Corona has become a religious war
The lung infection has divided humanity into two camps: the believers and the unbelievers. Corona has thus become a religious war, with opponents hitting each other with 'facts'. Coming from websites that many have never heard of.
The camps only believe that they are right and anything that goes against their convictions is ridiculed. Not to mention the many conspiracy theories. Is it Bill Gates who will soon determine our lives? Is it the Jews who first hurled Covid-19 into the world and then came to save us for a lot of money. Is it the Chinese who strive for world domination?
Thailand only 55 deaths in total from Corona? Impossible. And moreover, there are more road deaths every day. So what do those 55 deaths actually represent? So open up the country. As a result, but you never read that, the believer's holiday is secured, the girlfriend can come, his bar can open again and his wife's/girlfriend's restaurant can try to earn some baht.
The believers on the other hand have no interest in opening, but value their health more. So close those bars and massage houses. They never got there anyway. And they haven't been flying to the Netherlands for years.
Every day I read what is published in the world about Covid-19. On that basis I must confess that I do not know the answer, because even in the ranks of the experts, everyone is fighting each other. Public health versus economics. What good is your life if you lose your job, compared to what good is a job if you go out with Corona.
You also come across the camps in the campaigns to provide food to unemployed and poor Thai people. The lock-down is almost over, so help is not needed. Or someone thinks they have seen that a Thai has loaded the packages into his pick-up. And isn't it the government's job to take care of its own people?
In the Netherlands, the camps are now digging in around the face masks, in Thailand and other countries it is mandatory in the open air. I don't want to judge whether the face masks have contributed to the containment of Corona for the simple reason that I don't know.
But it doesn't help, it doesn't hurt either. This is in contrast to the view of many experts in the Netherlands that a face mask offers a false sense of security.
I don't think that's the point. It's the psychological side of the patch that matters. The wearer is constantly aware that the situation is not normal. He will sooner realize with a mask than without that there is a virus going around. The face mask is in and on your head.
I do see similarities with the same discussion about global warming: acknowledgers and deniers. In any case, what this crisis has taught us is that the European Union is a piece of shit (if anyone still thought that). It was every country for itself. No direction from Brussels, no coordination, no solidarity. The countries in the EU even tried to steal each other's face masks. In times of need you get to know your friends.
Indeed this is proof, I am not against Europe per se, but I don't care about such a Europe.
Too liberal and anti-social, Europe must be there but a social and just Europe, with limited powers, because without Europe we would be much more vulnerable in the world.
Let's hope there is a turnaround on this one.
This Europe can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
Public health is not yet a European competence. Very unfortunate if you ask me. The countries do not want to give that up to Europe. As if corona stops at national borders. Your conclusion could also be more Europe instead of less. Only an economic and monetary Europe without a social Europe rightly offends many people. But just 75 years after WWII, one should not throw the baby out with the bathwater. But the basis of the discussion is about whether people take science seriously. This has not much to do with faith, actually. And that scientists regularly question each other's insights is typical of science. This creates new hypotheses that may be confirmed or disproved. It is only through this critical attitude that science advances. This is a fundamental difference from belief and prejudice. (At first glance, the Earth is a flat disk, around which the sun revolves!) What you let go of in a crucial phase of survival, economics or public health, is a debate about values. A good policy tries to reconcile the two and not to polarize it. Camps fight each other but solve little. Everything then revolves around the own right of (rather large) egos. This is how most wars and civil wars started. And sometimes they have something to do with religion, but usually religion is also abused for one's own position of power.
