Dear readers,

At my request, including this month, I will receive my WAO directly into an account at the Kasikorn bank. Does anybody have experience with this? What are the costs? How long does it take for your benefit to be credited?

Money was always in my Dutch bank account on the 23rd. When is that now? All questions that I would like to have an answer to, but to which the UWV and the bank could not provide a definite answer. Maybe more success here?

Thanks in advance for any responses. Oh yes, I live in Chiang Mai, maybe this also has an influence? And UWV sends it via SWIFT.

With friendly greetings,

Frank

31 responses to “Reader question: WAO payment on account at Kasikorn bank, what are the consequences?”

  1. Lex K. says up

    Dear Frank,
    I understand that you have already instructed the UWV to transfer your benefits to your Thai account, would it not have been more convenient to find out all this before you ordered??
    It will certainly not be received on the 23rd, the payment order will go out on the same day as the one to the Dutch accounts, from experience I would take into account an extra week before it is on your Thai account, just write something yourself about from a Dutch. bank to a Thai bank, I waited everything between 5 days and 10 days, the UWV will certainly not make an earlier payment for you and of course it takes a little longer to get to a Thai account.
    The costs for the transfer are entirely for your account, I don't know how much that is at your bank, but it should be fairly easy to find out, the UWV is really not going to contribute to transfer costs.
    If you have opted for payment in Euros or Bath, that is possible, so also take exchange rate differences into account, which can be both favorable and unfavorable.

    Good luck with it and I would appreciate it if you let me know the results, so I can add it to my archive, my email address is [email protected]

    Yours faithfully,

    Lex K.

    • smeets dirk says up

      If I transfer from my Belgian account to my Thai account, it is usually there after two maximum three days

  2. KhunJan1 says up

    The SVB has been transferring my AOW directly to my Kasikorn bank account for quite some time to my complete satisfaction, I used to receive it in the Netherlands around the 23rd, but after deregistration it is now already transferred every month on the 15th and it is on my account by the 16th at the latest on the 17th .
    The costs are negligible, SVB transfers Euros and Kasikorn converts these into Thb.

  3. Erik says up

    If I transfer money from ING to Kasikorn, it takes ONE working day, but then I take into account public holidays on both sides and of course Saturday and Sunday. There are methods to have it here within hours but you have to pay extra for that, of course.

    I do not understand that you have it paid monthly directly to Thailand, but it may be based on your personal circumstances. My AOW and pension are credited to my ING account and I transfer that to here once a year or a little extra if the exchange rate is attractive.

    You will now pay costs every month. The ING charges a minimum of 6 euros (check their website) and Kasikorn charges 500 baht (also on their website).

    I take the liberty of noting that you now lose 18 euros every month.

    • Marcus says up

      Totally agree. Transferring once a year is much cheaper in bank costs. You can also choose a low moment in terms of course. I made the last transfer in June. If you still do some international work, then monthly transfer to Thailand by the employer is wise, since the "greedy eater" in the Netherlands can otherwise be put on the wrong track. By the way, keep an eye out if you have not opened a non-resident account with the Dutch bank, they will continue to signal to the tax authorities what your bank traffic looks like. And they have nothing to do with that 🙂

      • Klaus clunder says up

        The SVB transfers euros to Thailand free of charge on the 15th of the month. If you want to choose a favorable exchange rate moment to exchange from Euro to Baht, take a euro account at your Thai bank and have the SVB deposit the euros into it. Go to the bank at the right time and have the euros transferred to your account free of charge. bill in Thai baht. I have been doing this at the bank or Ayudhaya for a few years to my complete satisfaction. However, you have to allow half an hour because of the paperwork at the bank because not all employees know the procedures well and the computers do not work quickly. I think where I write SVB the same applies to the UWV, I'm not sure.

    • Daniel says up

      I have everything deposited into a Belgian account and only transfer to Thailand twice a year to keep costs down. Every time I go to Belgium and return I bring 10.000 euros in cash. .you can go through customs with that. I always ask for proof at the airport.

  4. chris says up

    Dear Frank,
    If I were you I would NEVER have the money transferred directly to a bank account in Thailand. For two main reasons: you have no idea how long it takes and you have no idea how much money it is (costs, exchange rate). Simply have the amount transferred in Euri to a bank account in the Netherlands and withdraw as much via the ATM in Thailand as you need. Or better: transfer it online to the account at the Kasikornbank. There are currently costs associated with this (approximately 18 euros per transfer), but in the near future these costs will be considerably lower (approximately 3 euros per transfer) via a non-banking (internet) system. This is already possible for a number of countries, but not yet for transfers to and from Thailand.

