Suthep thinks Emergency is ridiculous
“Is there an emergency in this country? We have been protesting for three months. Why is a state of emergency being declared now?' Action leader Suthep Thaugsuban does not understand what prompted the government to declare a state of emergency for Bangkok and parts of three surrounding provinces.
In a speech at the action stage in Pathumwan last night, he said that the actions will continue and that any orders given will be ignored. "We do whatever they forbid us to do."
According to an army source, the armed forces did not object to the declaration of a state of emergency when the Center for the Administration of Peace and Order (Capo), which is responsible for security measures, met yesterday. "The military understands that the police need resources to enforce the law rigorously." In addition, weapons and explosives have been found to have been brought to Bangkok.
Although Army Commander Prayuth Chan-ocha and Commander-in-Chief Tanasak Patimapragorn did not attend the Capo meeting, they spoke privately with Prime Minister Yingluck. According to the source, the army will not crack down on the demonstrators.
According to Paradorn Pattanatabut, secretary general of the National Security Council, the grenade attacks on Friday and Sunday prompted the government to take this step. The authorities are also concerned that violence will increase in the run-up to the elections on February 2.
Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul, Chief Capo, says the state of emergency helps authorities enforce the law. Quote: 'The emergency ordinance also enables the democratic process to move forward.' Surapong promised that the government will not use force to break up the protest.
Suthep doubts that. “We are unarmed,” he says. "So the violence must come from the government." He told the demonstrators: "Those who are afraid of being arrested had better go home."
Opposition leader Abhisit wonders whether the government will use force against the demonstrators. He would have liked it better if the government had increased security forces to ensure security.
More later today in Bangkok Breaking News. Also see State of emergency declared for Bangkok en Bangkok Breaking News Jan 21.
(Source: bangkok mail, January 22, 2014)
A state of emergency is NOT being declared because the demonstrations are taking so long, but IS because – in addition to the two grenade incidents in recent weeks that killed and injured – there are clear indications that armed people are on their way from neighboring countries (particularly Laos and Cambodia). to Bangkok (or may already be there) to kick rubbish.
The top officer of the navy wonders (in the Bangkok Post) what the police are actually doing to stop these gangs. To ask the question is also to answer it: very little, although the police apparently – just like the army officer – are aware of it. It shows – in my opinion – once again how corrupt and incompetent the police are in this country. I have memorized the words of a red shirt leader for a few weeks: we would rather have a coup than have demonstrators in power. And also the words of Commander-in-Chief Prayuth: the military is not the one saying that the Yingluck government should resign. Here's the stalemate.
Incidentally, Suthep laughs up his sleeve with the declaration of a state of emergency for 60 days. You can say that this is not a normal situation in which fair elections can take place on February 2.
Moderator: don't just comment on each other, but on the article.
The official powers 'restore order'.
The unofficial forces 'pedal rubbish'.
Until the roles reverse.
Moderator: please don't chat.
One of the measures of the state of emergency is banning foreigners from leaving the country. (“to prohibit any alien from leaving the country”) Huh? That would mean that not a single tourist can go home for the next 60 days. Brilliant way to pimp up the hotel occupancy rate a bit.
Bit xenophobic? Because nowhere does it say: to prohibit anyThai national from leaving the country.
I think it is a translation error or interpretation error by the BP. How can you ban foreigners from leaving the country for 2 months?
It is actually the second half of a sentence, because in fact it says in English that the declaration of a state of emergency by the outgoing government allows the PM to prohibit a foreigner from leaving Thailand. Okay a joke should be possible.
Declaring a state of emergency adds fuel to the fire of the opponents, and keeps the dialogue far from parties. A state of emergency has no democratic content whatsoever. In itself this cannot be otherwise in TH, because: you have to learn democracy. Don't blow up, and you won't get a gift. Democracy is not a natural phenomenon, nor is it innate. It is neither instinctive nor intuitive. Democracy is materially seen as a form of government with all kinds of agreed structures. If you as a nation can adhere to those structures, it can bring prosperity and well-being. Intangible, democracy is an attitude, an attitude, a state of mind, and a sense of the agreed upon relations.
