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Home » News from Thailand » Islamic separatists kill 15 volunteers at checkpoint in Yala
Islamic separatists kill 15 volunteers at checkpoint in Yala
An injured person in Yala hospital after an attack. Photo from archive (kunanon / Shutterstock.com)
Fifteen volunteers (local residents and officials) were shot dead at a checkpoint in the southern province of Yala. The attack in tambon Lam Phaya of Muang district is probably the work of Islamic separatists. The victims' weapons were stolen.
Responsibility for the attack on the volunteers has not yet been claimed.
Authorities say there were at least 10 attackers. The insurgents came on foot through a rubber plantation to attack the checkpoint in the village of Moo 5 around 23.20:XNUMX p.m. on Tuesday night.
Fighting has been going on for years in the three southern provinces of Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat. The majority of the population is Muslim. The insurgents want to secede from Thailand and establish an independent state. Previously, the three Islamic provinces were part of an independent Muslim sultanate. In 1909, the region was annexed by predominantly Buddhist Thailand.
Since 2004, an estimated 7000 people have been killed in that conflict.
Source: Bangkok Post
Islam should learn to live together with people who think differently instead of separating, introduce shariah and shoot all non-Muslims.
Intolerant “religion” it is and remains.
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1 all religions are intolerant to a greater or lesser extent, I think Islam is generally the most intolerant
2 Islam, like Christianity, has many sects. Some are violent, some are not. The Sufis, for example, are peaceful and women-friendly (relatively speaking)
3 Buddhism was and is quite violent in Burma against the Muslims and in Sri Lanka against the Hindus
4 I believe that the conflict in the deep South has only a little bit to do with Islam.
The problem with religions is especially true in those countries where there is a state religion. The state must be separate from religion.
As a nuance, I would like to note that most religions propagate tolerance towards fellow human beings. And of course there are always small minorities who find their own interpretation more important and know how to get people to do their thing. Just the word 'sects' already has a bad aftertaste. But who determines what a 'sect' is? Only common sense and thinking for yourself can determine that, I think. And that is precisely what makes people easy to put up with, the lack of wanting to make the distinction between good and evil themselves, but rather wanting to be shown the way by a hate-preaching foreman.
In any case, Christ's message of love for one's neighbor leaves no room for any other interpretation. As well as the 10 commandments from Christianity. If every person lives like this, he or she does not create karma, simple right?
And when groups of people misbehave or try to gain power, they should not be surprised if they are corrected by local governments. This is quite different from religions clashing with each other.
A religion pursues spiritual well-being. Any current that strives for worldly power cannot be described as a religion, but as an ideology. The fact that this is often accompanied by violence is also an indication that there is no religion. However, religions are increasingly equated with violent ideologies. A great misunderstanding, fueled by incorrect language and crimes committed in the name of a religion.
You are absolutely right Puchaai. It is often the state that abuses religion ('in the name of religion') to rule and oppress.
Puchaay Korat: “If every human being lives like this, he or she will not create karma, simple right?”
Karma does not necessarily mean that you are a good or bad person.
Karma means action. So the deeds (good or bad) done throughout your life.
Now you will wonder who determines whether you have accumulated good or bad karma.
Chitra Gupta decides that. This deity continuously makes a photographic print of all your (every living being) deeds on earth.
Chitra Gupta is the right hand (administrator/accountant) of the God DEATH (Yam Radj).
Together they determine a natural death of a living being. So how long this creature is allowed to live on earth.
When one's time comes, he/she is called back, or rather brought back by Yam Radj's henchmen.
Someone who dies an unnatural death (accident, murder or suicide) is not immediately retrieved. The mind will lead a wandering existence until its time has come.
Most Thais know who Yam Radj is, but only Buddhist scientists know about Chitra Gupta. And unfortunately they are not that many.
A Thai monk on the street also does not know who Chitra Gupta is.
Summarized:
Chitra Gupta and Yam Radj together determine on the basis of the karmas what a person's next life will look like.
With well-established karmas, he/she can achieve a higher status in the next life with much less adversity.
With poorly built up karmas, this person will go to hell.
Chander
It might be helpful, Chander, if you also mention that this is an element of Hindu belief.
Buddhism does not believe in gods in this way. It is not gods who determine how good or bad your karma is, but assumes that it is a natural law, a cause-effect relationship. No god can change that.
Therefore, Buddhist monks will know little about Chitra Gupta and Yam Radj.
Any proof? Let's go again, a local group proclaims something and then it is "true". This is how people think in every religion, movement or cult: they “know” what it is. Keep honking for the tree spirit in Thailand because it doesn't exist outside of Thailand.