It's a shame to use expressions like 'no big deal' and 'shit on' on the Thailand blog. Moreover, any discussion about for or against the EU is in fact completely hopeless, in that respect a parallel with Hans Bos's believers and non-believers, or as Peter calls the acknowledgers and deniers about global warming. By the way, Peter, no doubt everyone can name many things where guidance from Brussels falls short, but of course there are also, and now I hope I am not denounced, plenty of rules made in Brussels that make our lives more pleasant. For example, telephone calls and online services within Europe without extra costs, European compensation for aircraft delays, free movement of services, goods and money, living and working within Europe and in Central and Western Europe there has never been such a long period without mutual war since the dawn of humanity. Simply pointing out the shortcomings of Brussels is very selective and by putting a clause 'if there were people who still thought that' in brackets it almost becomes manipulative. In response to the subordinate clause, I can tell you that in the AD of 25-4-'19, according to the results of the most recent Eurobarometer survey, by research agency Kantar, it appeared that 86% of Dutch people were against a Nexit. Now that percentage is not perfect, but to suggest, as you do, that apparently no one in the Netherlands would be in favor of a united Europe is to deliberately ignore the facts. Proponents and opponents of the strict measures surrounding the corona virus are at each other's throats without knowing exactly what the consequences would have been with a different policy. This also applies to the European Union, what would we have done as Dutch or Belgian without participation in the EU?
Leo, maybe you should believe the mainstream media a little less. In the run-up to Brexit, the NOS (rather Pro Europe) has always maintained that a majority in the UK was against expulsion. Well, we've seen that. Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Conservative Party then won a huge victory in the British elections and Brexit was a fact. Why do you think D66 was suddenly in favor of abolishing the advisory referendum? The people spoke and that was not in line with the ideas of the political elite.
There should be a referendum on the EU in the Netherlands and all European countries, betting that not much will remain of the European utopia.
For a moment I was afraid that I was getting dementia and I read my response a few times, but what does it say 'shit on'?
Face masks required? I don't know any better than that this duty applies in some provinces (such as Phuket) and certain places (public transport, shops). I don't know a newspaper in which a national obligation has been announced, did I miss something??
Whether the face masks hardly help, just a little bit or practically nothing (The fact that they really work well is easily refuted) and where to make them mandatory is also part of the endless discussion. However, there is also a risk: people take a little too much risk by standing close to each other instead of keeping their distance. So there are advantages (you splash others less with your saliva) but also risks. It is not a perfect solution. Just as there is a trade-off between imposing restrictions (lock down, social distancing) and keeping the economy and society running. Where is the golden mean? Only afterwards can we see this because the experts are also not on the same page.
I also get a headache from the conspiracy theories: Bill Gates, Soros and other rich people are said to be behind it, either for their own enrichment or to drastically reduce the world population. And so many more bizarre theories have been introduced. Cuckoo.
I am convinced that there are groups in the world that are busy accumulating more and more wealth and especially power.
Wealth is only necessary to gain power.
How well they succeed will depend on how far their tentacles reach into the governments.
What you do prove is that they can safely do so up to this point, for you do not believe in it.
However, you forget that having power over others is an enticing idea for many people.
Take as an example the rulers of countries who live in supreme luxury while the population dies of hunger.
Also look around you in Thailand, where the rich upper layer is with a poor lower layer.
Think of Amazon, where the employees are not allowed to go to the toilet and have to use a bottle, because the time to go to the toilet is at the expense of the net working time.
What does this say about the worldview of those people?
I'm a source fetishist, so I need to see some evidence before I'm willing to believe anything. Now I think that a large part of the elite (the amnate, อำนาจ) is mainly concerned with enriching themselves (more power, influence, capital). See the great inequality in Thailand (most or one of the most unequal countries in the world). See the abuses of capitalists in the US (Amazon). In America, for example, there is Last Week Tonight, which uses humor to draw attention to such abuses. Also various programs in the Netherlands. In Thailand... it quickly becomes a matter of silence and intimidation, unfortunately.
So yes, I do believe that those guys have tentacles here and there. But there is often some evidence for this or at least signals that make it very plausible.
What I don't believe, however, is wild speculation without any solid source or substantiation. The stories about how Bill Gates is behind Corona or has an interest in it. We know that he is committed to decreasing population growth, which you can achieve by fewer babies per woman, and for that to happen child mortality must decrease and the socio-economic level must increase. Those two factors go hand in hand with bringing fewer children into the world (see also the famous videos by Professor Hans Rosling). Gates puts large amounts of money in countries where the backlogs are still large. In the long term you will help people and also reduce growth. Those are easy facts to check. But then bizarre theories come along that Gates wants people to die from vaccines, or puts chips (?) in the vaccines or other strange evil practices. Substantiation? 0,0. An explanation (assuming that not everything can be proven)? Also missing. Then I give up, can even be dangerous. What if some lunatic wants to hurt that man after hearing such a conspiracy?