    • Marcus says up

      ATM not so wise since you still shoot 1.5% on it. Visa by the way 3% and wrong exchange rate. Relatively large amount , interbank exchange rate, to your account in Thailand is the best.

  5. Jan luck says up

    If you have your benefit transferred from the Netherlands to the Kasikornbank, you will always be paid in Bath. But the UWV charges a hefty amount for transfer costs compared to the SVB. That could be as much as 40 euros per month. The SVB charges However, only 20 euro cents for it if you have a state pension.
    And for the AOW from SVB it always only takes 2 days and then my benefit is credited to my Kasikorn bank.
    If you have WAO from UWV, it is better to have it deposited in a Dutch bank and then you can simply withdraw it in Thailand. That also costs 180 bath per time, but that is always much cheaper than having it transferred directly from UWV to Kasikornbank.
    The UWV is an institution where they have little or no interest in their benefit recipients. You cannot email them, while this is very common at the SVB, and there you will always receive immediate answers to your questions by email.

  6. John Dekker says up

    The costs of transfer if the UWV transfers it is 1,75. The UWV uses The Bank of America. This bank has the obnoxious habit of paying out on the last possible day. As a result, the credit from December was not credited to the account until January. People had forgotten that the banks are closed between Christmas and New Year.
    A few years ago, the BoA paid in Thb. Then two exchange losses were suffered (Euro-Dollar and Dollar-Thb) plus double costs. That made a difference. 12% net in the benefit.

    This has come to an end with the intervention of the National Ombudsman. I then won that procedure and was offered to pay in Thb or Euro.

  7. HansNL says up

    Had a problem transferring money from my account at ING to Krung Thai Bank
    The ING just did something, transferred when it suited the bank.
    The costs were € 6 per time, was not really an amount, for a monthly transfer.
    However, the period between giving the order via internet banking and the actual execution of the order often takes a long time.
    Read the SWIFT rules, pointed this out to ING, and sure enough, the money will be transferred via SWIFT within two hours.
    Then KTB came under fire.
    Called, and I was told that the credit to the account could take up to ten days.
    I have, again, sent a copy of the SWIFT rules.
    And it simply states that the receiving bank is obliged to credit the amount to the recipient's account within 48 hours, on working days.

    And now my credit is in the Thai account at KTB within 24 hours

    Cost?
    ING € 6 per order.
    KTB 250 baht pre order.
    Rate the daily rate for electronic payments, not the rate used for banknotes.

    • Gerrit Jonker says up

      I receive my AOW and pension through my ING account.

      If I need money I transfer it (In Euros) to my bank in Thailand. (Bangkok Bank)

      No problems Available next day. Costs are negligible.

      Gerrit

  8. Dave says up

    Frank… sorry, but isn't that a bit stupid? These are really things that you need to find out in advance before you place an order. But let me help you out. The pension authority charges approximately €25 for this. Have it transferred to your Dutch bank and transfer it yourself via the internet to your Thai bank... Yes …. €6! Reversing this will take a long time and require many signatures by post. Would never have chosen this myself. I have lived in Thailand for 23 years, but the country remains too unstable for me to commit myself financially. We also have a house in Malaysia, so if it gets too hot under my feet here, we can move out for a while and I will transfer money to my Malaysian bank account. I like to keep my finances in my own hands.

  9. Good heavens Roger says up

    From this month I will also have my pension transferred directly from the Belgian pension service to my Kasikorn account, which will now be on April 28. I have heard from a good friend who is familiar with these matters that in Belgium they charge 17 euros transfer costs on the net pension amount and here at the bank that would mean 1,8% handling or conversion costs after conversion to THB. On a (fictitious) amount of 1.800 euros and at the current exchange rate of 44,16 THB/euro – 1,8%, that would be: 17 euros + 32,09 euros = 49,09 euros in total costs. Pinning costs me 3 x 180 THB (12,20 euros) + 3 x 12 euros handling and transfer costs in Belgium: = 36 euros; 12,20 + 36 euros = 48,20 euros. So corresponds to the costs for direct transfer (less than 1 euro difference). On the other hand, I can always access the full amount transferred, which has not been the case so far: I can only withdraw 25.000 THB at a time and have to wait a week before being able to withdraw the next 25.000 THB. Here I would receive the amount in my account after 4 working days, but as I see in the comments, it could be earlier. So from the 28st. check my account when the pension will actually be in my account and how much the actual costs will be. The pension service has given me a list with the payment dates for this year, so I can always see when the next transfer will take place and I will also be notified by e-mail every time.

