his place.
Addie has been a respected member of our blog for many years. He manages a number of files and is perfectly aware of all rules and laws regarding immigration to deregistration from your home country.
He will always jump into the breach to help someone out of need. He always does his utmost to provide us with the right information in case of problems. But as he says himself, he does not always have the correct and complete data. And that is where many questioners go wrong.
You can't hold him responsible for something Lodewijk posted. The logic escapes me here.
Maybe you should have a little more respect for people like Addie. Answers like “goodbye and best” don't exactly come across as friendly.
I understand that you are frustrated about what is happening to you in our embassy, but unfortunately you will not be able to change anything about their operation. And oh God, I somehow don't understand why all this commotion... waiting 4 days for a certificate for someone who comes here to taste the quiet life.
Dear Joskeshake,
Keeping calm is the message here, why the outspoken reaction?
I must admit, when I read your response (that you live in Thailand without being deregistered from Belgium), I immediately thought of domicile fraud. Lodewijk does have a point.
You're only telling half your story and accusing us of reacting to something we know nothing about. Maybe you should be a little clearer then. By the way, I don't read anywhere that you stay in each country for six months, you only come up with that now.
If you don't officially live in Thailand, why do you even need proof of income? That's what I'm curious about. And you're not averse to that at our embassy. I have used their services many times and have never had any comment. I therefore have no understanding for you coming here to complain because you have to wait 4 days for your certificate.
Also your comment that you have to pay 2 x 2400 THB for your taxi, we don't care about that. We cannot do anything about it if you choose to travel by taxi.
I think you've come here to take out your frustrations. The fact that the Austrian consulate no longer wants to help us is of course (for everyone) a pity. No blogger will be able to change this.
You ask for an intelligible answer, an answer to what? If the embassy staff cannot answer, what do you expect from us?
Have a nice day ahead.
Can you point out where I lashed out at the Belgian Embassy? Or do you think it's normal that putting a stamp takes 4 days?
And that you don't have a message that I have to spend almost 5000 baht instead of 1600 baht, you think that's all normal.
And proof of income is required at immigration. And no, I don't have 800.000 baht left in the bank, I spent it on something more useful.
I expected a reasonable answer from you, because the young lady at the desk didn't know either, she is doing an internship there and then I understand that she cannot know everything, she speaks perfect Dutch and Thai.
At least I've learned my lesson, that I will never ask anything here again, with all those trivial answers. regards.
joke shake,
Maybe you should take a deep breath.
It is perfectly normal that the delivery of a certificate takes 4 working days. Or do you think that the embassy staff is waiting for someone to register at the counter?
The counter clerk is the first link in the chain. Subsequently, the information provided to them is checked (in many cases with a verification in Belgium) and the last step is the stamp and signature of the consul.
The consul is not present all day, has numerous meetings and other obligations. Signing certificates is only a small part of his/her day job.
Just assuming that they will blindly put a stamp at the counter, then you have no idea what the task of an embassy entails. There is fraud on all sides, so it is only normal that, before issuing a certificate, one also carefully monitors its correctness, and that simply takes time.
Unfortunately, what you think is normal does not correspond to reality and you will have to live with that. I hope you can reconcile yourself with the explanation, at least I did my best.
Another piece of news, although again many will know better, when I handed in all the papers at Immigration Jomtien, I was asked for papers from the bank? Never experienced it, always proof of income with supporting documents, so now I first had to go home, get a booklet, then back to Pattaya Thai Kasikorn, there just an extract from the bank, "on which no 800.000 baht" and then back Immi, to my question why, because I couldn't find anything about it on the immi site, I got the answer, is just new. 55, amount on booklet must be at least 50.000 baht, they say. Nice day again. regards.
“although again many will know better”
This blog has many visitors, a lot of information can be gathered here and people can ask all kinds of questions here.
The editors of our blog are very 'open minded', as long as one remains correct and courteous, much is tolerated here.
Yet, the way you answer some here is anything but friendly. I have a lot of respect for our bloggers (after all, we are all one big Thai family) but I wouldn't be surprised if your tone continues like this, people won't want to help you any further.
Unfortunately you persist in the anger, very unfortunate, kindness opens many doors and makes it even more pleasant for all of us.