That is also the reason why some of the Corona videos are taken offline: fake news, conspiracies, hate. You have to be very careful. And yes, that is why it is also important to consult various media. Government information, scientists of various stripes, various (online) newspapers. And don't be afraid to change your opinion when you hear new things. But people have a knack for looking for facts (or 'facts') that match their own worldview without critically examining them. Always remain critical of yourself and others. And certainly also vigilant: for example, to ensure that a pharmaceutical company does not scandalously fill its pockets (already happening) or that a government takes away privacy under the guise of security (as we saw after 9/11, less privacy due to the threat of terrorism).
@Rob. v
Those conspiracy theories are too much for me. I also do not believe that Bill Gates is behind the corona virus.
What makes me very uncomfortable, however, is that it is in everything from regulation to production to sales to administration. There is no industry where regulation and supervision are in the same hand as production, let alone administration.
It seems extremely unhealthy to me that someone who has no medical background should suddenly be allowed to mess around with vaccines without any oversight just because of his billions.
I can really hope that 1 or 2 vaccines will soon become available that are not controlled by Bill Gates.
1. Not everything is in sources. The mafia and the criminals don't write anything on a piece of paper or a document that can be retrieved later. And people often let others do the dirty work. It takes Panama Papers to prove that the wealthy (AS MANY ALREADY THOUGHT) dodge taxes to a large extent. And yes, then everyone says: yes, we already thought so.
2.I am a strong supporter of free speech. Of course there is rubbish in between, fake news, but I think people are wise enough to discuss that with others and form their opinion. Trump's press conference and tweets are also not taken offline and contain many lies. Whether a message sows hate and may be punishable is NOT up to Youtube or Facebook, but to the judge.
3. It is a fact that Bill Gates and his foundation invest more money in health care in a number of African countries than the entire government budget. In itself you should not be happy because of the lack of democratic control.
1. Sources are not always in writing… facts can also be proven in other ways.
2. Certainly, I prefer a warning ('note various claims in this message are unproven' 'warning, various claims in this message have been proven incorrect' etc. Then one can still watch or read further, if necessary click through to the fact heckers. However, false information that endangers lives must be removed (such as advice to drink chlorine against corona, very dangerous!), then there is no time to start a long legal process.
3. Is a rightly critical point. I also have difficulty with pharmaceutical companies and my preference is for public universities, etc., controlled by a government and without a profit motive. But that does not alter the fact that private individuals and companies can also do a lot of good.
Chris, there are many written sources on the mafia. Whistleblower and court reports. Number 3. That Bill Gates puts more money into the health care of a number of African countries than the entire government budget is not true. However, it often lacks democratic control. But Bill can't help that either.
It is unbelievable that a Thailand expert attaches value to written material that is used in courts. It is swarming with false papers, documents and testimonials, in addition to the loss of incriminating evidence. Black and white denies mob guilt all the way to the Supreme Court. Then one can get half the sentence by admitting guilt, and they are happy to do that.
In a world that is full of doctored and photoshopped material, looking for real truth (in writing, video, photo) is painstaking work.
https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news/gates-foundation-to-invest-5-billion-in-africa-over-five-years
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' … elite (the amnate, อำนาจ)…….'
Amnaat (tones: middle, descending) is 'authority, power, authority'. Elite is อำมาตย์ ammaat (tones: middle, low). Subtle difference. Ten years ago, the Red Shirts demonstrated under the motto โค่นอำมาตย์ 'khoon ammaat' (tones: falling, middle, low) 'Down with the elite!' The red shirts ended up in a real war (and a hundred deaths). The elite has stayed. Also had something to do with corona.
Rob V. All those conspiracy theories are giving you a headache. Then I can ensure that it becomes a migraine.
