Kamala Tyavanich's book, The Buddha in the Jungle, contains a collection of foreign and Siamese stories that vividly describe life and thought in late 19 Siam.e and start 20e century. Most of the stories are set in a Buddhist context: village monks meeting gigantic snakes, monks as healers and painters, a missionary being gored by an elephant, but also bandits and rowers, midwives and, of course, ghosts. It evokes an image of a lost world, the differences with the West and later modernization without idealizing the past. It's a celebration of memory.

She obtained much of her information from so-called cremation books in which the life of the deceased is described, and also from biographies and travelogues by foreigners. It was a surprise to me how much was written in those days.

Chapter 43 is titled 'Backward or Enlightened?' and is largely about the role of women in the Siam (and related Burma) of the time as perceived by foreign travellers. That is what this article is mainly about.

What foreigners had to say about the position of women in Siam and Burma about 1850-1950

Western travelers in nineteenth-century Siam, who had also visited India, China or Japan, were particularly struck by the high social status of women in the area now called Southeast Asia.

Bishop Bigandet, a French Roman Catholic priest who spent XNUMX years in the Shan states (Northern Burma), testified to the high position enjoyed by women and attributed it to Buddhism. 'Women and men are almost equal,' he wrote, 'they are not shut up in their houses but roam freely in the streets, managing shops and market stalls. They are the companions and not the slaves of men. They are diligent and contribute fully to the maintenance of the family.'

James George Scott (1851-1935) wrote in a memoir in 1926 that 'the Burmese women enjoyed many rights that their European sisters still fought for.'

Women did the same (heavy) work as men. In part, this must be attributed to the four-month chore shifts that took men away from home. John Crawford in 1822 saw women performing all kinds of labor such as carrying heavy loads, rowing, plowing, sowing and reaping, not unlike the men. But all the men went hunting.

A geologist, H. Warrington Smyth, who lived in northern Siam between 1891 and 1896, noted that women were the workers, and nothing could be done without consulting wife or daughter.

Around 1920, the Danish traveler Ebbe Kornerup and his assistants took a boat trip on the Ping, a river rowed by a woman. He writes: “After the rains the river was wide but sometimes so shallow that we have to wade through the water. The rower was a plump and pleasant woman with short hair. She was wearing pants and a Siamese phanung and the betel and fermented tea leaves she chewed turned her lips dark red. She chuckled happily as the water splashed over her pants. She talked on and on with her supervisors.

In 1880 the British engineer Holt Hallett (Erik Kuijpers wrote a wonderful story about his journey) made a journey from Moulmein in Burma to Chiang Mai to investigate a road for a railway line. He noted that 'women were treated very well by the Shan (the people of northern Thailand, also called Laotians or Yuan). This is especially noticeable in a case of a woman against a man where a woman's testimony is seen as indisputable evidence. Child marriages do not exist, marriage is a matter of personal choice and not of trade'.

Lillian Curtis, however, attributed the high position of women in Laos and Siam not to Buddhism but to much longer cultural roots. This is evidenced by ancient chronicles and the fact that women occupy an important place in those tribes that have never converted to Buddhism. The woman is free to choose a marriage partner and marriage is not a religious ceremony. The man moves in with his wife's family who manages all the property. Divorce is easy but rare and often in favor of the woman.

Two other writers also praised women's independence in similar terms: they did not rely on man's affirmation or help. Children grow up with a mother, not a father, who manages the finances.

The changes from the beginning of the twentieth century

King Chulalongkorn, Rama V, is also known as the Great Modernizer. His son King Vajiravuth, Rama VI (reigned 1910-1925), continued that policy. He was the first, but not the last, Siamese monarch to receive part of his education abroad and may have derived some of his ideas from that experience. In 1913 he enacted a new law requiring every Thai to adopt a surname. Wives and children should take the husband's and father's surnames. Where previously genders were often seen in the female line, the Thai community gradually moved more towards a patriarchal system. This is undoubtedly partly due to the fact that the noble elite had a completely different view of male-female relationships than the rest of the people. In the nobility, the man was superior and the woman was locked up in the palace. Defilement of the royal line was thus prevented.

In my opinion, it is these two causes, the increasing influence of the palace and the nobility on the whole of Siam (now also on the more remote parts) and the associated Western influence, that have influenced the position of women from the beginning of the 20th century.e century undermined. The change from village Buddhism to Bangkok-sponsored state Buddhism is another factor.

Carle Zimmerman's testimony

Harvard-educated sociologist Zimmerman conducted extensive research in rural, central and periphery Thailand in the years 1930-31. He gave an overview of the economy, the state of health, the level of education and much more about the condition of the still mainly farming population.

Let me quote him:

'The Siamese have a high spiritual, non-material standard of living. In Siam you will not find any trade in children and child marriages do not exist. They were generally not greedy before the economic boom of 1960. ' He further noted that 'the Siamese are highly developed in art, sculpture, silverware, niello work, silk and cotton weaving, lacquerware and other matters pertaining to artistic expression. Even in the most primitive communities one can find a beautifully carved door, a piece of pottery, an artfully woven cloth and carvings on the back of an oxcart. '

Personally, I can add that there was a lively and exciting literary tradition where stories were regularly told in most villages, often performed with music and dance. The 'Mahachaat', 'Khun Chang Khun Phaen' and 'Sri Thanonchai' are three examples.

