In 2003, the Ministry of Tourism, in collaboration with the Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT), came up with a new plan to make Thailand more attractive to wealthy tourists. An “Elite Card” was developed for the wealthy foreigner, which would offer various advantages in terms of visas, length of stay and the acquisition of real estate.

An amount of two million baht had to be paid for this card (almost 50.000 euros). This card has not been a success because which tourist would pay no less than two million baht to live in Thailand. Especially when one looks at the neighboring countries Malaysia and the Philippines, which have a much friendlier tourist policy. A project has also been started there to welcome pensioners.

In Malaysia, “My Second Home” plan is attracting a lot of attention. People with a not too large pension can already participate in this. At “My Second Home” there is no age restriction and a visa that is valid for ten years with unlimited entry and exit of the country. It can then be extended for another ten years. In addition, one can buy land and get a favorable credit for the construction of a “dream house”. Even the car can be imported tax-free. And what is important to some: one can go to work without any restrictions.

The Philippine program: “Special Resident Retiree's visa” is open to men and women over the age of 35. People over the age of 50 must have a demonstrable asset of USD 20.000. Or, with an income of 800 US dollars per month, to have an asset of 10.000 US dollars. For this you get an unlimited Non-Immigration visa and free entry and exit. Again, working is allowed here.

Compared to Malaysia and the Philippines, this so-called “Elite Card” plan is nothing like it. Even a five-year visa with unlimited entry and exit, discounted golf membership card, free Spa visits and health check-ups, fast processing at the airports doesn't outweigh what neighboring countries have to offer. The plan, created by Prime Minister Thaksin at the time, has only 2.560 members and has already cost the state 1,3 billion baht. Because this project was guaranteed for life, the state has lost the legal remedy to stop this project. Now they are trying to find new members to limit further expenses, with a term of 20 years.

In light of this, it is incomprehensible that wealthy tourists with extremely luxurious yachts are not allowed to visit Phuket, partly because the Thai navy does not allow this. It was once considered to open up the Ocean Marina Yacht Club for this, but the visitors of these yachts have little to look for in Pattaya and the surrounding area compared to other port cities where the infrastructure is in order.

19 responses to “'Thailand wants wealthy tourists, but shoots itself in the foot'”

  1. Hans Bosch says up

    Dear Louis. At the start of the elite card (what a name!) this thing only cost 1 million baht. The price was first increased to one and a half and then to two million. At the presentation it was assured that participants could acquire one rai of land in a foreign name, but this plan died in beauty, as did the possibility of inheriting membership.
    The whole setup is a dragon, where the promises were never fulfilled. Rich people are not stupid either.

    I cannot accept the comment that expensive yachts are not allowed to anchor at Phuket. I think that is the order of the day.

  2. Nico says up

    As soon as there would be the possibility to acquire one rai of land in a foreign name, the elite card could become a success. The current card offers too few advantages for the hefty price, especially for people over 50.

    • French Nico says up

      The definition of life is as long as someone lives. Hans Bos writes that the plan died in beauty, as well as the possibility of inheriting membership. In my opinion, the latter means that all rights under the “membership” expire after death. So also, if the acquisition of land by a foreigner is linked to membership, the inheritance of the land by a foreigner. Or am I wrong?

  3. Jack G . says up

    What is Rich? I think this card is set up for very rich people and not for poor euro/dollar millionaires or pensioners with a little money. In the world of the very rich people, paying to become a customer of top service providers, for example, is quite normal. You first pay 1 to 2 tons and only then will doors open and you can become a customer. However, this group is not very large on this planet. And of this group, a small percentage is interested in Thailand. Of course I understand Lodewijk's story. Like many others here, he wants Thailand to become Farang-friendly for all Thailand lovers. So buying houses without stooges m / f, not stamping every time, etc. Thailand simply makes this choice and I am afraid that Lodewijk will have to make do with it until a new government gets different insights.