Seven years ago I wrote a story about the problems in the Deep South called "The Forgotten Conflict, Revolt in the South." That 'forgetting' is now over.
https://www.thailandblog.nl/achtergrond/conflict-opstand-het-zuiden/
I hope those who respond realize that atrocities and human rights violations are being committed on both sides. This attack is very criminal and disgusting. The victims, as so often, are also Muslims.
Allowing this region some degree of self-government might solve the problem, but I'm afraid it won't. Hopeless, that's what I feel and think.
I believe this is about preserving a troubled area. Conveniently located to carry on criminal activities such as illegal oil trafficking, human trafficking and drug trafficking.
In addition, an ideal hiding place for Muslim extremists.
Then try to win such a war in a normal way and besides, the innocent are always the biggest victims in such an area.
Yes, the criminal elements you mentioned also play a significant role in the Deep South. Sometimes people suggest that the military likes to play a major role in the south. Good for their image and income.
The security risks for Thailand still apply. Three southern provinces code red, do not travel. With messages like this, which are of course terrible for those directly involved, the advice can only be interpreted in one way. Stay out of there. Groups of fanatics are still active there and attacks can be observed regularly. Religious fanatics are very dangerous and are beyond reason. You will find them all over the world, but hopefully not on your path. It remains important to take firm action against this, because these types of figures do not belong in a society that wants to live in harmony.
Where is the mighty army with all its many generals of Prayut well.
Isn't it the job of the army to ensure the safety of the local residents?
And not to put a few villagers there at night without sufficient training.
Jan Beute.
Islamic separatists certainly want to establish an Islamic independent state, there is no other motivation. Have been to Yala and other southern states several times and spoken to local mosmims who also indicated that. Songkla and Satun are also on their wish list.
Several times, perpetrators of attacks came from outside Thailand.
Self-government solves nothing, gives no satisfaction, and there are plenty of Muslims in the south who would like to stay with Thailand. Currently reside in that region. Despite everything, it is the best choice to let the army check there in the absence of other options, and to prevent attacks as far as possible.
Isn't Islam peace?
Yesterday I read an article about an iman in Lille (France). Called on his faithful to be patient before taking up arms to take over power in France. Be nice and kind to the people, create your fog curtain and soon we will be in charge!
The comments here show how naive most of you are. It must be known to everyone by now that Islam is not a religion but an ideology. More than 1400 years of war and violence and more than 100 million deaths.
Tino Kuis, do you know how many deaths Islam has caused in Burma? Here's an unsuspected source Amnesty. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44206372
I myself have lived and lived on Mindanao for a while (because of my marriage) between the muzzelmanns. I don't even bother to tell you how they think and talk about us. Tiqqya, ever heard of it? They are all good at that without exception. Read the articles on the internet by the sadly deceased Arabist Hans Jansen
"Tino Kuis, do you know how many deaths Islam has caused in Burma?"
Yes, I know that Muslim groups have also committed attacks in Burma, where not?
All religions have deaths on their conscience, I wouldn't know which more and which less. That varies by country and era. The same goes for other ideologies like fascism and communism.
I now teach Dutch to three asylum seekers from Iran and two from Pakistan. They fled because they are Christians and are persecuted. I know very well how things are in those countries, I don't need Hans Jansen for that.
Isn't something new. In 1978, together with my Thai wife, I made a Penang visa run by train. At night steel shutters went up on the windows and armed guards slept on the floor in the transitions between the carriages. I raised the hatch at my bunk a little to look outside and I knew it. Got the riot act and the question if I'd gone insane, shut that hatch.
I myself have been living in the heart of Narathiwat for over three years to my complete satisfaction and without fear and have now visited all districts in the region. The common man and woman, just like us, just want to live a fun and productive life and have nothing to do with extremism of any kind. It concerns a tiny percentage of the population that has separatist sympathies and wants to reinforce them.
Think that your argument applies to all population groups on earth, only a tiny percentage has extremist ideas. Whether this is in the field of religion or sports or whatever, a small part diamonds the rest
Prime Minister General Prayuth has given himself the power to impose a curfew in the Deep South for the coming year. Everything will be fine thanks to this brave, powerful and completely honest chosen imposing leader.
http://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2019/11/08/prayuth-grants-himself-power-to-impose-curfew-on-deep-south/
I notice that Khao Sod is often the source of your contributions.
Is this source reliable and how can you consider it reliable if you are in the Dutch polder landscape?
Apparently I miss a lot of things despite my daily work in Bangkok and that worries me.
Dear Johnny, I consider Khaosod very reliable. She writes more details about sensitive topics than, for example, a Bangkok Post does / dares. Prawit, the chief editor, is from The Nation. That is also a well-known newspaper. He had to leave when the junta wasn't too happy about his bits.