Frank Exell, who spent a long time (1922-1936) in Siam as a teacher and banker, regretted in his memoirs Siam Tapestry (1963) that Siam had lost its charm as a 'forgotten area' ('backwater') and had become a land of 'progress'. In his book Siam Service (1967), when Thailand was ruled by the military who listened to the Americans, he sighed 'We can only hope that the country will be able to find good leaders'.

How do dear readers rate the status of women in Thailand today?

Source reference:

  • Kamala Tiyavanich, The Buddha in the Jungle, Silkworm Books, 2003
  • Carle C. Zimmerman, Siam Rural Economic Survey, 1930-31, White Lotus Press, 1999

13 Responses to “Siam and the High Social Status of Women, 1850-1950”

  1. The Inquisitor says up

    In fact, you can still see a lot of that here in my area.

    Women also perform all labor, even heavy work.
    It is also usually the ladies who 'wear the pants' at home – but with a lot of tolerance towards their husbands.
    They also usually manage the finances.
    Marriages are by consent of the lady, so no coercion. Divorce is usually 50/50.

    • Tino Kuis says up

      Exactly and that is a big difference with what I always call the dominant, official culture imposed by 'Bangkok'. You see that in school books, etc. Submissive women. The 'weaker sex'. The reality is different, especially in the Isaan and the North.

    • Gringo says up

      You don't see everything, not even in the Isaan.
      I would really like it if the women started walking with bare breasts again.

      I can also here in Pattaya, you know!

      • Tino Kuis says up

        Men too!

  2. Roger says up

    Dear Tina,

    Another very interesting contribution.
    My sincere thanks.

    Regards, Roger

  3. Nico B says up

    A lot of work is carried out by Thai women, in the fields as well as in construction, many women take care of money matters, many men respect their wives reasonably, in my opinion, but that is and often appears to be the case. Many Thai men are unfaithful and consider the woman their property once they have possessed the woman. Many men also use physical violence against their wives, the woman responds to all this by taking another man if she gets the chance, many women in Thailand also cheat and not only in Thailand, that also happens quite a lot in the Netherlands, the first man was an escape from Thailand, not based on any emotionally valuable relationship, the 2nd choice often more based on an emotional connection. What I note here is based on my own observations from very close by and brought to me by Thai women in Thailand and the Netherlands.
    My conclusion based on facts is therefore that women were a lot better off in the past than they are now, but yes ... following the apes of the west meant modernization, at the expense of women's dignity and position.
    Nico B

  4. Tino Kuis says up

    Oh yes, that first photo was taken in 1923 in Chiang Mai: women on their way to the market

  5. danny says up

    Thanks for a nice contribution of Thailand's history.
    It seems in many places that Time has stopped in Isaan, because the story is still very recognizable in this area in Isaan and as the Inquisitor, this life, has supplemented in the recognisability of your story.
    Let's hope it stays that way for a long time, because for some it is the reason why they have chosen Isan to breathe their last.
    nice story Tony.

    good regards from Danny

  6. Fransamsterdam says up

    As usual, another very readable contribution from Tino Kuis.
    Not just an opinion, but a substantiated story.
    I'm definitely going to check some sources on it, but for now just want to note as a curiosity that the consequences of the right to take a surname in our culture are visible through the abolition of slavery, from memory in 1863. If someone is called 'Seinpaal' from his last name, you almost certainly know that his ancestors, and foremothers (?), came here from Africa via Suriname.
    Do such 'stigatizing' surnames exist in Thailand since 1913?

    • Tino Kuis says up

      Many Surinamese descend from relationships between slave owners and female slaves. Those slave owners then gave funny names to those children. In my practice you had the family 'Nooitmeer' and 'Goedvolk'. A man was called 'Madretsma' and asked me what that meant. I didn't know, but you have to see it!
      I myself am a descendant of a refugee. Two hundred and fifty years ago, Catholics from Nordrhein-Westphalen (near Twente) fled from the oppressive Protestant Prussians. My great-great grandfather, Bernardus Keuss, settled in Uithuizen around 1778.

      I always try to understand Thai names. Here's a piece. https://www.thailandblog.nl/achtergrond/thaise-namen-lang/

      My son's girlfriend is called รวิพร วนาพงศากุล or ráwíephohn wánaaphongsǎakoen. Rawie is 'sunshine', phohn is 'blessed', wanaa is 'forest' and phongsaakoen is 'family, descendant, lineage'.
      Her grandfather was a Chinese immigrant, a Teochew. 'Blessed by sunshine' 'Descendant of the forest', isn't it beautiful?