    • self says up

      The so-called MM2H program is not set up for the very rich among us. I even think that many pensioners living in TH are eligible given the financial conditions. A “fixed” bank account with RM 150.000 (Euro 37,5 thousand) is sufficient. In addition, as a pensioner (age requirement: 50 years eo) a fixed income of approximately € 2000 per month.
      From the 2nd year of residence, the bank account may be used for eg home renovations, costs of training and medical treatment.
      More or less double what is required in TH, but you get 5 times in return.
      For all other conditions and benefits and for interested parties: http://www.mm2h.gov.my/index.php/en/

  4. ruud says up

    Of those 2560 members, there are also members who received the card for free when it was introduced, to promote the card.

  5. self says up

    It is unlikely that the wealthy or the wealthy will orient themselves towards Thailand. One will not first see what Thailand has to offer, and then abandon Thailand because of the little that TH has to offer. I think that Thailand is not among the 'jet set' in the list of desired countries of residence, but that people immediately focus on Malaysia or the Philippines, for example. Why would you? Thailand constantly profiles itself as a low-income country.

    A more friendly, inviting and confidence-inspiring treatment and attitude towards foreigners would be more appropriate. Thailand would do well to omit all those checking restrictions such as annual proof of income and assets, and those nonsensical three-month address checks. In addition: never has one Thai been able to explain to me why Thailand is so afraid of (knowledge) input from farang, and why, for example, even volunteer work is out of the question?
    Anyway! They must know for themselves. Then stick to the short term, the short sight and the quick fleeting profit.

  6. Clean says up

    I would like to see a distinction made for people with a retirement visa as compared to e.g. work, study, tourist visa etc. The purpose for your retirement visa is, I assume, that you want to live here for a longer period of time. Why not a year visa incl. multiple entry (yes I know you can get that, but I mean this should go without saying. Why not cancel the 90-day rule. And why the 24-hour rule so that my wife can a foreign trip must report that I am staying in “her” home, but can also report me as soon as my address has changed.
    Speaking of nag day…………
    Can you raise these suggestions with the government? Then with all of you. Is it wise?
    Clean

    • Breugelmans Marc says up

      Indeed, Reint, if they dropped the 90-day arrangement, they would have a little more time at the immigration office for those who come to renew their retirement, now it takes half a day each time! Thailand can make many more things smoother for us!

  7. Michel says up

    I'm still surprised that so many people still bought that card.
    No matter how rich I was, I never bought such a card for that amount in my life.
    If they really want people to invest in TH, they should just release the land sale. Thailand has plenty of land, unless you want to be in the heart of BKK, and that is already reflected in the prices, but that is in every metropolis.
    I don't understand all those strict rules for immigration and property in Asia anyway. If they would arrange that better, it would give a great boost to the economy.

    • Jef says up

      Protectionism of Thai soil is socially responsible. Poor Thai would be driven out. In world cities it was also seen that marriageable children from poorer neighborhoods were forced to leave. Tapping into some intelligence seems like an insurmountable effort to the decision-making Thai. Otherwise it could be solved easily, I suggest:

      “Article NN.1
      An area up to 2 rai can be purchased under special objection by a foreigner who spent at least 3.654 days in the Kingdom of Thailand during the 800 days immediately preceding the signing of the deed of purchase.
      Each owner referred to in this article has equal rights with persons of Thai nationality with regard to the management, including sale, rental and usufruct, of his land.
      This special objection consists in the fact that the land must be sold within five years after the death of the foreign owner by each of his heirs of the land, insofar as the heir concerned has not himself spent at least 400 days in the Kingdom during the 1.827 days immediately preceding the date of death.
      If a land that is owned or co-owned by one or more foreigners has not been in the personal use of an owner or a co-owner for at least a total of 1.827 days during a period of thirty consecutive calendar years, that land to the Kingdom.
      Article NN.2
      An owner of foreign nationality referred to in Article NN.1 is exempt from 90-day registration with Immigration Service, except in the specific cases determined by the competent Minister.”
      Article NN.3
      An owner of foreign nationality referred to in Article NN.1 is entitled to a work permit, when applied for, except in specific cases determined by the competent Minister.”