Then take a look at the video: The Global Health Mafia Protection Racket. (YouTube) There it is clearly explained who the stakeholders are. At least not you and me and many others. It is clear to me (it has been for some time): we are being cheated enormously.
Oh yes, another nice video by George Carlin - Germs, Immune system. Beautiful, the man has been dead for about 10 years and what foresight.
Words like "plandemic" already make me suspicious of how objective the speaker is. There have been warnings about virus outbreaks for years, we have also had various. Scientists and health organizations keep hammering on danger and preparation for the next outbreak and then this woman thinks it's suspicious that Covid is breaking out. Will she also find it suspicious that there are volcanic eruptions, earthquakes, tsunamis and forest fires? If there are also warnings and authorities are also involved, who will profit from this? Suspicious. *sigh*
Hi Rob, is the theory that the military in Thailand are only working to protect the elite and that Thanathorn was deliberately targeted because he became too popular, not a form of conspiracy thinking?
That the army and the elite (and in particular a special family) have a close relationship can be substantiated since 1932 by all kinds of journalists, historians, politicians, etc. from the Netherlands and abroad. So there are piles of books, studies and media reports and so on. Then it's no longer a conspiracy. Although sometimes there is also a message 'from an anonymous/secret source heard that', then - even if it often fits the well-known picture - a blow to the arm is always required. After all, 1 source is not a source, especially if nothing can be concretely proven.
Yes, but many things, where the elite and the military are concerned, were also based on assumptions and conjecture. Not everything is proven. As long as they are not facts….? The military can also say that the group of critics who take it out on them are conspiracy theorists.
With regard to the corona crisis, you cannot simply dismiss people with healthy suspicion as conspiracy theorists. In addition, the mainstream media is always in favor of governments, for practical reasons, so you cannot always believe them. I think you should seriously listen to the conspiracy theory group and only then can you draw a conclusion. To dismiss them as cookie-cutter is a bit of a simplistic approach. In the past, whistleblowers have also been dismissed as conspiracy theorists. It is a way to silence dissenters and apply censorship.
I think you should definitely listen to other insights, even if they sound strange or bizarre. Perhaps there is a point somewhere or you can at least understand other insights. For example, I think that the accusations against Bill Gates, for example, indicate a distrust that large companies or individuals operate in their own interest or let this outweigh the public interest: the greedy pharmacist, the millionaire who wants to make a profit somewhere. Fine, be critical. Speculation is allowed, but if there is no real evidence to be found, or if you selectively pick evidence/facts that support your idea and omit disproving information, then you are not being honest with yourself or others. Then you take the path of wild conspiracy theories and then I call cuckoo (Or crazy religion madness: extremists also have no reason to think critically about their worldview again ).
With Bill Gates it is also about 'conflicts of interest'. His foundation has shares in pharmaceutical companies and he is a strong supporter of vaccinations that his foundation makes available.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1021577629748680000
Now you can look at 'conflicts of interests' in different ways. In the west that is a no, in the east people are not so concerned about it. These are ethical issues.
A close bond is not yet proof that mutual agreements are made about certain matters. The fact that the business community in the Netherlands has close ties with certain political parties is also a fact, but this does not mean that those parties are on the leash of that business community.
Dear Rob, In Prachuap, but also what I have heard from acquaintances in a number of other provinces, the face mask is mandatory outside the own home situation. So also on public roads. Even in your own car.
You also indicate that this brings people closer together. I personally don't have that experience. What I am asking about, on the other hand, is how you can keep a distance of 1,5 meters in the Netherlands (because that is one of the reasons you do not need a face mask) when more and more people go outside to shops and the like. See the obligation that will now apply to public transport (when it becomes busier on June 1 (...)) and KLM. Might run fine. Can't judge it personally as I haven't been to the Netherlands for quite some time
Dear Rob, that is exactly what I heard and asked again from Thai friends (in case the English-language media in Thailand fails again): the policy is per province, and in some provinces you have to wear a face mask outside the door, not elsewhere. This means that what Hans Bos writes that it is a national obligation is not correct. Maybe a moral obligation or peer pressure obligation but not a legal one across the country.
