No, I don't want to talk about the (usually chlorinated) tap water in Bangkok, but about the water that you can pump yourself or get from a water supply network of the village where you live, so untreated groundwater or water that has only minimal treatment got. This in response to a response to Thailandblog from a few months ago where I was too late to respond.

The response stated, among other things, that:

“Recently my wife got the results of her well water. Must be inspected before use. Turns out her water has a pH of 4.8 (approved by Thai research lab !!??), so it's quite acidic and isn't good for any metal material, not for your tiles and not for you either.

You can check yourself with pH strips and see how acidic your water is, doesn't cost much. So now have to consider bringing this pH value to 7, neutral. Not really working on it yet, but thinking about an ion exchanger, a filter filled with resin. Still need to put in a few filters, because it's not always clear. A real RO filter would be great, but costs more and the production process would also cost quite a bit. For 1 glass of water, 4 thrown away, well, let's take a look.

No idea what city water is like in Thailand, as pH 4,8 is approved. But acid does attack all kinds of materials, except plastic. Why all the plastic pipes in Thailand? It is also cheaper of course.

The use of acid water can cause problems with your skin and your hair (can break off) over time, but yes, people also go for a chemical peeling. You don't need it anymore if you shower every day. It is therefore best to use plastic taps, but water is still too acidic for you.”

Well, I can reassure the writer, water of pH 4,8 is not bad for your skin and not bad for your hair, but good. Now that of course requires some explanation because I don't assume that the writer just takes it from me.

First of all, it is of course not such a strange idea that acid would be bad for your skin, because Dutch tap water is slightly alkaline with a pH that is usually around 8. Moreover, with a pH of 7,4, your blood is also not acidic but slightly alkaline. Furthermore, your teeth are known to be affected by lactic acid formed by bacteria and fruit and phosphoric acid from soft drinks. Your eyes also prefer not to come into contact with acid; your tear fluid has a pH of approximately 7,4. But your skin? It wants to be slightly acidic and fortunately it is if the skin does not come into contact with alkaline tap water too often.

Dutch tap water is not "natural" but undergoes many treatments and the pH is also artificially raised to a relatively high level, otherwise lead and copper and other metals would dissolve and pose a threat to public health. It is definitely not made alkaline to spare your skin.

But why is it that (the surface of) untreated skin has an average pH of 4,7? After washing with slightly alkaline (Dutch) tap water, your skin has a pH close to 6. But the sweat that ends up on your skin - even if you don't sweat noticeably - has a pH of 5 to 6 and contains ammonium lactate. And that ammonium lactate causes a sharp drop in pH to sometimes as much as 4 because it splits into ammonia and lactic acid on the skin. The ammonia volatilizes but the lactic acid remains on your skin and provides the desired pH drop. Desirable, because such acidic skin is usually in a better, healthier condition than skin that is less acidic.

This is especially evident with people who suffer from eczema. The skin pH of those people is on average somewhat higher than people without eczema and the affected skin in particular has a high pH. And that higher pH is optimal for Staphylococcus aureus (optimal pH for this "flesh-eating" bacteria is 6-7) which occurs in 90% of cases in eczema patients (and only 5% in others). A high skin pH gives Staphylococcus aureus the chance to colonize the skin and if the skin becomes damaged it results in an infection and what is worse, the bacteria then enters the deeper layers of the skin where the pH is naturally 6-7 . Once there, the bacteria is almost impossible to get rid of: eczema!

A low skin pH has a second advantage, namely that the bacteria Staphylococcus epidermidis naturally occurring on the skin and harmless under normal circumstances have favorable living conditions. This bacterium is even capable of creating its own acidic system by, among other things, converting the glycerol present on the skin into acid. Fortunately, S. epidermidis helps our bodies defend against S. aureus. S. epidermidis even has a secret weapon for this: serine protease Esp. This is an enzyme that can inhibit the growth of S. aureus. Incidentally, there are of course many more factors that play a role in eczema, but that is not relevant for this story.

Eczema will be more common in the Netherlands than in Thailand because the tap water in the Netherlands is alkaline and because there is less sweating than in Thailand. Fortunately, most people in the Netherlands do not have any problems, but that is because in most cases the skin pH drops below 5 within a few hours after a shower. However, there are unlucky people who sometimes need 48 hours for this and if they take a shower every day, their skin pH never falls below 5.