By following news from Khaosod, Thai PBS, Prachatai, Bangkok Post, Coconuts, the Nation and various online sources (new Mandela, thaipoliticalprisoners, Andrew McGregor, …), plus chatting with Thais daily, I can stay reasonably informed about Thailand from the cold Netherlands.
My Thai is still too bad to read Thai newspapers, but my friends sometimes throw Thai texts at me and Google Translate helps me a lot. No, I will not have the illusion of really knowing or understanding everything about Thai (or Dutch) current affairs. But on the whole I'm not doing too bad in terms of information provision, I think. 🙂
But read some different media and judge for yourself.
See also:
https://www.thailandblog.nl/leven-thailand/engelstalige-nieuwsbronnen-in-thailand/
The reliability of media does not depend on who writes it down and how much he/she writes, but whether WHAT is written down corresponds to the truth. Unfortunately, THE truth does not exist (with the exception of the old newspaper of the Communist Party of the Netherlands).
Conservatives find their truth in De Telegraaf, progressives in De Volkskrant. Which newspaper is more reliable often depends on the opinion of the reader, NOT on the 'real' truth. The same goes for Thailand. If you get your information mainly from Khaosod, Thaipoliticalprisoners and McGregor, that says more about the writer than about the media, in my opinion. Listing facts is not an art. Not or half writing down facts is part of that. It is about the interpretation, the backgrounds of what is happening.
Unfortunately, Thailand is not a country characterized by free speech. This means that many do not know the backgrounds, do not want to know and do not ask. There is also a lot of lying, by all parties, without consequences. This leads to many speculations that are fodder for the media and their biased readers.
The call to substantiate all news in Thailand with sources is therefore nonsense. The best sources are the non-written sources. And of course they are not believed by one side or the other. And so we muddle on.
Quote:
'That means that many don't know the backgrounds, don't want to know and don't ask.'
All right, Chris. Do you know those backgrounds? Do you want to know them? Do you ask for it? If the answer to those three questions is yes, and you imply that you know them or you wouldn't be saying this, then I invite you to speak about them here. If you don't want to or can't do that, then there's no point accusing others of knowing too little. Either you are completely open yourself and then you are not allowed to call others reliable, or you yourself conceal things and then you should not blame others.
@ Tino Kuis
You take a sentence from the whole text and see it as your truth as well as a possible reproach.
Just as Chris says in the same piece that due to the lack of free expression, the context is more important than the cold writing, and you should know that best with your language lessons to asylum seekers, right?
I am convinced that I know quite a bit of background to what is happening. I also want to know and ask about them, but not McGregor who blocked me because I asked some pertinent questions about his book, which partly contains inaccuracies and untruths. He reproached me for believing written sources ...... Now it's getting nice. One has to believe him because he writes it down. Here it is: the believers come from a certain corner, and criticism of him is apparently equivalent to supporting the military and authoritarian government. Critical thinking on TWO sides is apparently no longer bon ton.
I'm not blaming anyone. I only warn against looking in 1 direction and that direction that is against EVERYTHING that powerful people are doing in this country. That is not the reality and when I ask questions there is no answer. (e.g. why have there been so few new lese majeste cases since the new head of state took office? At least not because there is no criticism; rather, it has increased).
I have the advantage that if I hint at anything from my information (obtained through secret services that don't write it down), no one believes me. And so everyone falls into the trap of the ultra-nationalists.
Totally agree.
It turns out time and time again throughout the world that it is not what it seems, so you may wonder what the value of news is.
As a person you have 0,0000001 or even less say politically, but somehow there is the illusion that your voice is heard.
Indifference may not be good, but it is liberating.
Coincidentally I came across this piece https://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/wees-liever-onverschillig-dan-empathisch~bdd60170/?referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
Daily fare in Thailand and actually also outside, but many do not want to see that.
I am surprised that it is mentioned here that Thailand (Siam in 1909) annexed those provinces.
Thailand/Siam got them in a treaty in exchange for…., and was granted money in the form of a soft loan to build rail from that border to Bangkok. That is why Thailand/Siam switched to narrow gauge. Below is a piece of the text I have about it.
The Anglo-Siamese Treaty, London, 1909. Siam abandons the regions Kelantan, Perlis and Terengau in nowadays Malaysia and gets control over the muslim dominated regions Pattani, Narathiwat, Songkhla, Satun and Yala.
Thailand gets a loan from Malaysia of 4.63 million pounds sterling (interest rate 4%; other sources say 4 million pounds) to build the railway from Bangkok to the Malaysian border with the condition that no other country can finance this and that only Siamese and British engineers build the railroad.
The strange condition for the construction of that railway line is due to the mutual aversion between the French and the British who could not see each other and for which Siam was a buffer. The French were in Cochin China, Cambodia and Laos, the British in present-day Malaysia and Singapore and British India.