And I argue that with face masks there is a chance that people will feel protected, even though this is hardly the case with a simple mask on (that way you protect others a little, but you don't protect yourself!). Yet in Thailand you see people wearing face masks standing close together, in public transport (BTS Skytrain) when handing out food, even with officials who announce something or other. Side by side... social distancing seems to be forgotten with all the masks on. There are plenty of photos of people in Thailand who do not keep a few meters away. I think this is partly because people consider themselves protected against the virus with a mask on.
Rob V. OK, OK, it should have said: in large parts of Thailand. Or, in the touristy parts of Thailand. I mistakenly consider Prachuap province as the navel of Thailand. There is a fine of 20.000 baht (official) here if you don't wear that pubic patch. It doesn't detract from the discussion, but you're right.
De facto, you should always wear a face mask in Bangkok. It cannot be described with so much but a visit to the 7Eleven, Tesco, BigC, the bank, public transport (for me songtaew, boat and bus) are impossible without a cap.
I even have to wear a cap to get into the office building where I started working again last week. Otherwise I can't get in.
A de facto 'obligation' or a legally enforceable duty with criminal sanctions is an important difference. For example, if an officer approaches you when you cross the street without a cap and wants to pull out his ticket book. It goes without saying that you must adhere to the house rules of the buildings and services where you visit and if you forget a face mask, do not respond politely if others address you about it or refuse you access.
I don't think there is a law on wearing face masks, only an order in council.
Here in Hua Hin you should not try to go out on the street without a mask, on pain of a fine. Maybe people with a patch will stand further apart from each other. It does look a bit scary…
No Hans you are really going wrong here. I run into a lot of people outside who don't wear a face mask. Ride the moped to the market, Big C, Market village Villa Market and back through the center. If I had to make an estimate it would be maybe 60% with a cap and 40% without a cap.
Formally, Prachuap province carries a 20.000 baht fine for not wearing it. Put it to the test…
Then it's simple. A farang will be fined, a Thai will not. Where do most Thai get those 20.000?
Dear Harry, also live in Hua Hin and don't recognize your guess. Think that at least 90% wear a face mask. Been to BluPort and Villa Market today. Saying and writing 1 person seen without a face mask. And fines are also handed out to Thai (see previous response). Know the examples. The fine for not wearing outside of own home situation is (don't know if farang pay different price) THB 200.
There you tell me something, I didn't mention being inside the Blu port or Market village.
I sit outside on my bicycle or moped and it is really different there. Conclusion, inside you are right, but outside I stick to my point of view.
For all disasters up to and including death, we want an explanation and someone or something to blame. That's why we have so many religions. Nowadays we have the Internet where anyone can develop all kinds of simple and tendentious theories by cutting and pasting. It is sad to see that people distrust normal science, but as soon as they read something that suits them, they become completely uncritical and blindly accept everything as true without any verification. In the late Middle Ages, the Jews were already blamed for the Plague and were largely exterminated in Europe. Even now Jews are; Bill Gates; a Chinese lab, G5 and many other things seen as the cause or blame without any evidence or logic.
Science is not value-free and in the service of society. And in that society you have different parties and different interests: from altruistic-scientific to purely commercial. You don't necessarily have to distrust science, but you don't necessarily have to trust science either.
I think you can trust science very well, but one should not just read the conclusions. Also read what and how has been researched.
Journalists and interest groups are just like people. They use what suits them.
The only thing I believe in is a vaccine. Without a vaccine, the virus will not disappear. Evidence is now back in South Korea. One person has already infected several people with the virus and they may have dozens of others. Without a vaccine, many more will die from this virus.
Dear Co,
The corona virus will never disappear, just like the flu virus. A vaccine is not the solution either. How many years have we had a flu vaccine now? And has the flu virus disappeared? No. There are two reasons for this: 1. the flu virus has an unpleasant habit of changing itself and perhaps the Corona virus will do the same and 2. Not everyone takes the vaccine vaccination, but especially the vulnerable.
