I hate people like…..
More than a month of Thailand and Cambodia has passed and we have to get used to the Dutch climate again. My thoughts about my past trip are still swirling through my head and plans to escape the coming winter period are already starting to take shape.
Yet something completely different is playing through my mind, namely the subject of discrimination. To be very clear, I am not a racist, but during the last trip I hated especially men from India. I once did some juggling on the internet about the subject of discrimination and came across the following quote: 'The word discrimination comes from Latin and literally means making a distinction. Making prohibited distinctions can lead to people being disadvantaged. Because of their ethnic background, skin color, religion, political or other opinion, gender, sexual orientation, age, disability, chronic illness, or for any other reason. These characteristics are called grounds for discrimination. Discrimination is prohibited in the Netherlands. That is stated in Article 1 of the Constitution, among other things.'
I wholeheartedly agree, but the words 'or for another reason' made me doubt for a moment. In my single household, there is a framed old advertising poster in the kitchen that reads, "Look how white VIM cleans everything." Once bought at an auction because I thought it was a funny poster without any discriminatory background. The words 'Look how white' or the 'Black Pete' phenomenon have never given me the slightest feeling of discrimination.
Ethnic background and skin color no problem at all and interesting to meet people, religion and politics wonderful to discuss with respect to each other, sexual orientation no problem and I can only show sympathy for the further examples given. I'm not racist in the slightest. Yet this holiday I have come to dislike the many Indians who stayed at my hotel in Pattaya. In the morning at breakfast a lot of screaming and that is just such a moment to relax after waking up. Couldn't resist asking the gentlemen to converse a little less loudly or to continue the conversation - read shouting - elsewhere after they had eaten. For two minutes the tone was somewhat more subdued, but soon again a great noise. Furthermore, the group hangs in the hall of the hotel or sit on the stairs at the entrance. In short, I will avoid this hotel in the future. Add right away that I have also met very decent families from India whom I hold in high esteem and had nice conversations with.
But we Westerners are not a widely respected people abroad either. Sitting at a table near a bar, I also asked a man, dressed in shorts and bare-chested, who sat next to me to put on a shirt, which was totally ignored. Then I got up myself. I also think that men parading down the street with a bare upper body is totally inappropriate and I like to ignore it. I may be somewhat critical, but I also avoid men who are having breakfast or in a restaurant with a cap on at the table. Yes, people like that are on my personal discrimination list. Strange that men appear on this list a lot more often than women.
To finish: at the Beergarden Sukhumvit Soi 11 in Bangkok there was hardly a free table. Suddenly a man stands up and asks to join him. Shakes hands and introduces herself as Abduhlla from Dubai. In short, we had a very nice conversation and drank a good glass of wine together. That also works!
Have experienced some things in the past with people with the Indian nationality.
Although I have visited the country in the past and had no problems at all, I must say that a few years later a few things occurred that made me think.
the first incident was in the airport of Bangkok where an Indian man behaved very arrogantly towards other travelers, the second incident was in a hotel in Bangkok where I stayed with my wife (Thai°)
I was having a drink with her in the lobby , when I was approached by a group of middle - aged Indian men who also stayed there , after a short introduction and an exchange of pleasantries I was asked how and where I could find my wife . had come to know , the way she was talked about made me suspect that they assumed that my wife worked in a certain sector , (my wife looks very dignified and has an honorable profession .)
when I asked what he meant he asked what I had paid for her! the further course of the conversation showed that there was little respect for women, my wife had followed the conversation with increasing indignation and decided to leave because she could no longer listen to it.
Respect for the opposite sex seems to me to be an issue for Indian men .
Dear Steff, I assume that by Indian men you mean Indian men, as people associate Indian with Indonesian people in the corridors.
I haven't seen that much in Thailand, only when I look in the mirror.
Ralph
My son-in-law worked for a Dutch company
After being taken over by a company from India – without any
Decency fired and was told they prefer people from india and not white dutch people
Take on more
Very often glowingly agree with you
Don't you mean "Indian men" or men from India? “Indonesian men” or better Indonesians (there is also a difference between them) come from Indonesia.
You've come to hate many Indians. I wonder were they Hindus or Muslims?
If you stay in a better hotel, you will also meet Indians who know how to behave. You must have stayed in Nana area in a 1000 baht hotel per night?
Better read Jan, I was in Pattaya in a very decent hotel. For Nana you have to go to Bangkok.
Dear Joseph,
then you haven't experienced a 'gang' of Chinese yet.
In a hotel in Chiang Maai, I just had to wait until the gang had 'eaten' breakfast before we could have breakfast.
It was a buffet breakfast and they literally raided it. Even the trolley, with which the food was brought to replenish the buffet, had difficulty leaving the kitchen and was already attacked at the door.
Just throw garbage on the floor, spit…. not granting passage to other people… that was commonplace for them. A lot of noise…. scoop a plate full of it, taste it and then put it aside and fill a new one ……
I'm not a racist either, but you don't see me in a hotel where people like this stay anymore.
Just go to China. The same thing happens there.
Been there and not just as a tourist.
Have worked in Hong Kong airport for radio measurements….
Working with Chinese: just MISSING….
Dear Joseph,
I understand your annoyances, but asking someone to put on a shirt is going a bit too far for me. I would personally leave that to the staff, and if they don't do anything about it, then it is indeed up to you to sit somewhere else.
