Articles from Thailandblog may not be reproduced without permission
The editors of Thailandblog have been informed that some Dutch websites about Thailand copy texts from Thailandblog without any permission from us. By doing so, they infringe the copyright of the author (the owner of the article).
To make it clear again that we don't want other websites to try to make a good impression with articles that our bloggers have been sweating over, we have placed the following text at the bottom of the left column of our homepage, so that from now on there is no ambiguity may exist about the rights of our authors/bloggers:
No part of this publication may be reproduced, stored in an automated retrieval system, or made public in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or otherwise, without the prior written permission of the author or publisher. .
Copyright © 2016 Thailandblog.nl
Calling our readers
In order not to endanger the survival of Thailandblog, which is run by volunteers, and not to reward these types of malicious websites for unauthorized copying of our articles, we urge our readers not to visit such websites. This will prevent such dishonorable practices from being perpetuated.
We would like to point out that our bloggers write exclusively for Thailandblog and do not want anything to do with such websites.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Editorial Thailandblog
You can count on my cooperation. There is not much good to be found on the internet outside of this blog anyway… if they are still so poor that they think they can copy everything without permission, it is very pathetic.
However, I think that your blog will hardly be in danger. There is no blog that takes care of its own blog as well as yours. We work professionally at a high level. We may not always agree on what is "off topic" or other content, but those are your rules and given the high number of visitors, they work fine.
Fair point!
Now I have to admit that I occasionally put an article mentioning Thailandblog.nl on my Facebook timeline. If the editors don't want that either, this won't happen again!
Dear Jan, that's fine. It is about a website that wants to show off other people's feathers. If the shoe fits, wear it.
Newspapers use the following guideline: about 25 words may be reproduced, then a link to the original title. Inframing is not allowed.
Some other sites:
Copying the entire article with source acknowledgment is only allowed if permission is granted.
That's right, copying is different from rewriting or making a summary.
Copying or copying 1 on 1 is not allowed.
But there is also such a thing as a right to quote, and I see articles appearing here almost daily based on the Bangkok Post or other media. They also have such a statement about copyright, but that is apparently no objection?
You are right, but we never post 1 on 1 copied articles from other sources. It has always been rewritten, sometimes translated and usually a summary plus acknowledgment. That is fundamentally different and often allowed under copyright (although it is a gray area). The conscious website in question copied articles from Thailandblog and pretended that they came from its own editorial staff. Articles by our bloggers were also copied without permission, such as the file for Belgians on which Lung Addie worked hard. Of course that is not possible.
Right message, Thailandblog. I think it is journalistically correct to mention the site in question here. Now, in fact, all other nl-sites about Thailand have been charged.
Dear Jos, no, deliberately not. That would only be advertising for that website. Anyone who does not take over articles from Thailandblog without permission does not have to feel addressed.
I would just say:
“Notify us if you see a message, which is believed to have been copied from us, so that we can bill that organization for the use of our text.
So… visit these kinds of websites as much as possible: if the message matches: copy it to us”.
I really like your blog. If one copies that, it shows ignorance of others. If all goes well, you won't move and this blog can sometimes be put in the spotlight.
It is a pity that this cannot be said of some people who comment, including Bram, with a statement such as “go back immediately, the Thai will not miss you! Bram ” This one looks like a drunk and ignorant reader who wants to stand out.
Fortunately, this blog is much better than his statement.
Thank you very much for your excellent work and that this site has already helped me a lot is certain.
Sincerely, a loyal reader
Antoine
Google penalizes plagiarism.
However, there are plenty of programs that find out if something is plagiarism if you want to publish something. Google does this automatically and very thoroughly and has special algorithms for this.
The result is that plagiarism ends up in the sandbox and is no longer found. Plagiarism punishes itself.
On the other hand, you can already have an article professionally rewritten for USD 5 or have the text rewritten by one of the many rewriting programs that can be found for free on the internet.
In fact, most websites are copies of other sites. The information is simply taken from the internet and rewritten.
The annoying thing about most websites is that they are almost all travel sites.
Real information is often hard to find.
Beats. You can even report it to Google via webmaster tools. A website therefore benefits little from stealing articles, because I assume they do not want a penalty.
I think it happens out of jealousy or because they themselves are not able to write a decent article.
Probably not entirely coincidentally, I am also somewhat annoyed by the unbridled cutting and pasting hobby of the presumably intended Blogger, and I was about to point this out to the Thailandblog editors yesterday.
