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Home » Thailand in general » Minister Koolmees scraps part of the integration exam
Minister Koolmees scraps part of the integration exam
The civic integration exam for foreigners coming to the Netherlands will be shortened. From now on, newcomers no longer need to have a final interview about the 'Orientation on the Dutch Labor Market' (ONA) component, writes the ONGOING.
Minister Koolmees has decided to do this because there is a shortage of examiners and the waiting time for the final interview has risen to fifteen weeks. In order to be allowed to skip the ONA final interview, people integrating must be able to demonstrate that they have followed at least 64 hours of education for that component.
The current integration exam consists of six parts:
- write
- Read
- Listening
- To speak
- Knowledge of Dutch Society
- Orientation on the Dutch Labor Market.
Newcomers have three years to fulfill their civic integration obligation.
What nonsense that they have to prove that they have had 64 hours of training, my girlfriend has been working almost from day 1 that she is in the Netherlands and has already had 3 jobs without any problems.
So… you are Syrian / Iraqi / wherever-ever-from, construction worker, mechanic, metal or woodworker, electrician, etc., people are in NL to jump you, can still get started this afternoon. With your English you can make yourself understood very well, but ... YOU WILL first learn Kloperian and everything you need to enter the Dutch labor market in due course, even if that takes 2 to 3 years and your skills are partly gone ...
A few years ago… when the Koepelgevangenis in Breda was still an AZC, we could place more than 100 men in less than an hour, but… we were not allowed. Then bring Poles, Romanians, Bulgarians here.
Do you get it? Not me !
As if the latter groups can read and write Dutch and knowledge of the Ned. have society.
Both in Germany and in the Netherlands, more than 90% of Sieriers still receive benefits after 5 years, and the rest have very small jobs (delivery of newspapers, etc.). The reason: Inadequate language skills (so no English) and an education that is far too low (usually only primary school).
People are desperate for good workers in the Netherlands and Germany, but apparently these population groups do not meet the minimum requirements, whether they are integrated or not.
Do you have a source for those numbers? They are quite special. For example, the Syrian asylum seekers only peaked in 2013 from 2015. The processing time for the asylum application was many months to a year. As long as that procedure is running, they are not allowed to work. Many Syrians will therefore not have a residence permit for 5 years. You can only really say something after someone has had a residence permit for about 3-5 years. It is still too early to say anything about most Syrians.
We do see differences from the past, for example, 50% of people from Somalia receive social assistance (70% if you look at nationality, but then you do not count the naturalized) but it is more favorable for Iraqis and Iranians.
“Partly because of their start as refugees in the Netherlands, people from the refugee groups are often dependent on social assistance benefits. This even applies to half of the Somali first generation. Of the refugee groups, persons of Afghan and Iranian origin are least likely to depend on assistance, although this still accounts for a quarter of them.”
See, among others:
http://www.cbs.nl/NR/rdonlyres/4735C2F5-C2C0-49C0-96CB-0010920EE4A4/0/jaarrapportintegratie2014pub.pdf
http://www.flipvandyke.nl/2015/03/volkskrant-knoeit-met-cijfers-van-allochtonen-en-buitenlanders/
Do you have a source or research result? Instead of mood-mongering, come up with facts first and only then join the conversation.
Unbelievable. Completely incapable management. Isn't it strange that there are so many exam requests after the boom in asylum applications has been processed. Surely this should have been anticipated by recruiting extra examiners in good time!
Also a nice signal to all those who recently had to take that ONA exam and also have to pay!
But yes, those are mainly people who want their relationship to happen. And who, unlike the asylum seekers, have to pay for everything themselves…
I don't understand that last paragraph that (the people who recently had to take that ONA exam and also have to pay,) are mainly people who want their relationship to happen. Surely people who want their partner to come over do not have to integrate themselves?
Incidentally, I have a court case pending, partly because of the discriminatory nature of and the effect of the integration law. In particular, about the fact that asylum seekers receive a loan from the DUO to pay for the integration process and do not have to repay it, while others do have to repay it.
Indeed, it was somewhat cryptically described. The foreign partner takes the civic integration exam, but often the person who brings him/her to the Netherlands will pay the costs.
By the way, Frans Nico, I share your opinion about the unequal treatment of asylum seekers compared to others regarding not having to repay the loan. Even if asylum seekers could easily do so if they had a job, there is no repayment obligation.
Not to mention the actual lack of sanction options if asylum seekers do not obtain their diploma within the set time limits. They cannot be sent back and fines can often not be collected if there is sufficient income.
It is therefore not surprising that the percentage of people who obtain the civic integration diploma within the set period is considerably lower among asylum seekers than among the other categories.