      This offers the desired opportunity to those who built a lasting relationship with Thailand through an annual stay of 80 [slightly less than 90] days, already after 10 years; or of 160 [slightly less than 180] days after 5 years; or already after three whole years with an annual holiday of 3 months in the country of origin.
      It provides sufficient legal certainty, but limits ownership to persons who maintain an effective connection with Thailand. The five-year term to sell is sufficient to obtain a fair price; a shorter term would be exploited as 'forced sale'. The [also not completely unknown in Thailand] thirty-year statute of limitations is sufficient to prevent the long-term disappearance of the surface of the Thai in foreign hands. The presence of a total of five years to stop this requires a sustained bond (and in practice will usually also mean that a descendant will have Thai nationality).
      The automatic exemption from 90-day reports and the work permit to be applied for will normally be granted, but exceptions can be determined, so that a degree of flexibility (up to arbitrariness) that is acceptable to Thailand remains possible.

      These provisions do not require additional requirements such as 'Elite' or other costs. The normal requirements for the necessary visa and 'extension of stay' to be able to get the number of days are more than sufficient for this property right, which is still limited in comparison with many other countries.

      • Jef says up

        PS The right to sell, lease, rent or leave in usufruct is necessary and sufficient to protect an owner who no longer meets the requirements for a residence permit, or who wants to live elsewhere voluntarily or for health reasons, or who would like to move within Thailand. , to recover his investment in a reasonable manner.

        Typos above:
        contiguous -> contiguous
        specific -> specific
        forced sale -> forced sale
        surface of the Thai -> surface of the Thai Kingdom

        Possibly, an heir could be given the right to prove a connection with Thailand, instead of only within 1.827 days prior to the death, also within the period of 1.827 days following the death. That gives a really strange foreigner who inherits the opportunity to follow in, for example, father's footsteps. It does require more leniency from Thailand and was therefore not included in the initial proposal. This extra right may only apply if the heir submits an application for it within six months of the death.

      • Jef says up

        A further provision should be inserted in Article NN.1:
        “Each heir referred to in this article who is not himself obliged to sell, shall be entitled to buy or acquire the inheritance of the land of any other heir, whether or not to sell, subject to mutual agreement, to buy or acquire, with the same ownership right. as provided in this article.”

        This is quite self-evident, since otherwise a co-owner alien to the family might be necessary, which would often be unacceptable. The surface of the land does not differ, and the new foreign owner, who already half fulfilled the condition of ownership, will most likely after some time fully satisfy it; if not, it hasn't broken a Thai leg yet.

      • Jef says up

        Another correction to the first sentence of Article NN.1:
        “purchased under special objection” should be “purchased or inherited under special objection”.

        This allows further inheritance, provided that the next heir also has a connection with Thailand. But it also allows, for example, to inherit from a Thai spouse. This seems only fair and would finally provide a solution for the many who already have a connection with Thailand but who had not been given the opportunity to acquire land ownership in their own name, without the Thai wife, for example, having to immediately abandon her security because of all the need to sell to the foreign spouse while alive.

        • self says up

          Suffering from a flight of thoughts? The wish father of those thoughts? Can what you write be characterized as a wish at all? Is the difference clear with what is called an illusion?

  8. Lead says up

    Thailand has been too overconfident. Still, I think the lackluster interest is also related to the political uncertainty in the country.

    Wealthy people prefer to seek refuge in countries where it is economically and politically more stable. Malaysia and the Philippines are also no pleasure resorts in that respect. I think that therefore applies to all three that they will have to limit themselves to those who are somewhat wealthy, but who absolutely cannot call themselves rich.