But why is the (pumped) water in Thailand so acidic? However, not all groundwater in Thailand is acidic because it depends on the composition of the rainwater and also on the composition of the soil. And, by the way, also the amount of sunshine.

Rain is “saturated” in carbon dioxide (in equilibrium with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere) and therefore normally has a value of 5,6. Light sour. In an industrialized environment or an environment with a lot of traffic, nitrogen oxides and sulfur oxides can also dissolve in the rain. And those oxides form nitric acid and sulfuric acid in the raindrop. You then get the acid rain that they were so afraid of in the Netherlands 50 years ago. Rightly afraid, but of course also a bit exaggerated (predictions of dying forests, etc.). The pH of that rain was therefore much lower than the natural value of 5,6.

In Thailand, the pH of rainwater will also fall below 5 locally, but I am not aware that this causes problems in nature (in China, for example, the situation is slightly different). Once on earth, the pH can drop even further if, for example, organic acids are formed through the decomposition of organic material. But if calcium carbonate is present in the soil, calcium bicarbonate is formed and this reaction has a neutralizing effect. And sunlight? Sunlight ensures that carbon dioxide in surface water is scavenged by algae, which can cause the pH to rise. In the Netherlands, with its long days in the summer, the pH of surface water can rise to 10 in the afternoon in exceptional cases. This will probably not happen in Thailand due to the shorter days. However, this makes it clear that groundwater, also in Thailand, can be both acidic and alkaline.

In the case described, the pH of the pumped water was 4,8, so it contains more than just carbon dioxide. I'm betting on organic acids. And that could indicate that the water is pumped up from a relatively shallow depth and that it may also contain the necessary bacteria. In fact, extensive research is needed into the chemical and bacteriological composition, but your eyes (colour, turbidity), nose and taste buds will of course also tell you a few things. My wife just drinks our pumped water, but that comes from a depth of 30 meters where there is also a water impermeable layer of about 10 meters. That indicates that the water has come a long way. Our water is neutral and clear. I'm not taking the risk myself.

A different story applies to your hair, but even then a pH lower than 6 is good because then the scales close. You then get smoother, shinier hair that also retains virtually no dirt. You don't actually need an (acidic) conditioner anymore. In the Netherlands, unfortunately.

And your taps? That will also work out.

23 responses to “Is tap water in Thailand actually good for your skin?”

  1. Arjen says up

    Nice, interesting story.

    We collect rainwater for cooking, and for coffee and tea, and for hydroponics. (In order to properly add fertilizers you have to go to a certain EC value. Our groundwater already has an EC value of 2, and then it is virtually impossible to add the right concentration of fertilizers)

    Our groundwater has a pH value of 7, but our rainwater has a pH value of 4.0. I think it's extremely low. We only collect the rainwater when it has rained a lot, and after I have cleaned the gutters. The water is stored in two tanks of 2.200 liters each, and then passes through various mechanical filters where I filter up to 0.3Mu and a carbon filter in a stainless steel tank. This tank fills drop by drop from the two large tanks. But that dripping continues 24 hours a day, so it will eventually fill up. Our rainwater supply is enough to last a year, although we were almost dry now because it is much too dry. But with the last showers, the large tanks are full again.

    Again, nice story! Incidentally, I have always understood that swimming pools are always slightly acidic, precisely to prevent skin problems.

    Arjen.

    • Dirk says up

      Rainwater PH4 is IMPOSSIBLE

      • Hans Pronk says up

        Dirk, a pH of 1,87 was once measured in Scotland: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zure_regen

    • Chris from the village says up

      We also use rainwater, from the roof in a stone pot and we just drink it,
      without a filter, but also let the roof rain clean first.
      I think that the rainwater here is reasonably good ,
      I have seen no chemtrails here in Thailand.
      Due to the groundwater :
      I suffered from eczema in Europe, but I also use the groundwater unfiltered
      to shower and cook and don't suffer from eczema anymore!
      The groundwater also differs from place to place and ours,
      turns out to be very good.
      It also depends a bit on your immune system.
      whether you tolerate it or not.

  2. Jack S says up

    Interesting and comprehensive. So I don't have to worry too much. I've been showering outside with rainwater for a month or two. We live between Hua Hin and Pranburi and often get wind from the Gulf of Thailand. I think that the rain that falls here contains much less harmful substances than the water from the water pipe or from a well. Just pure water I think.. or am I wrong?

