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Dossier: 'Deregistration for Belgians'
A few years ago, Lung addie wrote a 'Dossier for Belgians', which is intended for Belgians who move to Thailand. This file has recently been updated and expanded.
All important topics are discussed and described in detail. As a result, there is an important tool for all Belgians who struggle with the many rules. Lung addie sorted it out and wrote it down in understandable language. In short, an indispensable reference work.
Among other things, you can read about:
- Unsubscribing in Belgium
- pension service
- Health insurance fund
- Banking
- Register at the Belgian embassy in Thailand
- Etc
The file therefore contains 15 pages with interesting information for Belgian citizens.
Lung addie recently expanded the file with information about applying for a widow's pension for a Thai wife of a Belgian who died in Thailand.
The editors of Thailandblog hereby thank Lung addy for the hard work he has put into it and we hope to be of service to our Belgian readers and friends.
Who has the file available to you as a PDF, so that you can also easily print and save it:
Wonderful initiative!
Thanks Lung addie.
Super initiative. Is such a file also available for the wife of a deceased Belgian in Thailand?
What and how to report the death to the Belgian and Thai banks, who to write to the pension service and how, ditto tax authorities and embassy. Is cremation possible within a few days or is an autopsy required? What if you want to be buried in Belgium? Can the will be executed immediately, or do you have to go to court or is there a waiting period? Etc etc. There are certainly still elements that are discussed that I overlook. There is so much to arrange within the few days after the death with authorities that do not speak the (Thai / English) language, that it would make you despondent as a Thai widow. With a complete script of how to act, she would be one step further. And probably many of us are relieved, because not everyone is versed in that serious matter.
Dear Hans,
there is certainly a record of death in Thailand. If you scroll all the way to the left of the main page you will find the existing files. You can also do it via the search above left. In my file I only deal with how the widow can apply for a pension. As far as the other formalities in case of death are concerned, you can go to that specific 'death in Thailand file'. If you have any questions about this, you can contact the editors. The editors will then forward your question to the relevant file manager.
I think I've read most of the files, but what I'm missing is a scenario or step-by-step plan for my wife in the event of a death. I hope I didn't overlook it, if not my apologies. Like from Step 1 email the embassy on that number with the following message…. And then step 2 email your bank stating that ...... and then step 3 go to your notary/lawyer and report or ask ...... step 4 : do this and that in this way so that you obtain the following ...... and then the following steps which she has to put, such as the tax authorities and what to expect and do you still have to file a declaration in the event of the death of your survivor's pension and how does that work with a Thai who does not speak the language and knows nothing about taxes. Etc etc etc. It can never be detailed enough and everything can be found in 1 file. This was actually my question. And again, sorry if this complete file is already there.
As a layman in this matter, it is useful if people in the field illustrate their expertise. I hope there is nothing wrong with my question. People like Ronny LatYa or Dr Maarten or Lung Addie like to help people with their expertise. Perhaps there is also a white raven here who can share his knowledge with the average expat.
Dear Hans,
You may have read the old file and this topic was not covered there. In the new version, now bundled and published as a dossier, this subject has indeed been treated step by step. It is a pity that I have to conclude that the links to the dossier do not work, whether you click here, at the bottom of the announcement or in the sidebar at 'unsubscribe', nothing happens…. I have informed the editors of this fact and hopefully this shortcoming will soon be resolved so that readers will have access to the new file. Please be patient and try again later.
I can already tell you: if the deceased was registered with the embassy, the embassy will be informed of the death, either by the hospital, the police... The embassy will pass this on to the Belgian authorities and his death will be registered in the national register included. But it stops here, the other services must be contacted by the interested party himself.
The argument that you state as: not knowing the language, not knowing about the Belgian administration….. is very justified and even applicable in most cases. By the way, this is the reason why I specifically added this chapter to the file, although it has nothing to do with unwriting per se. Incidentally, I did this because, personally, I acted as an 'intermediary' in two such files. I then realized the need for proper information from the readers of TB.
My clear advice in this topic is: hire an intermediary, otherwise the widow will never get it out….. The point here is that, unlike someone who lives in Belgium and dies, the widow's pension is automatically arranged is becoming. If unsubscribed, this is NOT the case and must be REQUESTED. You have 1 year for that….. after this year, however, it is over and out….
The first contact is made via:
[email protected].
The first answer can take up to 2 months, so don't panic if there is no immediate answer.
Dear Lung Addie, now that's a clear, crisp, clear answer. I can certainly continue with this. Thank you very much for all the effort.
how can i download the pdf about unsubscribing for belgians
Click on the text :'Unsubscribe file for Belgians (Version 04-21)' of this article. The standard link display has disappeared here, but it is indeed a link.
Have you tried clicking on 'Unsubscribe' etc. at the bottom of the article?
Dear readers,
with some lesser used browsers, there may be a problem opening or clicking the link. If this problem occurs: try using a different web browser.