However, (until yesterday) the logo of 'Creative Commons' was on this blog in the left-hand column, with a click through to those rules, which do allow integral copying, albeit with mention of and reference to the source. Although the supposedly intended Blogger does not usually mention a source, he could therefore continue, just adding the source.
That seemed more like an encouragement to continue with it, so I left it for what it was.
The text that has been placed with effect from today is therefore not to 'make anything clear again', but is an important change.
Up to and including yesterday - except for not stating the source - no copyright has been infringed on anyone.
The Creative Commons license is about fair sharing. In itself we had no problem with that if the conditions were adhered to. This concerns mentioning the name of the author and the source, not changing anything in the article, clearly stating that it concerns an copied article and the article may not be used for commercial purposes. Failure to comply with these conditions is copyright infringement and that is what happened.
Because the website in question did not comply with the rules of the Creative Commons, we asked the owner months ago to stop using it. So he didn't. Then we don't have to remove Creative Commons and make it clear that we don't want that.
Not mentioning the source should not be trivialized, that is of course the most important part of Creative Commons.
I can find myself fine with that. If someone, even with some regularity, copies an article with source reference and link, there is nothing wrong with that in principle.
In the present case, however, it is getting out of hand (it is not acceptable) and seems to be an end in itself.
Then the strings have to be held a bit tighter or the thumbscrews have to be tightened a bit more.
Haha yes. Showing off someone else's feathers (running away with someone else's ideas, showing off something of someone else's self, or gaining honor or fame with someone else's work)
Very nice! That way you don't have to name names and yet everyone knows who you mean! Smart!
Might also be good to clarify that. It was not about copying an article once, but to systematically copy 3 to 4 articles from Thailand blog every day. As you say, it has become an end in itself.
Creative Commons is of course a beautiful thing, although I must admit that I have no idea what exactly was written here on TB about distributing pieces. Common decency and common sense should be common to most people anyway. If you run a website and you come across beautiful pieces from others, you should handle it properly. Sometimes copy a piece in its entirety, but with source reference and link (people are lazy, so make sure they can get the original with 1-2 clicks). Sometimes copy some sentences or a paragraph and refer to the source, sometimes translate a piece from someone else or word it differently or summarize it and again refer neatly to the source, etc.
Just cutting and pasting, even with acknowledgment of the source, I don't think is possible. After all, the original website also incurs costs and also needs visitors (and therefore advertising income or simply numbers of visitors, which the web host is also happy to pay for everything out of its own pocket).
Just common decency and honestly sharing all the beautiful things people make so that more people become aware of a certain work and possibly become a little wiser. It goes without saying that there should be no commercial interest. I don't think there's anything to be said against working in a selfless and decent manner. The site in question clearly did not.
Completely correct and rightly so! Copyright must be respected, that happens worldwide.
Unfortunately, it happens on a large scale that sites of amateurs copy articles unauthorized, shame!
The least one could do is a CLEAR acknowledgment of the source, and a "thanks to"!
But alas: creative poverty leads to theft and plagiarism…
Thailandblog is a serious site, with useful information, and of a high level! And that cannot be said of everyone… I continue to enjoy reading Thailand every day.
Great idea, we will definitely work on it
best regards Andy and Neng
Cutting and pasting with or without acknowledgment of the source is simply not possible if the author has not given permission. We call this theft or plagiarism.
That there are sites that work as a kind of start / reference page should be possible. Say a site about travel, Asia or whatever and then briefly post a few lines of beautiful pieces on other sites and a link for people who want to read more on the site of the rightful author. That way you can discover fun new sites that you might otherwise have missed.
Furthermore, Thailandblog is almost unique in its kind. I don't even know any English-language sites with so many different topics and depth about Thailand / Asia. For example, I enjoy Tino's in-depth writings, would like to read more, but despite the fact that there are many millions of people with English as their native language and millions more with English as a second language, I cannot find an English language site or blog about Thailand of this size and depth…
After reading everything with due attention, here's this.
This blog is indeed the absolute top in terms of information and reporting. Several times I have been able to help friends and acquaintances with their questions, and personally I have already found wonderful information here.
Passing on this information via normal personal mail will most likely not be a problem at all.