    • Hans Pronk says up

      Jack, you're probably right. It can be or become contaminated with bacteria, but that depends on how it is collected and stored. But most bacteria die anyway when the skin dries up.

  3. Arjen says up

    Well Dirk,

    I may be measuring wrong. I use test strips that usually give a good value. I use an electronic Ph meter that indicates an equal value to the measuring strips. I calibrate the electronic meter monthly with two calibration fluids, Ph10 and Ph4. And also on the calibration fluids I have the same values ​​with the measuring strips (a kind of refined litmus). So if Ph 4.0 is impossible, I wonder how I always end up with this value with different measuring methods.

  4. Sjon van Regteren says up

    Interesting message. Any idea where to get water tested? And not only on pH, but also lime and possibly other contaminants. I would like to have our pumped groundwater tested for potability. An address on Phuket would be useful.

    • Dick41 says up

      Sjon,

      there is a very professional laboratory: ALS with offices all over Thailand.
      Just search the internet; in Chiang Mai they have complete sampling sets ready for you to take sterile samples yourself and to pack them in a Styrofoam box with ice that you can give with the bus service so that the case can be investigated the next day in the central laboratory in BKK.
      Very efficient and reasonable prices. Lab is internationally certified, so results are reliable.
      Costs depend on number of analyses.
      You can ask them to make the analyzes for WHO standard or National Standard for drinking water.
      Lime is not a contamination, but an element that is necessary within certain limits.
      Real contaminants are nitrate and heavy metals such as chromium, copper, lead. Zinc is not a big problem. iron and manganese have legal limits, in addition, arsenic (As) or fluorine (F) can occur in groundwater in Thailand.
      Depending on which substances are above the standard, the right treatment can be chosen, but do not immediately switch to RO because that is not necessary in 95% and even undesirable. WHO (World Health Organization) warns against the use of RO treated water (including the cheaper brands of drinking water from the supermarket or the 20 L kegs that are usually filled via an RO)
      RO is a water and energy wasting technique and is overused due to the ignorance of sellers and government. Like a kind of miracle oil.
      There are countless good and sustainable solutions for the above elements.
      I myself have an Ultrafiltration on the city water in CM that removes a lot of iron and manganese (dark brown backwash water) has been working for 3 years and processes 800.000 L without any problem. UF also stops bacteria and viruses. No more black deposits in toilet flush, no more slimy deposits in pipes and storage tank etc.
      I must admit that I have been a water specialist for > 40 years and therefore know what I am doing and I am still active in ASEAN where I now have several hundred small and large installations running.
      Regards,

      Thick

  5. Be says up

    Hans,

    These are the stories I enjoy.
    Extensive and with a lot of extra information and in understandable Dutch.
    Awesome.
    If you know more, let me know.
    Thanks.

    Who follows?

    • yourself?

  6. Jan says up

    In Chiangmai (Saraphi) you have to drill up to 100m, otherwise you will still have salty water worse than the North Sea. In Lopburi drilled to 45m and also still brine with a lot of iron. 3 years ago I had water from Lopburi (45m depth) tested in a lab in Belgium (costed about €200) and it was thoroughly bad, also for showering.

    • Daniel VL says up

      In CM center drilled to 132m even through rock remained poor due to the pollution of the embankment and the Ping river. I don't know where the city's water comes from, I suppose from somewhere higher up. When I see how people here make their own connections to the net legally or not, I also have my reservations about this. The companies that install reverse osmosis devices always give good figures, are they reliable or not? In my neighborhood, water is pumped up and sent through such a device and the water is bottled for sale as drinking water.

      • Hans Pronk says up

        I have no experience with reverse osmosis myself. If it works properly it should be almost pure water. In general, you get 1 liter of clean water and you have to throw away 3 liters. If that ratio changes, you have a leak.
        Incidentally, pure water is not always good, especially if you drink a lot of it because it is so hot. You also lose salts through sweating and you could get a lack of salt if you don't get enough salt in any other way.
        That also applies to a lot of bottled water that you buy: virtually no salt.
        Perhaps you could ask Dr. Maarten a question about that.

  7. ruud says up

    The tap water in the village comes (came, because the water has run out) from surface water.
    In the city too as far as I know, and probably water from the dams too. So maybe the story about groundwater doesn't really apply to tap water in Thailand.