Must indeed be new to Jomtien and first I hear of it. Still of those 50 Baht.
But the next step may be to prove your income each month with actual deposits.
Some immigration offices are already there.
Dear Joske.
As a Dutchman I do not want to get involved in this discussion.
The communication concerned the Embassy of the Kingdom of Belgium in Bangkok.
You know how to spin it so that everything that is not going well with you (whether it is the embassy or the Austrian consul or the immigration service in Jomtien is only the other person's fault.
But I'm sure these people (including the immigration officers) are only there to help you.
However, there is a saying in the Netherlands.
You will be treated as you treat people.
And that is possible, as many of my expat colleagues know, is already “the way of presenting the papers” and even the way of entering the room where you need to be.
“Forgetting” a “wai” can already mean that you behave like a “superior”.
And given all the problems you're experiencing I would wonder isn't this just me????
You are here as a guest and you are also a guest in your embassy. Please behave as a guest.
“With syrup one catches flies” is also an expression that applies to us “Ollanders”.
Take advantage of it.
Groet
Janderk
Dear Janderk,
“Syrup catches flies”
We also know that proverb in Belgium, but it is a bit different:
“with vinegar from you no flies”…. comes down to the same thing.
Haha Addie,
But you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar 😉
The problem with your original story is that you set off a lot of alarm lights.
I'm not claiming you're doing anything illegal, but there are several warning signs that maybe a little more scrutiny needs to be done.
Take, for example, use the Austrian consulate.
For proof of income, according to Thai immigration law, this proof must be supported by a document from the embassy of the country of origin. At your place, the Belgian embassy.
Immigration Pattaya had/has a good cooperation with the Austrian Consulate, there was even an Immigration clerk “working” at the consulate, and Immigration Pattaya accepted the documents from the Austrian Consul.
But this was a loophole, mostly used by people who don't have enough income and knowing that the Austrian consulate has no means of control. The Austrian consul cannot just ask the Belgian tax authorities what the level of your income is. (The same for the Belgian).
Immigration Pattaya then used the gray zone: Austria is Europe, Belgium is Europe, they'll just accept it.
But due to multiple corruption scandals in Thai immigration, the regulations have become more and more strict. The Austrian consul is now also asking for supporting documents, but still, one cannot/may not check that. So everyone knows, still prone to fraud.
The Belgian embassy has not specifically ensured that you are no longer allowed to use the Austrian consulate, but has answered in good conscience to the question, Belgians are not residents of Austria and there is no European foreign policy yet. And immigration Thailand has applied the legislation better.
But alarm light 1 has been activated: You are using the Austrian consulate.
You also indicate that you are not registered at the embassy or that you did not register yourself at the embassy on your arrival. Registration and registration is not required. But registering is useful in case of emergencies so that the embassy knows that you are staying in Thailand and can provide assistance in case of disasters / emergencies.
(Registering is not the same as registering, a registered person has the same advantages as a registered person, but receives additional consular support, the same as a Belgian town hall)
Alarm light 2 has been activated: even with a long stay in Thailand you do not register yourself. You pretend that the embassy is not allowed to know when you arrive in Thailand and when you leave.
Alarm light 2 is then further reinforced by your report that you will be staying in Thailand for 6 months and in Belgium for 6 months. That can be interesting for the Belgian tax authorities to check where you are staying, is there hidden property somewhere, do you have an income in Thailand, have you declared your foreign bank accounts? Are you married in Thailand without reporting it to Belgium? Have you set up a company in Thailand?
The Belgian taxes will not fall on this if you exceptionally do 6 months in Belgium and 6 months in Thailand. But if that's your "life story," you do it year in, year out, it can raise questions.
Belgians who officially reside in Thailand are registered for Belgian tax purposes as “Non-resident”, and if they declare that there is no income in Thailand, they must regularly prove that there is no income in Thailand.
By now talking about periods just under 6 months at a time, you don't have to apply for a Tax Identification number to prove that there is no Thai income. Nice coincidence or good advice. (You must stay more than 180 days in Thailand TIN.
And this is alarm light 3.
Alarm light 4 is your reaction why you cannot go to Bangkok: you have difficulty walking and it is much too expensive for you.