    Malaysia does. It focuses on the elderly who want an affordable home in a country where communication is possible in English, where cheap help for all home, garden and kitchen matters is available and where excellent, affordable medical facilities are in the immediate vicinity. Golf courses and spas are not serious 'baiters' for that group of not-too-rich-rich. Good basic facilities, on the other hand.

    The big disadvantage of Malaysia is the great division (ethnicity, religion). In that respect, there is a way open for Thailand (and the Philippines), but then the Thai must make it possible for foreigners to buy / sell a house, ensure that their children (living outside Thailand) can buy the house, etc. inherit, obtain affordable visas and obtain medical insurance. As said before, these are not very rich people. Asking a lot of money to go to a spa is precisely not the way to reach that target group (which largely consists of people aged 50/60+).

  9. Tucker says up

    The better and more highly educated Thai just don't give a shit about the foreigner. Also the authorities where you have to go for your residence visa. There is only one rule here, how do we get the foreigner's money in our hands as much and as quickly as possible. They only make it more unpleasant with their visa rules and corruption, but in the long run, countries such as Malaysia and the Philippines will benefit from it and these are of course not free of corruption, but they all make it a lot easier to stay there.

  10. theos says up

    According to information I have from Norwegian and Danish sailors who live there, if you are married to a Philippine, you will get a one-year visa stamped directly in your passport upon arrival at the Manila airport. In Thailand? 30 days, greasy bite.

  11. Jef says up

    I summarized my earlier series of somewhat higher reactions into a clearer and more complete, realistic proposal with relevant considerations:

    Protectionism of Thai soil is socially responsible. Poor Thai people would be driven out if foreigners could just buy land. In world cities it was also seen that marriageable children from poorer neighborhoods were forced to leave. Other regulations also prevent or unnecessarily spoil the enjoyment of foreigners who want a regular place in Thailand. Tapping into some intelligence seems an insurmountable effort to the decision-maker Thai. Otherwise it could be solved easily, I suggest:

    “Article NN.1
    An area up to 2 rai can be purchased or inherited under special objection by a foreigner who spent at least 3.654 days in the Kingdom of Thailand during the 800 days immediately preceding the execution of the deed of purchase or death respectively.
    Each owner referred to in this article has equal rights with persons of Thai nationality with regard to the management, including sale, rental and usufruct, of his land.
    This special objection consists in the fact that the land must be sold within five years after the death of the foreign owner by each of his heirs of the land, insofar as the heir concerned has not himself spent at least 400 days in the Kingdom during the 1.827 days immediately preceding the date of death. Each heir who is not thus obliged to sell himself, acquires the right to buy or acquire the inheritance of the land of any other heir or co-owner, whether or not to be sold, by mutual agreement, to buy or acquire, with a new right of ownership. under particular objection as described herein.
    If a piece of land that is owned or co-owned by one or more foreigners has not been in the personal use of an owner or a co-owner for at least a total of 1.827 days during a period of thirty consecutive calendar years, that land to the Kingdom.
    Article NN.2
    An owner of foreign nationality referred to in Article NN.1 and his legal children, if any adopted, as well as spouse of foreign nationality are exempted from being reported to an Immigration Office if they stay on the territory for more than 24 hours. property or co-ownership referred to, except in the specific cases determined by the competent Minister.”
    Article NN.3
    An owner of foreign nationality referred to in Article NN.1 and his legal, possibly adopted, children as well as spouse of foreign nationality are exempt from 90-day registration with an Immigration Office when staying in the Kingdom, except in the specific cases determined by the competent Minister.”
    Article NN.4
    An owner of foreign nationality referred to in Article NN.1 and his spouse of foreign nationality shall be entitled to a work permit, when applied for, except in specific cases determined by the competent Minister.”

    This offers the desired opportunity to those who built a lasting relationship with Thailand through an annual stay of 80 [slightly less than 90] days, already after 10 years; or of 160 [slightly less than 180] days after 5 years; or already after three whole years with an annual holiday of 3 months in the country of origin.

