On May 19, 2010, Lung Gong from Khon Kaen was arrested by the military after the expulsion of the red shirt protesters in Bangkok. He will never forget what happened next.

He says: 'They put me in an old tire, under the hot sun, without food or drink. I still see their faces. I heard a soldier say, 'I'll set it on fire, it's not even Thai.'” He later escaped anyway. Lung Gong is happy with the idea of ​​separating the North and Northeast from Bangkok. "Why would I want to stay in a country that doesn't need me and doesn't see me as a human being?" Lung Gong says, tears streaming down his cheeks.

The discussion about a separate 'Red Nation' was rekindled after an article in the South China Morning Post citing red shirt leaders in Chiang Mai who would invite Yingluck to set up a separate state in the North in the event of a military coup. A recent banner on a pedestrian bridge in Phayao reading 'This country has no justice. I ask for the division of the country' fueled the discussion.

David Streckfuss, an independent scholar from Khon Kaen, believes that the issue of split would only come up in a military coup or Suthep's reform movement. "It's almost impossible to imagine something like this," he says, "it would be so terribly violent, wasteful and confusing."

"A separate state is just an idea and nothing more," says Pavin Chachavalpongpun, a Southeast Asia analyst at Kyoto University, "without international recognition it won't be possible."

David Streckfuss favors greater powers for local governments. "A legislative assembly for Isaan would give them more control over their own affairs," he says. He points out that Bangkok receives 76 percent of state spending while Isan, with 33 percent of Thailand's population, receives only 6 percent.

"Bangkok's XNUMX-year attempts to impose their idea of ​​'Thainess' (unity of language and culture) on the rest of the country from above, thus controlling them, is the core problem," says Streckfuss. . "They had to hide their roots so they wouldn't be looked down upon as second-class citizens."

And: 'The Isaan has always had a strong political consciousness. They have a long tradition of standing up for justice and equality, such as the communists in the XNUMXs and XNUMXs, the Assembly of the Poor and now the red shirt movement. They want to be recognized as equals, if not, then a separation.'

The people of Bangkok call us stupid and uneducated

'Daeng', 58 years old with his own radio program, is a proud supporter of the red shirts. She believes in reforms with the king as Head of the Nation, but she also believes in a democracy that respects the voice of the people. “The people who will bring about a divorce are not we but residents of Bangkok who call us stupid and uneducated and want to take away our right to vote,' she says emphatically.

'Man', 59 years old, used to work for a military radio station: 'I'm not saying Thaksin wasn't corrupt, I know he was very corrupt, but he showed us what it means to be equal. He gave back a lot.'

No one has ever thought of separation here before, he adds. “If you think we are so low, so stupid, so worthless, leave us alone and you won't be ashamed of us anymore. We'll take our country back and see if Thaksin might be a better leader.'

'Saiprapa Raisa-nguan' is a 20-year-old law student who follows the situation on social media. "Isaan people have always hated the way people from Bangkok used to belittle them," she said. “I understand that people in Isan and the North are angry, but a split will do much more harm than good. Why don't we try to deal with the current conflict?'

'Auan', a 46-year-old tour operator, takes a cool look at the whole thing. "I don't mind if someone calls me stupid, Lao or a red buffalo," he says. 'A split would be very bad for tourism. I hope it doesn't happen..

'Chan', 52, a real estate broker, can already see that business is suffering from the current conflict. "That can only get worse with a divorce because Bangkok is a center for banking, government buildings and more." Divorce will be an endless struggle and waste without a good outcome, he adds.

'Pom', 34 years old, sells clothes in Khon Kaen that she buys from Pratunam market in Bangkok. “People are already afraid to spend money,” she says. "And will I have to visit Bangkok or a beach in Phuket as a stranger?"

'Mon', a 38-year-old fruit seller, has the last word. She is more than happy if the North were to declare independence in the event that Suthep were to rule as a 'dictator'. "If we have to suffer for the greater good of the country, I am more than willing to do so."

(Source: Spectrum, Bangkok Post, February 9-15, 2014)

Postscript by Tino Kuis

My reflections on this can also be found in the text. The idea of ​​splitting up is a bit like a comment after yet another marital argument, "Maybe we should get a divorce." It is more an expression of frustration and anger than an actual call for independence. You shouldn't take it too literally. Those who really mean this and prepare for it are a large minority but I think they do exist.

I often heard: 'Maybe we should secede, then we will elect a president just like in China.' There are also other feelings involved. But if there is a military or legal coup, that frustration can boil over, with serious consequences. That, of course, would be a disaster for the country, however it happens.

Streckfuss already mentioned another solution: more autonomy for the North, the Northeast and the 'deep' South. I think that's a good idea, but I think the elite will resist it with all their might. Not very realistic either.

8 Responses to “The Struggle That Threatens to Tear Thailand in Two”

  1. Roger says up

    Dear Tino,
    Another wise analysis on your part I think….