  10. Good heavens Roger says up

    @ smeets dirk: As I have already indicated here, you can have your pension transferred directly from the pension service to your Thai account. You can request a form for transfer from the pension service, fill it in, indicate from when you want the transfer to take place, have your Thai bank also fill it in and stamp it and return the form to the pension service. That's all you have to do, that's how I did it. You will then no longer need your Belgian bank account, but you will have to wait to close it until the transfer has been made. The pension service will also point this out to you. It is also best to request the code numbers to access your data that you have with the pension service via “Mypension” and you can download the list with the payment dates for abroad, your possible payment date and also your life certificate, etc. from their website. If you provide your e-mail address, you will receive a notification when you have new correspondence.

  11. Lex K. says up

    As usual, these kinds of questions come with many different answers, I have taken the time to visit the UWV site and share the following information with anyone who is interested.
    Quote from the UWV site is literally cut and pasted, so directly from the source.

    “I have a foreign bank account
    Do you have a foreign account number on which you want to receive the disability benefit? Please inform us of this in writing. For example, by letter or via the Report changes abroad form. If you have disability benefits. We need the following information:

    the IBAN code, this is your international account number;
    the BIC code, which is your bank's unique code.
    Please note that a payment to a foreign bank account takes longer. As a result, you will receive your benefit later.

    In which currency will I receive my disability benefits?
    The currency in which you receive your benefits depends on the country where you have your bank account:

    Do you have a bank account in the Netherlands, a country of the European Union (EU), a country of the European Economic Area (EEA), Switzerland or a treaty country? Then your benefit will be paid in the local currency of that country, for example the euro.
    Do you have a bank account in a country other than one of the above countries? Then you will receive your benefit in US dollars. The bank of your country of residence may then decide to convert the US dollars into another currency. That is usually the current currency of that country.
    Receive disability benefits in a different currency
    Will you receive your benefit in a currency that is unfavorable to you? Then ask UWV to pay the benefit in a different currency. We will then investigate whether our other customers in your country also find the currency unfavorable. Is that the case? We can then pay the benefit in a different currency if necessary. This then happens for all benefit recipients in that country. Please note that the bank of your country of residence may decide to convert the payment into another currency.” End quote.
    In short: the payment may take longer
    Thailand is a treaty country so the payout is in Bath,
    I can't find anything about the costs they charge on the UWV site,
    those costs will therefore have to be collected from the banks.
    I hope this has helped some people.

    Yours faithfully,

    Lex K.

  12. Good heavens Roger says up

    Dear Lex, I believe you are making a mistake. From the Netherlands and Belgium, the transfer will always be in euros and not in THB, because the THB is not exchangeable abroad. Here the euro is then converted into THB. My Belgian pension service also gives me no information about the costs in Belgium. Here too I could not find any information about the domestic costs charged by my bank. I must therefore continue on what my friend has reported to me. I will now check with the first transfer whether the data I have corresponds to the actual costs.
    Regards, HR

    • Lex K. says up

      Dear Roger,
      I am not making a mistake in taking the information directly from the UWV site; Quote “Then you will receive your benefit in US dollars. The bank of your country of residence may then decide to convert the US dollars into another currency. That is usually the current currency of that country.” 2nd quote “Then we can possibly pay out the benefit in another currency. This then happens for all benefit recipients in that country. Please note that the bank of your country of residence may decide to convert the payment into another currency” end quote.
      What I did say is that; Whatever currency your benefit is paid in, you can only withdraw it in Bath (via the ATM).
      I also hope that Frank will report to me the costs incurred, both from the Dutch and Thai side, that is what I asked him, because I have a fairly extensive file on this type of and related matters, I help a number of people who go to Thailand want to move with the "paper shop" and any relevant information that I can add is very welcome, but from my own experience and not from hear / say

      Regards,

      Lex K.

      • Frank says up

        I will certainly inform you about this as soon as eea has been transferred for the first time.
        Then you have it first hand.
        And some commenters talk about making a transfer to a Thai bank once a year.
        So what do you live on for the rest of the year?
        And I know that SVB works differently, but WAO comes from UWV.