  8. Leo Th. says up

    Learned a lot from this extensive story. A few years ago I contracted an infection in my face during my stay in Thailand. Cause unknown, one time more rash and more visible now than the other time. It is striking that after a shower, in the Netherlands, it is always more fiery. Didn't think about the pH value of the tap water and the many dermatologists I've been to consult have also commented on it. Thank you!

  9. peter says up

    OK that's another story. The moment I heard it, I googled it and in my mind I was in the Netherlands, where the water is not so acidic. At that time I came across negative messages about the use of acidic water against skin and hair. So it worried me.
    Actually, I should be more concerned in the Netherlands than where the water is alkaline?!

    However, after this story I googled again, perhaps in a different form and suddenly saw positive messages appear, as above. At least with regard to the external body, there seems to be an acidic environment there. So it would be good. So can I imagine this. However, I initially find pH 4.8 a bit low.

    I'm surprised what you say about the taps, it won't be too bad. In an earlier part of the story, you say that the Netherlands has slightly alkaline water to prevent the dissolution of metals, which in itself could cause health problems. also technically important, of course, because metals dissolve better in an acidic environment.
    All pipes in the Netherlands are made of copper and in the past they were lead pipes. May hope that lead pipes are no longer applicable in the Netherlands and have been replaced. However, pH 4 is then acidic enough to dissolve or affect your taps and materials.

    I also read that lead is still active and dissolves in water, as the brass of the taps also contain lead and nickel. The lead to make brass more manageable and nickel to make it easier to chrome. In other words, with cheap taps (made anywhere) are you still more likely to get lead poisoning?
    It is stated “the better (?) the alloy, the better the faucet” and with it a price tag?
    It seems to be considered acceptable since there are no rules.
    However, that was already 2008: https://www.medicalfacts.nl/2008/05/08/alle-metalen-kranen-geven-deeltjes-af-aan-drinkwater/

    Well, why should I worry about a pH value? Been doing alkaline water for years, when it should be acidic.
    2 of her family members died of colon cancer, in the same area. Don't know if more (men?) died there in the same way. Did they drink the water?
    Your internal body shouldn't become too acidic again, as a lot of it is alkaline again, except for your stomach and intestines. An acidic environment in your body is detrimental to cancer cell growth. Not that I intended to drink the water.

    You will be kept busy with Thailand, because everything is different.
    The use of pesticides, which are no longer available in the EU.
    Where government officers have to witness OPEN drug burning.
    Where 4 people die from H2S, even the expert, in a sewer and the rest immediately runs after to investigate without even taking a gas test first, by an authorized person shielded by a gas mask.
    They did this later, unprotected, while a herd was already frolicking. Panic everywhere and everyone sent away again.

    • Hans Pronk says up

      I cannot quantify the effect of acidic water on taps. There will indeed be some metal dissolved in the water, but I expect that those faucets will last for many years. But it's just an expectation.
      It is a different story with lead or copper pipes. Then people can indeed ingest unwanted amounts of those metals. However, that is the case in Thailand, at least as far as I know. Those taps will only release minimal amounts of metal into the water.

  10. Erwin Fleur says up

    Dear Hans Pronk,

    I can make this whole story my own, but at the time without a water pump installation in the village
    I still had a problem with the skin on my head, the pieces of skin came to the holiday of my
    head and has undergone a month of molting that a snake does not know about.

    People said it must have been the hairdresser, but I was not convinced.
    My head felt like a billiard ball with hair.

    I don't know if this was too acidic water, but I "was" clean.

    Yours faithfully,

    Erwin

    • Jack S says up

      Also sounds like a strong sunburn.

  11. thallay says up

    clear and comprehensive story. We also have a well. We use the spring water for flushing the toilet, showering, cleaning and cooking. Never had any problems, we have been living here (Pattaya, dark side) for 5 years now. We don't drink it. A lot of skin irritation can also be caused by excessive use of soap during the
    excessive showering. I rarely use soap myself and I have not heard any complaints about my scent. And my skin is fine.

    • Chris from the village says up

      Well , one tolerates it and the other does not .
      This is because we all differ from each other
      and that's why you can't just bless,
      this water is good and this is not .
      I can just drink the rain water and it might make you sick .
      The same with ground water.
      I got rid of my eczema and you get one .
      Mai pen rai…..

    • Hans Pronk says up

      Any soap is bad for your skin and natural soap especially because it is alkaline. Fortunately, most people have no problem with it. My advice is to only soap up briefly and rinse well. The same applies to shampoo; I rinse my hair after a few seconds because shampoo is also bad for your scalp.


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