There is a car rental company in Pattaya with a very large sign on which is written in cow(s) letters:
No Shirt, No Service.
It couldn't be clearer
Dear Rudolf, if such a figure takes place next to me, this is, in my civilized opinion, downright rude and I have the right to say something about it.
I'm not saying you have no right to say anything about it either, I'm saying I personally wouldn't, that's all.
Men are somewhat more common on your list than women? Personally, I see a lot more women in Pattaya who are dressed on the verge of vulgar than men. You probably don't need a drawing.
I'm not even talking about the behavior of many women in bars and entertainment venues.
But I understand better than anyone that you feel this is much less disturbing. Personally, if I had such a problem with that, I would ignore Pattaya as a holiday destination.
Fred I think this is short sighted.
first of all you look for this on (patong or walkingstreet)then you know it.
But if you walk outside these areas, nothing is wrong.
A few years ago I visited Ayuttaya, when walking through that complex you are asked to cover your body as a woman and a man, I see about 4 white people walking without covering clothing, a shirt and very shorts, I walk after it Then I happened to be Dutch people that they had to cover up in terms of clothing in a very normal tone, maybe they didn't know, well I got all kinds of curses at my head and she decided that herself.
I said then only you come here she did not fish for you adapt.
Speaking of negative Dutch people.
When I first flew as a flight attendant I hated Indian people. Back then (in the 80s) we flew via Mumbai (then Bombay) to Singapore and via New Delhi to Hong Kong. In our overnight hotels, became nervous at the slavish behavior of the staff and angry at the arrogant Indian guests. I once stood there waiting for the elevator, the door opened, a group came running in and closed the door, and I was able to wait for the elevator again for five minutes. I was furious.
Also on the plane the Indian guests were not my favorite guests. On the flights to and from Hong Kong we often had large groups flying to Hong Kong, collected there and flew back on the next flight with stereo equipment and televisions and other goods, which they then delivered to India. They earned something with this and these people were often illiterate people from the poorer layers of India. We had to bring along an Indian employee who told them how to use a western toilet.
But later I got Indian colleagues. I can only say, fantastic people. I had so many fun flights with them and I became friends with many of them. Almost all of them were colleagues who had studied in India, were intelligent, polite and funny. Very different from most Indian people I had met. They gave me a completely different view of India. A good friend from Bangalore explained a lot to me and now most Indian people can do no wrong as far as I am concerned. They are loud, swear like the best in India, but often have hearts of gold.
You have to get to know them… but that is probably the case with most nationalities….
In my opinion, there are three factors at play that can explain the degree of annoyance:
1. different habits (what is normal to others may seem strange or rude to us);
2. the person is alone or with a family group (including children) or you are dealing with groups of foreigners (whether or not traveling together). In a group, people tend to go beyond themselves, or rather, to be themselves. As an individual you tend to adapt more (to the majority).
3. place and time: on holiday and at a holiday destination you behave differently than at home (I don't go on holiday with a long book, shirt and tie if everyone is wearing a polo shirt and neat shorts) or in your own hometown; in the summer on a hot evening in Corsica different than in the winter in the Netherlands.
(Definitely) Unknown habits of foreigners (which are 'misinterpreted'), in groups at times and places you don't expect (eg breakfast in the morning) then, I think, caused the most annoyance.
We can analyze as the best, show understanding for too, but rude remains rude.
It has nothing to do with color or culture.
It has to do with respect and education
Dear Khan Tak,
You are an example of a culturally insensitive person.
What YOU think is rude, doesn't necessarily apply to someone else. the behavior can be different, but before judging it is good to check whether the behavior means the same thing.
Let me clarify it with an example. Years ago, 6 directors of Chinese secondary schools (each with about 15.000 students) visited the university where I worked in the Netherlands. Because the university also had 24 rooms (for practical purposes), these directors also stayed with us. After a good breakfast, these gentlemen all started to burp loudly and loudly. Rude in our opinion, but a sincere sign that the breakfast was excellent from the Chinese.
It seems to me that this is not so much about discrimination, but about a judgment about behavior. Undesired behavior is disturbing whoever exhibits that behavior. Origin or skin color makes little difference.
Discrimination.
Think India has turned discrimination into a cult…
Caste system is the name of this cult.
Discrimination in pure form..
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastenstelsel
Pieter, India did not invent the caste system. India has only existed since 1947, the end of The British Raj. You yourself provide a wiki link in which something of that system is explained and when you visit the site of myhimalaya.be, a travel site, you see how long India has been occupied by many invaders of all kinds and religions.
The caste system is maintained; not by the law, but by the people themselves. With the fanatical Hindu party BJP in power, Muslims who have fled since Bangladesh's war of independence (formerly O-Pakistan, 1971) are treated less kindly and their nationality papers are refused or questioned. This is particularly the case in the Assam-Manipur-Nagaland region. Strange, because India is home to 220+ million Muslims.
India will have the largest population in 10 to 20 years, 1,4 to 1,5 billion, and will overtake China.
I was born long before the woke period and the writer probably much earlier and even then you don't have to explain at the beginning of the story that you're not a racist?
As far as I know, the writer is a lover of the good life and that includes food and drink and perhaps also Indian cuisine. Not everyone will serve the tastiest Indian food and so it is with people from that country and hopefully you can still show that and let's not get carried away with the tender souls hype. That too is part of respecting an opinion.