Difficulty walking is again contradictory that you can make Pattaya - Bangkok - Stopover - Belgium and back every 6 months, but not once a year Pattaya - Bangkok for a visit to the embassy.
A good solution for your journey and return journey to/from Belgium is Business class with medical assistance.
But then alarm bell number 5, if you are already complaining about the price of a taxi Pattaya – Bangkok – Pattya that it is way too expensive for you, it is unlikely that you would pay extra for a medically escorted bussiness class flight. (but always possible)
You will probably travel in economy class, without medical supervision.
But as a government I would still check how you do Pattaya - Bangkok - Stopover - Belgium and Belgium - Stopover - Bangkok - Pattaya. (Or if U-Tapao offers international flights, replace BKK with UTP)
Alarm light 6: If you are officially difficult to walk, you can always ask that an embassy employee come to you. But since you don't, walking difficulties may just be an excuse. Ditto for Thai immigration, if you are officially medically unfit to go to them, they will come to you.
Alarm light number 7: If you stay in Thailand for 6 months every time and don't have a single friend or acquaintance who can take you to Bangkok for the price of fuel, toll and compensation for snacks and drinks for your friend / acquaintance, there is something wrong with your social life. Why would you stay in Thailand for long periods without a single good friend?
These are pretty much the hazard lights that went off right at me.
Once more to be clear, hazard lights are not proof, they just require additional explanation.
Maybe you just happen to turn on all those lights and have a wonderful explanation for everything.
And with your last message you set alarm light 8 to ring that there must be 50 THB in your account.
If you indicate that your income in Thailand is at least 65 000 per month, why don't you have 50 000 in your Thai account? Officially you declare, every month at least 65 000 income in Thailand with proof, an affidavit.
For me it is normal that if there are many alarm lights the immigration officer indicates, show me that income on your Thai bank. Be glad they don't ask for an annual statement.
Dear Bloggers,
I find it sad, very sad that a great topic, started by our friend Lung Addie, is killed by someone who comes here to tell half a story and then blames everyone for not getting proper answers.
The essence of this topic disappears completely into the background. Perhaps we should ignore the person in question for a while and focus on the real content of this topic, namely the video conference of the Belgian embassy.
The information from the embassy contains many useful tips that may be of interest to us. This was also the reason why this topic was created.
I sincerely hope that this kind of situation does not happen again and again. This does not improve the quality of our blog. I always enjoy all the useful information we can find here. But now, as for this time, I am sadly disappointed. Better luck next time?
Well, you are right Dirk, but the friendliness must also come from both sides. I've only been looking at this Blog for a relatively short time, but I notice that there are quite a few 'males'.
I posted the story below and received comments, whether or not rightly so because I think there are also many Dutch people watching, but well, maybe I was wrong.
But then you get such a closing sentence with a sarcastic undertone.
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Pjotter quits
20 March 2023 at 12: 06
Oh, I didn't describe it clearly. I meant to send cash in Thai Baht in the envelope together with the application documents. I always did until now. 2,000฿ and neat change back together with the visa support letter
Lung addie quits
21 March 2023 at 01: 56
Wasn't it a coincidence that this was about the BELGIAN embassy and not about the Dutch one. What does the Belgian reader benefit from the course of events at the Dutch embassy?
“Apparently THE TOPIC THIS IS ABOUT IS NOT IMPORTANT.”
Dear Berry,
I also stay in Thailand every 6 months, just the same as, “Joskehake”
that lights up a lot of lights according to you!
I am also “difficult to walk” as you call it!
Where do you get the idea that a disabled person has to fly business class to get assistance on a flight from Brussels to Bangkok.!?
I have been flying to Bangkok every 15 months for 6 years with Etihad or Qatar and that is with a stopover.!!
Never bought a business class ticket before, always the lowest price with economy class.!
I always get Assistance to guide me in a Wheelchair, from the check-in counter to the gate and also at the stopovers and on my return flight.!!
That costs NOTHING Extra.!!
There is nothing to a stay of 6 months in Belgium and 6 months in Thailand, for a light to burn.!
As long as you follow the rules and inform the municipal authorities in your place of residence in Belgium, you can even stay in Thailand for a year, if you have reported it to the population service.!