Which will mean that many Thai people will have to find the willingness to invest in their country in the long term. In doing so, refrain from short-term thinking and ditto satisfaction. People will have to learn to think in broader structures. It means looking around one should be able to see that one's efforts are paying off. Together please Thai as a people, from the bottom up, tear down the old structures, and put in new ones. A few simple conditions about which until now hardly a word has been spoken by TH politicians. Learning becomes the new adage. No more: Listen to the boss.
There is no Handbook for Democracy, which contains a chapter on Thailand. The Thai should do it themselves, and please look within themselves. Example: a structure to be broken down, also an automatism to be banished from the hearts of the Thai people, is the almost universally accepted tendency to corruption. Gonna be really hard!
TH has no democratic tradition, has always been governed in a feudal manner, and the interests of the richest group predominate. The purpose of schools and temples is to make people realize and accept their subordinate place in society. Political awareness is not appreciated. I recently read in the Bangkok Post a defense from a professor at Chulalongkorn University against a strange idea among Democrats that the principle of 'one man one vote' could not be an issue. Being major payers to the tax authorities, 'one man more votes' was considered more applicable. Talking about democratic consciousness among the 'upper class'. But yes, TH does have more variations on generally accepted themes. Organizing society horizontally: an immensely difficult job!
So it's all going to take a while. If one wants to understand current processes, look at what is going on without the tendency to frame events, whose effects or outcomes no one can imagine, in our Western democratic system.
In fact, I believe that it cannot be found in the entire ZOA region. If you also include China in this, you will not see any democracy based on Western principles. You could even say that countries in East Asia have managed to achieve their own form of Eastern democracy. With a number of achievements in it: a relatively predictable and transparent administration, a functioning legal order with equal treatment in principle for everyone, and a more equal distribution of income and remuneration. TH will have to put more than its hand to the team to realize these 3 principles.
If making an early start with these 3 changes and reforms were to succeed in TH in the coming years, then people will be well on their way. Brings a lot of peace. TH would do well to see its participation in the AEC from 2015 as a reason to indeed bring that peace, to close ranks and to reform. It's waiting for the moment.
There's talk of smuggling in a few guns. In one of the largest cities in the world?
Give me a break!!!!
The state of emergency in Bangkok and some surrounding provinces only means that foreigners who actively participate in protest movements can be expelled from the country.
For years I have had a Thai girlfriend who explains to me what is currently happening here..... Suthep has 1000 euros per day for every protest in Bangkok, but they have to hand in their ID card or pass to get their money back the next day... .. In fact the poor naive people are being held hostage by a rich thai who has his palm oil fields in the south and is otherwise only hungry for power….. The opposition off Thaksin but there both the same…..
Moderator, can this be done in understandable Dutch? Also talked to protesters, but no one told me to get money in exchange for his ID card!
Dear Karel,
I have not read anywhere in the above article (news) that the demonstrators get paid.
I have not read anywhere in any news reports that protesters get paid.
I've spoken to a lot of protesters and they don't get any money.
I have often seen that demonstrators pay to finance the demonstrations and this has also been frequently captured by photographers.
So it's exactly the opposite of what your girlfriend said...
If you were right, all the money would have been gone after a week.
I think it is very important that people give their opinion on facts to keep this blog as reliable as possible.
You can read a lot of facts on this blog.
I write this piece mainly to protect new blog readers from misinformation.
greetings from Danny
@ Karel and Danny As far as I know, volunteer employees receive a modest daily allowance. There are also soup kitchens where people get free food and drinking water. That demonstrators are paid seems unlikely to me given the large numbers that come in the evening. Paying them off alone would require a gigantic operation.
@Karel@Danny@Dick: Acquaintances of ours who participate in the demonstrations tell us, and this is widely seen on TV, that many from and in the crowd 'donate' in large bags and bags, the costs of which are paid. When Suthep walks through the streets, men follow in his wake with those bags and bumps. They collect quite a lot. You can also see how people put money in Suthep's hands, which money he then deposits in those pockets and bumps. He is certainly careful not to lose himself with that money. As a result of another posting I have tried to give an outline of who participates in the demonstrations, and how they pay for it. They are average to well-to-do, and financially (very) well off.
Of course you can question everything like @Karel does, everyone should know for themselves, not interesting in itself. You will eventually miss the boat, but oh, maybe he doesn't want to come? Best helmsmen are always on the side.
That Suthep Thaugsuban he did have a school education.
The people who follow him are so and so uneducated