It is also not at all wrong to have the flu once a year if you are healthy. Then you build up some resistance. I think it is also not wrong to be infected with Corona, if you are healthy. I also think that many more people are infected than they think. About 6-10% of the population is infected, so in Thailand about 6 million. There are about 3000 measured infections and 55 deaths. If 1-2% of the Corona patients die, approximately 100.000 people in Thailand will die from Corona. The other 5,9 million do not notice or recover.
In a few years we will probably talk about having the flu the same way we do about having Corona.
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'The other 5,9 million do not notice or recover.
In a few years we will probably talk about having the flu the same way we do about having Corona.'
The people who do not die from the virus are often left with chronic complaints, especially of the lungs, but also extreme fatigue, kidney problems and clotting disorders. That is only now coming to the fore.
The coronavirus is really very different from the sweet old regular spring virus. Really and truly.
You rightly always want a source. OK, that's right here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/10/coronavirus-attacks-body-symptoms/?arc404=true&utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most
Attention! It is a mainstream medium!
Hello Tino, just to be clear, is that because of the virus or because of three weeks of ventilation in the ICU?
Most of these other serious problems arise before admission or ventilation. Read the article. I gave the link. Children were also affected, although to a lesser extent.
Dear Tino, that is correct what you say. A good overview of what the Corona virus does in a human body can be read at https://www.nationalgeographic.nl/wetenschap/2020/02/wat-het-nieuwe-coronavirus-met-het-lichaam-doet
A lot of damage is done and initially doctors were not sure what to do with what they encountered, but gradually the total impact becomes clearer.
I also suspect that the 55 deaths are heavily underestimated 🙂 and have always said that some zeros have probably been forgotten. But we will probably never get any real numbers. If you hardly test, you also have little chance of confirmed infections.
Why develop a vaccine for a silly little flu? Ok people are dying but another flu also killed people and with much less fanfare about their deaths than now. Do you really think that without corona no one would have died? But yes now corona is to blame. In Belgium where I come from you would be afraid to die from something other than corona. You might get a fine.
I do not believe that there are two camps, two faiths.
From the start, I have taken the information about Covid-19 quite soberly. The background to this was probably that I was in China with 25 students for a few weeks during the SARS period and no one had an interest in the teacher getting stressed and not being able to keep a cool head. (Significant detail: this trip replaced the trip to Indonesia that was canceled by the university after the bombing of a disco in Bali) Just like then, the Chinese built a new hospital in Wuhan in a few days, so I wasn't there. really scared of it. Even then, people knew nothing about the SARS virus, as they do now with Covid.
What surprised me was that hysteria quickly arose among doctors (and subsequently in society) about the immeasurable number of deaths that Covid-19 would cause if we did nothing. Covid-19 is not the flu, but even with the presence of a vaccine (which not everyone buys), the death toll could rise to the number of flu deaths, i.e. approximately 600.000 per year worldwide. No one in the world is concerned about this death toll. The reason soon became clear to me: flu patients have little claim on hospital facilities and do not occupy the ICUs: they simply die at home or in hospital after a short illness. The measures that were taken (not everywhere at the same time in the outbreak, not the same severity everywhere, not the same measures everywhere) are based solely on the suspicions of doctors and were only intended to slow down the outbreak in order to (allegedly) prevent overload of the hospital equipment. No word about the distribution of patients across multiple hospitals outside the region and perhaps abroad, no analysis of the number of ICU beds and equipment, no word about the possibility of creating capacity in empty buildings such as conference centers.