    The right to sell, lease, rent or leave in usufruct is necessary and sufficient to satisfy an owner who no longer meets the requirements of a residence permit, or who wants to live elsewhere voluntarily or for health reasons, or who would like to move within Thailand, allow it to recover its investment in a reasonable manner.
    The right to inherit, which can only pass through generations if the next heir also has a connection with Thailand, also allows, for example, to inherit from a Thai spouse. This seems only fair and would finally provide a solution for the many who already have a connection with Thailand but who had not been given the opportunity to acquire land ownership in their own name, without the Thai wife, for example, having to immediately abandon her security because of all the need to sell to the foreign spouse while alive.
    The purchase right to some foreign heirs prevents a co-owner alien to the family from being necessary, which would often be unacceptable. The foreign heir-owner who already half fulfilled the condition of independent ownership, will most likely fully comply after some time; if not, it is virtually impossible that a subsequent heir would develop a sufficient relationship with Thailand, and yet no Thai leg has been broken because the level surface of the land can never come under the control of a foreigner who does not have a fairly durable connection with Thailand. In practice, lands after a first or almost certainly after a second generation foreign owner will turn out to be mostly owned or co-owned by children of Thai nationality from a mixed marriage, which is then no different from such a child being considered under current law from a legal Thai sole proprietor.
    The proposal provides sufficient legal certainty, but limits ownership at all times to persons who retained an effective link with Thailand. The five-year term to sell is sufficient to obtain a fair price; a shorter term would be exploited as 'force sale'. During those five years, an heir who is himself eligible for long-term residence can interrupt the obligation to sell by his own presence. In practice, a descendant will often have Thai nationality.
    The thirty-year statute of limitations [also not completely unknown in Thailand] is sufficient to prevent the long-term disappearance of a substantial surface of the Thai Kingdom into foreign hands, and thus the scarcity and unaffordability of land.

    The automatic exemption from 90-day reports and the work permit to be applied for will normally be granted, but exceptions can be made, so that a flexibility (to difficult orphans) acceptable to Thailand remains possible. For example, the 90-day reporting could be mandatory if the owner spent less than 366 days in Thailand in the previous 120 days (so had recently maintained a less clear connection to Thailand), or a work permit for 'retired' visas/extensions of residence could be limited. can be down to a number of working days, a low income or even volunteer work. The exemption to report as soon as possible upon arrival at the address would probably not be easily accepted, while the 90-day reporting will also be dropped, unless it remains possible to exclude, for example, who most recently entered the Kingdom without a 'resident' visa or annual visa, nor hold a valid one-year residence extension. Importantly, the restrictions should be specific ministerial regulations and not subject to local arbitrariness ('at the discretion of the Immigration Officer') in Immigration Offices.

    These provisions do not require additional requirements such as 'Elite' or other costs and as few restrictions as possible by a 'competent Minister'. The normal requirements for the necessary visas and extensions of stay ('extension of stay') to be able to get the number of days, are more than sufficient for this, compared to many other countries, still limited right of ownership and more normal enjoyment of residence.

    Possibly, an heir could be given the right to prove a connection with Thailand, instead of only within 1.827 days prior to the death, also within the period of 1.827 days following the death. That gives a really strange foreigner who inherits the opportunity to follow in, for example, father's footsteps. It does require more leniency from Thailand and was therefore not included in the initial proposal. This extra right may only apply if the heir submits an application for it within six months of the death.
    Remember that buying or inheriting from, for example, a Thai wife is only possible if she was the rightful owner. The 'farang' who had given his Thai wife money to buy land in her name without meeting the legal requirements for a Thai married to a foreigner, can see that land confiscated and is likely to provoke this in an inheritance. A regularization would require 'amnesty' and Thailand is certainly not inclined to grant a special favor to foreign lawbreakers; such an additional proposal would seriously jeopardize the acceptance of the more necessary and evidently fair proposal. Perhaps that regularization can be proposed for consideration after the more reasonable proposal has been put into practice and proved to work to everyone's satisfaction.


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