Report: Yan
Subject: Immigration Maptaphut (Rayong)
Yesterday I was at Immigration in Maptaphut (Rayong) where I asked an officer present to provide me with information about extending a retirement visa, here's the story.
The officer took a folder with the instructions and gave the following 3 options;
- The extension based on the existing 800.000.-Thb in the account the amount must be in the account here 3 months before applying for the extension and 3 months after obtaining the extension. The account should never go below 400.000.-Thb and she told me that this will be checked with a 1 year reversal.
- The extension based on a monthly income of at least 65.000.-Thb. This amount must be demonstrably transferred every month from a foreign to a Thai account.
- The combination method: income below 65.000.-Thb and money in the account. It is not enough to just submit an “affidavit” from the embassy stating the “income”, but the amount must also be transferred to the Thai account monthly. In addition to the amount, a separate account must also be submitted, this may be a “fixed account” with an amount that, added together with the annual income, also guarantees the 800.000.-Thb.
She advised me to take the amount even higher because, when there are fluctuations in currency, one may not reach 800.000.- Thb and then the right to obtain a visa extension expires. She also stated that checks will be carried out each time going back 1 year.
In addition, when submitting the bank book, a certificate from the bank of the same day as the request is made must also be presented.
To the extent that
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Thank you for the notification.
1. According to the new rules, it is 2 months before the application.
2. That is normally the fourth method under the new rules. Monthly deposits from abroad of at least 65 Baht. You do not need to present a Visa Support Letter or similar.
3. According to the rules, a Visa Support Letter or similar must be sufficient in the combination method as far as the income portion is concerned. Actual deposits should not.
I also do not see any information with the combination method, whether or not the bank amount may be used in part after three months and how long the bank amount must be on it for the application?
4. The Visa Support Letter or equivalent as proof of income of at least 65 Baht is apparently not accepted. Is not according to the applicable rules. That is the purpose of such a Visa Support Letter or similar.
5. Apparently people only check when applying for a subsequent annual extension. Can be done perfectly. Nowhere does it state when to check or how often.
And so you see that everyone applies the new rules as they see fit. It's always been that way. That is why it is advisable, especially in the case of new rules, to inquire about the applicable rules at your immigration office. Just like you did. That way you know where you stand.
For your information. It is an extension of your period of stay based on “Retirement”….. no “Retirement visa” 😉
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RonnyLatYa
Always interesting to read of an experience.
Unfortunately, this is more and more just this : a personal experience,
with a certain officer,
at a particular Immigration office,
on at a specific time.
Sorry, but it's completely correct.
At the beginning of May I did my 90 day report in Immigration Korat. Afterwards, I went to the other building to inquire about extending my stay for 1 year. It was very busy. I inquired of an immigration officer who was supervising a group of 7 people who were busy filling out papers. She referred me to another colleague in the room who had to check the completed forms afterwards. He sent me back to the first servant. I was also not allowed to have direct contact with the officials at the counter. Understandable given the crowds.
I left it at that and went back.
It would be ideal if every office applied the rules in the same way, then there would be no uncertainties. Or when the requirements were clearly explained on the website of the immigration office.
I only have an AOW income
and try to stay above the 1 euro balance at the end of the month
I have no insurance - no reserves
pay a low house rent and don't need much, fruit enough
friends help me with 400.000 baht three months before the application
this supplemented by the annual 550.000 baht
is here sufficient for my retired visa
I have lived here since 1999 and am in my 83rd year.
when I do not (therefore) meet the new requirements
I am apparently being expelled
Where should I go
can people in the Netherlands live exclusively on the state pension.=
inguinal hernia surgery this year
was paid by close friends (24.000 baht)
Has anyone had any experience with eviction?
so panic, maybe just look for a high (teak0) tree?
Dear Cees! I (live in NL, live mainly on state pension) have no experience with deportation Thailand, but I do live on state pension in NL. To live only on state pension, you must not have any other fixed costs, such as a mortgage/rental home. Only then will you be able to live off your state pension alone. In all other cases you will also have to apply for assistance, housing benefit, allowances, etc. If you don't have any possessions, it will work, but it will take time. So try to prepare your return in good time. Perhaps the embassy in BKK can give you advice.
I come to Ban Phe, Rayong every year, so if you have more questions, you can email me and/or visit me in Ban Phe.
Good luck and best regards, Haki
Dear Cees,
If you want to return to the Netherlands and continue to live alone and independently, you can still manage with an AOW benefit.
Then I would advise you the following:
– First determine in which municipality you want to live.
– register NOW with the housing associations of that municipality.
Suppose you want to live in Rotterdam, Hoogvliet, Spijkenisse, Maassluis, Hellevoetsluis, Hoek van Holland, Barendrecht or Schiedam, then register for this at WOONNET RIJNMOND.
The same story also applies to Amsterdam and its immediate surroundings. Also for Almere and immediate surroundings, Utrecht and immediate surroundings, Den Bosch and immediate surroundings, etc..
For Amsterdam and the immediate vicinity, you must register with Woningnet Regio Amsterdam.
For Almere and the immediate vicinity, you must register with Woningnet Almere.