To ensure that everything was done to slow the growth in the number of infections, an army of measures was taken: from measuring the temperature in the beginning to complete lockdowns with hefty fines. offence. Not the sick were isolated, as has been customary in the medical sector until now, but the healthy people were “locked up”. Some lawyers believe that this (e.g. the 1,5 meter society) is contrary to the constitution. There was only 1 goal: the growth in the number of infections had to be reduced, at all costs. The politicians and political parties followed slavishly. Nobody, really nobody had the courage to point out the possible consequences of measures: an economic recession, mass layoffs, bankruptcies, enormous government support, learning delays in children, stress, suicides, domestic violence, fear among the sick to go to a hospital for care. go wherever Covid patients are being nursed, extortionate prices for medical and protective equipment. And some of these consequences could really have been anticipated. I know that doesn't make decisions easy, but that's what we have leaders for. During this entire period I have not been able to discover a real leader, only scared managers. Of course we must use scientific knowledge to solve the Covid crisis. But this should not only be medical knowledge, but also knowledge of mass psychology, sociology, law, logistics, gerontology and so on, to name a few.
Are the winners now only the people who recover from Covid and are everyone else losers now? No, there are also winners: the online stores, the supermarkets, the home deliveries, the E-sports business and gambling websites, the porn websites, the stock speculators, the producers of medical materials and in the medium term also the pharmaceutical industry. But those who do or do not benefit from the governments' measures are apparently never included in the decision-making process. Most governments, of a neo-liberal nature, have announced heavy measures that have greatly affected the population and smaller companies without really intervening as if they were waging a war. (e.g. nationalizing companies that make medical equipment and protective equipment; stopping the stock exchanges). This ambiguity naturally gives rise to all kinds of wild theories, stories, rumors and suspicions. But politicians brought that on themselves. It will become clear later whether these 'rumors' are true.
You forgot 3 important winners .
The pension funds, the undertakers
and the chinese companies that make face masks and other things
regarding covid 19 !
I don't think those few prematurely deceased elderly people can make up for the share losses of the pension funds.
The big losers are the people with health insurance.
The premium will probably rise considerably next year.
As laymen, let's not say that we know what the experts don't know. They do not agree, but respect the opinion of the other, they actually say 'I think it is sister, but I do not at all exclude that it is so'. If the experts don't know, then you don't know at all.
HarryN says on May 11, 2020 at 10:24 am
No Hans you are really going wrong here. I run into a lot of people outside who don't wear a face mask. Ride the moped to the market, Big C, Market village Villa Market and back through the center. If I had to make an estimate it would be maybe 60% with a cap and 40% without a cap.
rob H says on 11 May 2020 at 13:07
Dear Harry, also live in Hua Hin and don't recognize your guess. Think that at least 90% wear a face mask. Been to BluPort and Villa Market today. Saying and writing 1 person seen without a face mask. And fines are also handed out to Thai (see previous response). Know the examples. The fine for not wearing outside of own home situation is (don't know if farang pay different price) THB 200.
We are talking about facts and sources. What a nice example above. Less than three hours between Harry's comment and Rob's. One hardly sees people without a face mask and the other almost half. In the same environment. I think I'm going to enjoy reading Trump's tweets. Just as reliable.
No matter how we speculate about everything, I am convinced of one thing: MONEY cannot buy our health with it, a nice expensive car in front of our door? It stands still because it can no longer be toured (well, you can stare out the window at it), the children finally have more attention from their parents since they are obliged to
being home (this is not always for the better, don't get me wrong)
The old people here in the retirement homes are languishing lonely because they are not allowed to receive visitors (well, most children now regret that because they almost didn't go anyway because their career was on the 1st place often ,) nature gets a little now a breather,
And that travel? Well now you see maa
luxury problem again,
I hope that when all this misery is over it will have opened people's eyes no matter how you look at it!
Money and health. The richer group of people live 6-10 years longer than the poorer groups.
More than 800 million people worldwide are still hungry or malnourished. https://nos.nl/artikel/2293632-hongerprobleem-groeit-820-miljoen-mensen-hebben-niet-genoeg-te-eten.html('Hongerprobleem growing: 820 million people don't have enough to eat') Every day (repeat: every day), more than 20 people worldwide die of hunger or malnutrition. (Famine) https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongersnood
With less money spent on corona measures in one of the Western countries, this death toll could be stopped. If global action is taken via the UN and/or WHO and/or FAO, then hunger as a problem will be solved. If those same organizations then learn to work together permanently, pandemics will be over.