  2. Jan Beute says up

    I have been seeing and hearing this story for a long time in my own area.
    I live in the north of Thailand 45 km south of Chiangmai.
    In the northern part of the south ( Hua Hin ) and Bangkok , there is the place where it all turns around .
    Industry , head offices of banks and companys etc etc abound .
    You name it .
    Good infrastructure .
    What do we have here in the north, except for the night bazaar and a few universities, the panda bear, the night safari and last but not least, sometimes a flower exhibition.
    For the rest it is nothing here , oh yes farmers we have many .
    And some OTOP villages , where you can not earn the salt in the porridge .
    Ultimately they keep Thailand alive, no farmers no food.
    My own stepson graduated from UNI CM, lives and works in Bangkok.
    Would like to return to his own old living environment , but problem there is no work at his level to be found here in CM and surroundings .
    That's why I call it Hilliebilly country here.
    The residents here also see that the money disappears in the direction of BANGKOK AND THE SURROUNDINGS.
    Maybe it would be better given the current situation and conflict .
    Which never ends.
    Splitting the whole country into North and South.
    I am thinking of Yugoslavia , during the Balkan war .
    If you can no longer go through the same door together, it is better to split.
    Just like in a marriage if you can no longer agree or live together, it is better to divorce.
    The situation in Thailand is like this at the moment , especially thanks to the corruption on both sides .
    Rich and poor, that's what it's all about in the end.
    That to find a solution for this you can come from a very high house and education.
    No, this will never work out again is my sure opinion.
    Living like cat and dog that is Thailand 2014 .
    I have more confidence in the other ASEAN countries .
    Including Myanmar and Laos.
    If I knew then what I know now I would have built up my future as a retirement there.
    But I can still change, I have plans even though I am a 61 year old Dutchman. Jan Beute

  3. Leo Th. says up

    Thank you for this contribution. David Streckfuss would propose more autonomy for both the North and the South as a “solution” and, like you, I consider that unrealistic. And if there were to be a divorce (which I certainly cannot imagine), the country would be torn into three, because in that case the South would follow the North. By the way, I'm curious about the composition of the army, it seems to me that most conscript soldiers come from Isaan. Many of them are already being sent to the South. If there were to be a real battle between the North and Bangkok, the consequences would be disastrous, I wouldn't even think about it. All in all, it appears that the solution to this political struggle is becoming increasingly difficult. Tourists, especially from Asia itself, are already avoiding Thailand and the rice surplus, which to this day is rotting in warehouses, is not doing the Thai economy any good. I wish both the government and the opposition much wisdom and empathy.

  4. chris says up

    If the Thais are really that into money, the Thais from the North and Northeast will think twice about splitting off. The facts at a glance:
    – these regions make a very small contribution to the national GDP;
    – the money is mainly earned in Bangkok, in the other major cities (ChiangMai, Phuket, Khon Kaen) and in the south (tourism);
    – Thailand's tax revenue is paid for almost 75% by companies and employees in Bangkok;
    – the rice subsidies and infrastructure investments in the north are paid for by the townspeople;
    – when the AEC is established, many Burmese and Laotians will return to their homeland;
    – the level of education of the Thai (especially in the north) is absolutely not sufficient for today's business world;
    – the new gold is oil and gas in the Gulf of Thailand. The state of Northern Thailand will not benefit from this.
    If it really comes to a split, North Thailand will move in the direction of North Korea (I will omit a comparison of leadership), and can certainly count on the support of China, which is only interested in the rice (for the sake of the Chinese mouths to feed).
    There are many gut feelings that remind me of the discussion in the Netherlands about leaving the EU. There is rightly a lot of dissatisfaction, but the problem is that the current generation of politicians (all of them) do not want to solve the real problems of this country,

    • Eugenio says up

      Chris your economic arguments are not entirely applicable.
      If the North wanted to secede, which I don't think will ever happen, the borders would still be more like this map.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_general_election,_2011

      Millions of “Northerners” already live in Bangkok, so this city is being divided up.
      North Bangkok (Muang Laksi Thaksin) will be the capital of this new republic. And the domestic airport will be Don Muang (Shinawat International Airport).

      • chris says up

        joking now:
        All these Northerners can go back to their homeland because most of them do not officially live in Bangkok. Can you see when there are elections. They all take the bus home to vote….. The regions bordering Bangkok such as Pathumtani and Chachoengsao would do well to voluntarily join the south where most of the inhabitants earn their money. Otherwise they will get passes to enter the south…and less money of course….
        The map gives a distorted picture. The north is not as red as the northeast. Just look at the absolute number of votes.
        The ladies from the Isan are no longer allowed access to Pattaya, which is turning into a rest home for expats.
        Khon Kaen airport can be painted red as far as I'm concerned.

    • LOUISE says up

      Morning Chris,

      You are right with the denominators where the money comes from, but with the "tunnel vision" of the Thai it doesn't matter.
      They think about what they want, throw it into the world, but that there are still peripheral phenomena that do have a very large influence and determine whether or not their wish succeeds, they are absolutely not there at silent.

      LOUISE

  5. rene says up

    Have you ever thought about the fact that Belgium also has 2 – sorry 3 – groups and that there is also a big difference of opinion about that? If we were to split up, why not immediately separate West Flanders from the province of Antwerp and then also loosen up the province of Limburg a bit? And while we are at it, we can separate the arrogant city of Antwerp and perhaps also Ghent and immigrant Brussels from their region. And of course Hasselt and Genk cannot reach their region because unemployment in Genk (Ford factories that closed) can put too much pressure on the region and they had already wasted a lot of money there due to the closure of the coal mines.
    Also look at Spain: Catalonia, Basque Country, Andalucia they all want more on their own.
    And what about Italy the LIga Norte wants to liberate Northern Italy from Southern Italy?
    Scotland wants to separate from England but should not use pound mer….
    Everyone wants to leave the EU, but we are now so far that we can no longer or dare to leave.
    This is the madness of highly paid politicians who then pursue a series of self-interests.
    It is no different in Thailand.
    Does Thailand also want to go down this street? The southern provinces with Islamic violence and which are a little or a lot similar to Malaysia, the northern provinces that are closely related to the regime of Shirawat, BKK as a metropolis of the high earners, the eastern part of the country that is poor and labeled as stupid and well exploitable is? Are they going to build a puzzle?
    A well-run conference can provide solace, but then the hard heads of all groups must disappear from that meeting and perhaps a group of technocrats from all walks of life must provide the solution and where cabbage and goat can be spared but where chips fall from the heels.


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