      Surnames with five or more syllables are almost always of Chinese ancestors. Other surnames occur only in certain ethnic groups. My son's mother had the surname 'hǒmnaan', 'long-scented' and comes from the Thai Lue group.

  7. joy says up

    In Thai marriage, the comparison with an elephant is often made, in which the woman is the rear part of that elephant and the man is the front part. An elephant can stand on its hind legs, but not on its front legs………..

    Regards Joy

  8. Rob V says up

    One-third of the respondents believed that married women were “owned” by their husbands and they must be responsible for household work and take, according to a survey of 1.617 Thai men aged between 20 and 35. care of the family.'

    Now I do not recognize that image from my own environment, the men and women I spoke to have ideas that range from 'equality for men and women, both have to work and both have to do the housework' up to and including the somewhat more classic image that the woman is primarily responsible for the household and the man primarily for income. But in all cases the relationship between man and woman was equal or similar. But that image may be distorted because as far as I know they all had decent education and jobs, middle class families or couples between their 20s and late 30s. Who knows, there are groups where the image 'the man is in charge of the woman' is in considerable numbers, so that on average you end up with the rather high number of 1/3. Who's to say? I don't dare to draw any conclusions without more extensive research.

    According to the same source, 45% of men admitted to using physical violence against their wives or girlfriends when they were drunk. Unfortunately, no figures are given about violence in a sober state. According to a second source, 30,8% reported violence in 2012. These figures contrast sharply with a 2009 survey by the National Statistics Center that reported 2,9% of women reporting violence, with the highest percentage 6,3% for 15-19 year olds and as low as 0,6% for women with a Bachelor or higher degree. With some googling you will also come across a piece with the title “Domestic Violence Behaviors between Spouses in Thailand” but that only mentions a few numbers of around a thousand reports (which seems improbably low to me for the entire population…).

    Regardless of the numbers, the conclusion seems to be that, as you can expect, in the event of repeated violence, the relationship is broken and/or the report to the police is continued. So the woman will usually not allow herself to be mistreated or abused again and again. That seems to me a normal human reaction: sporadic violence can be covered with the cloak of love, but if your partner is clearly not on track, then you leave him or her.

    Source 1: http://m.bangkokpost.com/learning/advanced/1141484/survey-70-of-20-35yr-old-thai-men-admit-to-multiple-sex-relationships
    Source 2: http://www.dw.com/en/violence-against-thai-women-escalating/a-17273095
    Source 3: 'Thailand Random' ISBN 9789814385268.
    Source 4: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.681.5904&rep=rep1&type=pdf

  9. Rob V says up

    The above was a response to NicoB.

    I have little comment on the piece itself. Thanks Tino. I agree that women in the region have played and continue to play an important role for a long time. It is clear that they do all kinds of work, not only around the house but also outside. Partly out of necessity, in pre-industrial times you needed every hand there is, so women and children have to do heavy work, for example to collect and process the harvest in time. To make a fairer comparison between the Thai woman in the 19th century, you should actually take the European woman from the 18th century. You can expect that many women will contribute on many fronts and that there is little arranged marriage among the farmers. After all, the latter is about retaining or acquiring property, something for the upper class (nobility, etc.) and not for the peasants who were not landowners.

    “In the sixteenth century it was a right and a duty for parents to find a suitable marriage partner for their daughter(s). In the seventeenth century, more subtle standards were used. The parents were not allowed to force their children into a marriage they did not like, but the children were also not allowed to enter into a union against which the parents had spoken out. ”
    Source: http://www.dbnl.org/tekst/_won001wond01_01/_won001wond01_01_0005.php

    What I do see throwing a spanner in the works for women in Europe is the church, which, among other things, supported the image that women were lower than men. And, of course, divorces. From memory I remember that they were more common in Thailand than with us in the west. See ao:
    https://www.historischnieuwsblad.nl/nl/artikel/5795/liefde-en-huwelijk-in-nederland.html

    But I digress. The status of women in Thailand today is far from bad. Thailand may have adopted the (now outdated) custom that the man transfers the family name to the children, but fortunately in both the Netherlands and Thailand we are returning to more equality of the sexes. In an ordinary family, the woman is fine and so is the man, people don't hit or yell and the woman really doesn't let herself be walked over. Outsiders regularly confuse 'grooming' (such as clipping the man's nails) as submission, but I have yet to encounter the first Thai-Thai or Thai-Western couple where the woman is submissive, goes through the dust or 'her place' ' knows.

    But of course I also realize that not everything is cake and egg. There are problems, there are groups in society that do experience violence and the like. Work needs to be done on this: better laws and better compliance with regard to alimony, more accessible access to declarations, social safety nets so that a citizen (man or woman) has some security or support with regard to income. This so that you don't have to stay with your partner out of necessity for rice on the shelf and / or a roof over your head. That means more taxes for better facilities. That and making it more open to discuss how to deal with domestic violence only improves the already good position of men and women within relationships/households.

    But to be honest, this is mainly the impression I get from looking around. I don't dare put my hand in the fire for really hard conclusions, that requires frequent investigations that can show snaffle.


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