The reason that I am not staying permanently in Thailand also has a medical reason.
I need 6 kinds of medication daily and every 6 months I also have to check up with a condition in my eyes.
The fact that I am no longer well on my feet is due to osteoarthritis in my joints, I have had problems there for more than 20 years.
I understand Joskeshake very well, in the way that he is immediately labeled as a Fraudster here on the forum because he is staying in Thailand for 6 months and asks for an answer about the video call by the Embassy, because that is how this all started.!
If everyone swept in front of their own door this wouldn't happen!!
Another nice example of someone who comes to complain with his own story and that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
That Joskehake and yourself have medical problems may be good, but this is about the video conference of the Belgian embassy. Let's stick with that.
If you want to expand on your personal situation, that's your right, but start your own topic. Coming here to stir things up and then blaming the other members is asking for trouble.
You should ask yourself why many Belgians and Dutch people immediately think of “fraud” when reading Joske's story.
Staying in Thailand for 6 months doesn't set many alarm lights on! It is a combination of several points in his story that raise questions.
Specifically for “Joske” I mentioned a few points in his story on which this can be done:
Alarm light 1: Use the Austrian consulate as a Belgian
Alarm light 2: If you stay in Thailand for a long period of several months, do not register at the embassy (Do not register)
Alarm light 3: Staying in Thailand for periods of less than 180 days/6 months year after year
Alarm light 4: Explain that it is medically almost impossible to go from Pattaya to Bangkok if you can do Pattaya - Bangkok - Stopover - Belgium and back Belgium - Stopover - Bangkok - Pattaya every 6 months.
Alarm light 5: The explanation that the financial costs to go to Bangkok by taxi are much too high, while plane tickets can be booked every 6 months. (If you declare at immigration that you have a minimum income of THB 65 000 per month in Thailand.)
Alarm light 6: In combination of 4 and 5, Is there a medical need, the embassy and immigration come to you. If you do not request this, there will probably be no medical necessity.
Alarm light 7: If it is medically necessary and you do not have the financial means for a taxi, why are there no friends or acquaintances who will take you to Bangkok for a minimal fee or simply for free as a friend. (Why do you have to use a taxi?) What do you do every 6 months in Thailand if you have no friends or acquaintances?
And then alarm light 8: If you declare through an affidavit or document from the Austrian consulate that you have a minimum income of THB 65 per month in Thailand every month, why get angry when immigration asks to see THB 000 once a month in your bank account?
I list possible problem points in his story and indicate why immigration or the embassy can act in this way.
I even state clearly several times, they are alarm lights, no evidence of fraud and / or abuse.
But in your opinion I should not do diet, because somewhere there will be a Belgian or Dutchman who also does 6 months and everything completely according to the rules.
Sweeping everyone in front of their own door is precisely the reason why many Belgian and Dutch criminals were able to find refuge in Thailand.
If we meet a Dutch or Belgian in Thailand and learn that there is a criminal investigation into this person in Belgium, the Netherlands or Thailand, we quickly cover it with the cloak of love because it is a compatriot in Thailand. Not for me to judge this person, leave that to justice or as you say sweep your own door.
And if this person is then arrested or killed in Amsterdam, you suddenly get the reaction “Wir haben es nicht gewußt” where everyone knew very clearly what was going on.
Same for your situation, I know several Belgians here in the region who have the status of incapacitated for work due to disability, with an official address in Belgium, usually with family or friends, but still live "illegally" in Thailand waiting for their retirement. They then go back to Belgium once a year.
It is the people who abuse the system that ensure that official authorities have to carry out more and more checks. You cannot ignore the actions of such people today with the statement “Sweep in front of your own door” and then come and complain that due to the actions of these people more and more checks are being carried out.
berry,
I agree with you all along the line.
A lot of loopholes are abused and then come and complain that they get the lid on the nose at the official authorities.
The story they are talking about is full of contradictions. They are then surprised that the members offer some resistance and at the end of the ride we are scolded for not answering them adequately. Punishment though.
The instigator on duty told us that “it was the last time he comes here to ask a question”, well I hope he keeps his word. Some words are exchanged here regularly, but this topic takes the cake.