For Utecht that will be Housing Network Region Utecht.
This way you can register for a home with all housing corporations throughout the Netherlands.
You only have to pay a registration fee for each registration. That is an average of € 30 per YEAR.
By the way, you don't have to wear anything for the Rotterdam Act. Not even from the binding requirement of other municipalities.
A pensioner may live anywhere in the Netherlands.
With the housing requirements, you naturally choose senior housing with a basic rent of up to € 620 per month, in connection with housing benefit. And you are 100% eligible for this, provided you live alone (so you are not a home sharer).
And if you are eligible for rent subsidy, you are also eligible for healthcare allowance.
Rent allowance + Healthcare allowance can in your situation together amount to € 400 per month.
Wasn't that included?
Just a few more important notes.
From 2015, people must have an indication to be eligible for care.
There are 2 types of indications.
WMO indication is provided by the municipality where you live.
WLZ indication is provided by the national government.
Everything about WMO can be found here:
https://www.regelhulp.nl/ik-heb-hulp-nodig/wet-maatschappelijke-ondersteuning-wmo
Everything about WLZ can be found here:
https://www.ciz.nl/
I wish you the best of luck.
Chander
Chander, what's that wild cry from you? “…From 2015, people must have an indication to be eligible for care….”
As soon as you register in the Netherlands, you must take out a healthcare policy with one of the many providers in the Netherlands. This is subject to a premium over your income, a premium per month and an excess of currently a maximum of 385 euros. Once you have proof of insurance you can see a doctor, get medication, specialist treatment and hospitalization. You are then insured!
WMO and WLZ are for other matters than ordinary care. There are conditions attached to this, but not to normal care. So please don't mislead people in this blog.
I forgot to mention my email address in my response (see above): [email protected]
Is it the case that for Rayong you do not need an affadit or do you have to be able to demonstrate this?
I have read more often on this blog that in addition to the affadit, one must also be able to demonstrate the deposits to a Thai account at some immigration offices.
Do you have to have two accounts in the case of the combination method? One with the fixed amount and one with the monthly deposits?
In my case, the amount on the affadit (visa support letter) and the real monthly deposit are not equal because I still have to pay part of my income in the Netherlands. I do get my combination total of Baht 800.00, - but I wonder if people make a fuss about it if they ask for proof of monthly deposits.
Can I possibly indicate this to the embassy so that they adjust my income downwards so that the actual amount that I deposit each month corresponds to the amount of income I have.
Dear George,
in fact, if you use an affidavit or letter of support, you shouldn't need to prove monthly deposits. If so, you can solve this easily:
if you have two different sources of income, eg AOW + a pension, then you only give the income from AOW as income to the embassy. Nothing obliges you to report your full income to the embassy. The embassy will then issue a letter of support with only the amount of the state pension as income. What you are short of in the letter of support, you supplement with bank credit. Immigration, if they still want to see monthly deposits, can only ask you to deposit the amount from your letter of support.
Dear Addie
First of all, thanks for thinking along, unfortunately not the right solution for me.
I also don't think one has to prove monthly deposits here in Phetchaburi.
But I think ahead just in case, if, if etc…etc.
The annoying thing is that as in Rayong, as indicated above, this is the case. And I have read it more often here on thailandblog.
I would then have to transfer my total to a Thai account and then have to transfer part back to my Dutch account with all additional costs of course.
Well, I have to go to the embassy on 11-07 for my visa support letter and will ask there.
regards George
In case your immigration office wants to see an actual deposit, only the actual amount deposited will count and not what is on the visa support letter.
The visa support letter then only counts as proof that you have an income from abroad.
The amount that you actually transfer does not have to correspond to what your actual income is.
If you have roughly 90 Baht (AOW + pension) in total income, then you do not have to transfer that 000 Baht monthly if you do not want to. Only the 90 000 Baht needed to meet the requirements of a “Retired”.
If you use the combination method and you have an income of roughly 60 Baht, then you do not have to transfer that 000 Baht in full if you do not want to.
For example, it is best to transfer 40 Baht effectively and the calculation will then be made. You will then have to match the rest with a bank amount.
In that case it will then be 40 000 x 12 = 480 000. You will then have to supplement 320 000 Baht with a bank amount.
As for the bank account. Can all be on the same account. Don't have to be separated
As for a statement of income. (visa support letter, or the proof of income from the Austrian consul, etc.. )
That only explains what your income is.
They therefore do not explain whether or not you meet the income requirement.
Only immigration decides whether or not that amount is sufficient.
george
Last week I was 2 x at Immigration in Rayong, because the information I received the 1st x was not entirely correct according to Ronny (rightful comment from Ronny). So I went back and after talking for over an hour the result for the combi method was as follows:
An affidavit from the embassy for the pension, together with an account (may be a fixed account) which must be opened at least 2 months before the application, the account must be the supplement of the pension in order to exceed 800.000.-Thb . No proof of monthly deposit should then be provided.
Please note, if you use the same account that you previously used with 800.000.-Thb as a deposit, you may not go below 400.000.-Thb with this account; it is therefore more interesting to open a new account as described above.
Best regards,
Yan