The Hague once again ignored the signals from society and now they are coming up with a kind of solution. Many complaints about the fiddling at DUO could already be found on the Foreign Partner Forum. Long waiting times, an exam that can actually be checked in a few minutes, not transparent (no insight into the assessment or your own exam) and of course the nonsense of letting someone with a job take time off to do an ONA interview…:
See ao:
https://buitenlandsepartner.nl/showthread.php?66054-Oriëntatie-op-de-Nederlandse-arbeidsmarkt-de-ervaring
https://buitenlandsepartner.nl/showthread.php?65368-Petitie-tegen-de-lange-wachttijden-bij-DUO-inburgeringsexamens
https://buitenlandsepartner.nl/showthread.php?66435-DUO-ergernis-wachttijden-ONA
But Rutte (and Balkelende before him) felt the panting from the right down his neck, so since the beginning of this century it has had to be stricter, stricter, more red tape, more costly and these are passed on to our foreign partners who have to jump through all those hoops. That there is a bar to keep 'work shy scum' behind the rags or to ensure that foreign ladies and gentlemen do not end up three high behind, fine. But the current immigration and integration policy has been a pathetic show for the stage for years.
NB see also:
https://www.thailandblog.nl/nieuws-nederland-belgie/kritiek-taaldocenten-op-inburgeringscursus/
https://www.thailandblog.nl/opinie/extra-eisen-inburgering-betutteling-ten-top/
Totally agree with your conclusions! At the time, when the civic integration course was still given by the municipality, the level of teaching was already not there, but since the privatization it has often not improved. It is big business involving a lot of money. Civic integration requirements only apply to certain groups, but not to immigrants from Turkey and Eastern European countries, for example. All political and the real integration seems less and less important than being realized.
Incidentally, I wholeheartedly welcome the decision to (permanently) delete this exam component!
This policy was therefore originally drawn up to stop imported brides and grooms from Turkey and Morocco. This has also failed miserably: According to an old treaty, no requirements may be imposed on Turkey, and in Morocco you have a large number of schools and agencies that you, with a little goodwill on your part and a minimum of intelligence, can be guided by the “integration into the help abroad.
Native Dutch people outside Europe are then the victims of this policy (read the harrowing stories on foreignpartner.nl)
Very strange this Great Tit, so a shortage of examiners??? In my opinion, of the 6 skills mentioned, 3 can be checked in writing. How many people of age with a decent education sit at home twiddling their thumbs?????
First of all, I would like to state that Rita has rightly introduced an integration obligation and not because she is related to me. The problem is that politicians take ad hoc decisions, the effect of which is beyond the control of the government.
My wife came to the Netherlands 7 years ago. In the first years she was not in the circumstances to follow an integration course. When she could start with it, we started gathering information. Because she had come to the Netherlands before 1-1-2013, she had to go to the municipality, according to DUO. The municipality pointed us back to DUO. We were sent from pillar to post several times. For cases before 1-1-2013, the DUO website states “the municipality can help you further”. The municipality stated that it “can” but does not have to. In addition, the municipality stated that as of that date all government payments to the municipality for integration have stopped and that therefore the municipality does nothing more than check.
We then threw in the towel and waited. Two years ago, so 5 years after arriving in the Netherlands, she received a decision that she must take the exam within a certain period. We objected to this and had a discussion with the municipality that led to a longer period. It was striking that the official had the file with all the problems. My wife is now, after 7 years, almost ready to take the exam. We're not worried. If she takes the exam 4 times without passing, she gets an exemption.
Last year we also lodged an appeal against a decision by DUO. In that appeal we also argued that my wife is being discriminated against by the government as a result of the integration law. Article 1 of the Constitution prohibits discrimination. However, unlike in most EU countries, the courts in the Netherlands are not allowed to test regular laws against the constitution, including Article 1. There has been a bill since 2002 to test laws against the constitution, but that is in a deep drawer, all the way at the bottom. DUO also referred to that testing ban. I have argued that the court is allowed to test whether the effect of a law is discriminatory. I received a willing ear for this, because the judge wanted to find out whether she has that authority. There is therefore a chance that the court will be able to do that discrimination test. If the court comes to the conclusion that the elaboration of the Civic Integration Act is contrary to Article 1 of the Constitution, then the entire integration process is under threat. So now it's twiddling your thumbs.
That's right Nico. Before the end of 2012, quite a few municipalities had no money left for integration. After 31/12/12 they were only responsible for supervising people who came before 1/1/13 (those migrants are covered by DUO). Some municipalities still have a jar, that is determined by the municipality itself. Usually this is only for people who do not have to integrate, such as Turks. Policy therefore differs per municipality.
I think our government should make a difference between asylum seekers/refugees and immigrants with a Dutch partner.
That the immigrants with a Dutch partner have to take an exam in the country of origin I can still justify, in my opinion this also prevents sham relationships, but once here these immigrants receive nothing from the government at all and that is not necessary because the Dutch partner already signs in the IND papers for guarantee in the broadest sense of the word.
If the relationship ends, the Dutch partner must report this to the IND, after which it can proceed to deportation or impose other obligations on the immigrant.
I also think that the Dutch partner is very capable of showing his foreign partner around in our country, how public transport works, learning to speak Dutch, how to find work here, etc.
this in contrast to asylum seekers/refugees who do not have 1 on 1 guidance and do not have a guarantor.