Had the problem myself. normally use Fire Fox browser with DuckDuck Go (laptop runs under Linux) and it didn't work at all. With the other browsers.
Hovering over the link and then right-clicking should give you some options, including something like 'download' or 'save as' or 'open in…'
Lung Addie,
As is generally known, many Belgian Farangs are married to a younger wife.
Do you have any idea from what age the Thai widow is entitled to a possible pension after the death of her husband?
Yes I have:
This used to be 45 years, but this is no longer valid.
from 2021: 48y
from 2025 this will be 50 years.
In the transition period, 6 months are added each year, so:
from 2022: 48y + 6m
from 2023 49y
from 2024: 49y + 6m
If the age condition is not met: bridging pension:
12 months if NO child burden
24 months WITH child burden.
Dear Lung Addie
If too young, do you have an idea when the survivor's pension will start?
So if too young, a bridging pension is provided, now take 12 months without child burden, when does the survivor's pension start? at 50 years or at 67 years?
I have officially asked this question to the pension service and I got a different answer, I can even send it to you by email if you want.
Because I don't really understand their answer either, I would like to email it to you so that you can read it.
Superb initiative. Thank you for all the work you put into this.
MVG
Dear Philippe,
The bridging pension ends after 12 or 24 months and then…. yes, it's done. What is possible: the widow can claim unemployment if she has not found work during the transition period. The months of bridging pension then count towards the calculation of the unemployment benefit. However, for most of them this will NOT apply as, in order to benefit from unemployment benefits, the person concerned must live IN Belgium.
You may forward the email to: [email protected]. I will study it and if I can't figure it out myself I will forward it to my Belgian legal adviser.
https://www.sfpd.fgov.be/nl/recht-op-pensioen/overlevingspensioen.
Dear,
Have with great interest 'Obtaining a widow's pension from a Thai wife of a deceased Belgian living in Thailand.' read.
Would like to know what age this Thai woman is.
This is because the explanation of the Pension Service causes confusion.
According to the explanation on the website, this is age-related.
My wife (who will be 46 this year) will not be able to apply for a survivor's pension until 2025 (at the age of 50).
When I asked the Pension Service about this, the answer was: 67 years old!!
What is it actually? From the age of 50 or wait until the age of 67? Can Lung Addie enlighten me here?
Thank you in advance, Mrs
Dear Walter,
this woman was, at the death of her Belgian husband, 56 years old and had been married for a little over 20 years.
The other file, because I recently did two, was 44 years old, no child burden and only receives 12 months bridging pension because to be fully entitled she had to be 48 years old…. not so.
Regarding the pension service's answer: it is the age on the date of death that applies.
If you were to die now, she will not be entitled to a full widow's pension from now on, as she will be 2021 in 48, but only to a bridging pension: 12 or 24 months. She must be 50 years old and she will not make it if you die before 2025…. so a good advice: wait with death until your wife is 50 plus ...... you are most welcome.
The 67j only refers to the fact that she would apply for her own pension and not a widow's pension. She must have worked in Belgium, of course. The retirement age may be 67 years, but that has nothing to do with the widow's pension.
Thanks Lung Addie,
Finally an understandable answer.
Could not understand why in their answer suddenly about the age of
was written 67 years ago. Now it is clear. Thanks again.
Best regards,
Walter
What if the Thai-born woman (like mine) has now obtained Belgian nationality through marriage 40 years ago? Will the widow's pension start automatically upon my death if the embassy is notified?
If living in Belgium the answer is YES.
If residing in Thailand the answer is NO. Then it must be applied for and she has 1 year to do it.
The entitlement to a survivor's pension is now gradually increased every 6 months until the age of 50.
Also important is the date of death.
If you die in 2025, your spouse will have to have reached the age of 50 at that time in order to be entitled to the survivor's pension.
The only thing I'm not really sure about is what exactly is meant by year of death and required age. In another text reference was made to 1 January of the year of death. So who dies in 2025 should have reached the age of 1 as a widow on January 2025, 50? But maybe that was changed again just because it caused a lot of confusion
So from 2025, a survivor's pension will only be paid to widows or widowers who have reached the age of 50 (not sure if that is on January 1). For example, if you die in 2026 and after that she is entitled, given that she will have reached the full age of 50.
https://www.sfpd.fgov.be/nl/recht-op-pensioen/overlevingspensioen#leeftijdsvoorwaarden
I would like to ask readers to send questions regarding this dossier to the editors in the future.
thanks lung addie
Last week I had asked for your email address from my brother (rudi).
to ask you what are the most important things I need to do if I want to move to Thailand with my wife. I know you are all right down to the last detail.
but now i can find everything here.
thanks for the information.
PS if I have another question I can also contact you.
greetings franky from geraardsbergen
Dear Franki,
nice to hear from you too. Didn't know you were also a reader of TB.
You can always email me and if you have any questions about anything, just ask. I will be happy to help you where needed.
Many greetings there in G'Bergen (Gieshbeirgen)