However, is it allowed, provided the source is acknowledged, to pass on some important info to small forums that depend on some person who usually doesn't even reside in Thailand, but tries to be informative?
Best regards and sincere thanks for this blog.
Dear Bona, that is now only allowed after permission.
Great Khan Peter,
Is there also a simple explanation how to request this permission?
Dear thanks.
To contact us: https://www.thailandblog.nl/contact/
A Dutch-language internet medium reacts as if bitten by a grizzly bear to Thailandblog's announcement today. Then words come down to 'destroy' and 'jealousy'. It looks like a confession, if I may say so.
I think it shows poverty or serious laziness in an internet world that is bursting with information about Thailand and the region.
And what's wrong with giving a short description and then posting the link? This can be done on the basis of reciprocity and if that reciprocity is requested but not given, and that happens, I know as a blog owner, then you don't do it either: you don't take anything and you don't give anything away.
I would rather post less for a day, or spend a day thinking about a good piece and then being able to respect the rights of others, than stealing something. Putting “Die Fahne Hoch” at someone else's expense is not a good thing.
I don't know any better than getting my information about visas, marrying a thai and other thai related articles here from this blog, so my blessing to you, keep it up you are doing a great job and very informative.. and above all helpful .
Dear readers,
At first I thought not to respond to this article, but I feel compelled to do so. The reader may know the background of this justified article. It was Lung Addie who rang the bell for the cat.
This week I received a message from Khun Peter that part 5 of the deregistration file had been published on Thailandblog. Less than an hour later, Lung Addie received an email from Ronny, the immigration file manager, that my article had already been published on another blog, with a link to this blog. Lung addie had never heard of this blog. So, Thailandblog's ink had not yet dried properly or the article had already been taken over by someone else, without prior notification from the author.
When I started reading on the website in question, I found that it was indeed “my” text, but that changes, sentences had been added and there were even errors! Under the article it was indeed stated: “source Thailandblog.nl Lung Addie”, but no link to the Thailandblog.
What grieved me most were the changes that were made. You cannot put my name under it if the original text was not respected, then this is no longer “my” text. I assume that the other 4 previous articles of this file were also copied by the blog in question.
Lung addie informed Khun Peter of this incident and got an honest response from Khun Peter. I also informed the owner of the relevant blog that I was not happy with this state of affairs because I write my articles for Thailandblog. Anyone can read it, that's the intention, by the way, but just messing around with it, I can't agree with that.
The writers of the blog, the file managers, put a lot of time and energy into compiling a good file or writing a good article. They do this completely selflessly and without any form of compensation of any kind. A little respect for their “work” is therefore only an elementary form of courtesy.
It took three months to write out the file. All texts, infos, legislation, regulations…. was verified by several people, including Ronny, my sister in Belgium (working at an international law firm)… so several people put their time into it and then it is just taken over and changed by someone else who does nothing for it. Where is the respect for other people's work?
For me this incident is closed,
thanks to Khun Peter for the support he gives to his “writers”
Lung addie
Just one more question for clarity.
If a random person posts an article from this blog on another media, is this person at fault? Or is it other media at fault for not adequately monitoring the placements?
Both, but the administrator of those other media will be addressed.
This is a sensible discussion on Thailand bog. As it should. Everyone agrees with the statement taken by Thailand blog. Fortunately.
Thailand blog is a very serious site, informative, with depth, also with humor. And in any case a site that is well guarded by the administrator as it should be. You know your responsibility, and check every post before it is posted. That's professionalism. Compliment! And carry on!
Good that you have now blocked plagiarism and theft.
If that other site had any decency, and any respect for others and other people's property, they would have done this in a different way, with clear acknowledgment and/or a link to your site. Unfortunately, decency is sometimes very far from it…
It's a shame this has to come this far. Everyone does it for Thailand and the people who live there, work or just love Thailand.
Incidentally, the person referred to here (and is actually the only one who adds contributions to his own blog) is active under many names. Even on Thailandblog. The most famous name is JP (I only mention the initials)
An article of my hand has also been placed on …… without my necessary permission or permission from the blog administrator.
Most of my articles take me 2-3 days and sometimes more. Usually there is a lot of study involved. I'm not easily satisfied Just taking over feels like theft. The articles are my property and I do what I want with them. What's so hard about just asking?
Indeed Tina,
And that is also what Lung Addie and others have on the stomach.
It's not so much that the article appears elsewhere.
It's just about respect.