        • self says up

          Dear Frank, suppose you need 20K ThB for your monthly household, just taken as a calculation example, well ahead: to avoid discussion about the amount of the amount, we add the costs for petrol, internet and telephone subscriptions, water, gas and electricity at. Let's say: you end up with 30K ThB per month, which is 360 ThB on an annual basis.
          Suppose you transfer that today for next year: then we are talking about less than euro 8.200.=. And so there are countless ways to handle your money as you see fit. Everyone has their own way, but personally I think the direct monthly transfer of Aow funds by SVB to a Thai bank is a choice with question marks!

          • Frank says up

            I understand your math, but I don't see why I wouldn't just have my money transferred to Thailand every month. Suppose I have p mo. 2000 Euros, which are deposited in a nl bank, I collect that here, pay 180 thB for each pin transaction.
            Direct transfer to Kasikorn, I take everything off at once, pay what I want and have to pay. What's dangerous about that, not good, never do it and so on

            • self says up

              If you withdraw money at your Kasikorn bank, you do not pay 180 ThB debit card costs with your Kasikorn debit card (debit card). Also nothing at other Kasikorn banks in your own place of residence, free of charge a few times a month at your Kasikorn banks in other places, and at most 25 ThB per time at other banks.
              You pay those 180 ThB ATM costs when you withdraw money from your NL account at a Thai ATM with your NL debit card.
              Please see below my response to your original question

  13. Jan luck says up

    You can simply buy Thai bath at Schiphol Amsterdam and also exchange it for Euros. So what do you mean by saying that THB is not exchangeable outside Thailand? And if you receive your money from the SVB directly via the Thai bank, it is always in Thai bath converted.
    And Kasikorn does not charge anything for the recipient. The costs are then for those who send the money from the Netherlands.

    • Good heavens Roger says up

      It is the first time I hear that THB is exchangeable abroad. Will inquire whether this is also the case in Belgium and whether the pension service also wants to transfer this directly into THB. Although I wonder if that won't cost more. Nevertheless, according to the pension service, the costs are for the recipient and not for the sender.

      • chris says up

        You can buy Thai baht at any normal bank in the Netherlands. You have to order them a week in advance because they are usually not in stock. And Jan luck is right: you can buy and sell Thai baht at the ABN at Schiphol.

    • Lex K. says up

      Dear Jan,
      Those costs are voluntarily taken on by the payer, with every transfer you have to choose, costs for recipient, sender or shared.
      But the UWV does not pay out in Bath, they will not calculate how high your benefit would be this month based on the current rate, which is exchanged by the bank, they can choose whether the exchange is done by the bank in the Netherlands, the Dutch bank can exchange this and send Bath to your Thai account, or the Dutch bank can send Euros to Thailand and the Thai bank exchanges them, the Thai banks prefer that because they want to have Euros in Thailand.
      If you have your benefit transferred to Thailand in Euros, you will generally get a much better rate.
      You are indeed right that you can just buy Bath in the Netherlands, but at a backward rate, comparable to theft.

      Regards,

      Lex K.

  14. Jan luck says up

    This statement once and for all. That if you pay your state pension to your Thai account, directly from the SVB to Kasikornbank. Then the SVB transfers it in Euros, but the Kasikornbank always pays out in Thai bath if you live in Thailand. And yes, there is no American bank involved, at least you don't notice it. And the rate is always the same because they have all set a standard rate. More than 12 of my Dutch pensioners have been experiencing this for years. If you have been deregistered, in the Netherlands and have no banking affairs in the Netherlands, the SVB will deposit the amount in Euros into your Thai account. And the Thai bank will pay you without asking in their money, the Bath. The advantage is that you can withdraw the entire amount from your Kasikorn But if you receive it via ING / Postbank, you can at most withdraw 250 euros in Bath per day or so. And then it will cost you 180 Bath each time. But the money that you withdraw via a NL bank also really comes in Batjes from the Netherlands. ATM and not in Euros either
    Do you want euros paid out after the SVB has paid your state pension to your Thai account? Then you will have to buy those euros yourself at a bank counter, and sometimes they don't have any Euros at all in the Thai bank. And the ABN Amro at Schiphol also charges the normal rate for the bath and they are really not thieves.
    I hope it's clear now, and yes the uwv is a weird setting right?
    greetings Jan

    • Lex K. says up

      Jan,
      They indeed charge the "normal" rate, but the lowest they can justify, but buying a Bath in the Netherlands is always more expensive than buying a Bath in Thailand, it is the additional costs that make exchange in the Netherlands so expensive, administration and handling, I know. a lot that they all made up.
      I'll give you 1 example GWK at Amsterdam Central, according to the price list hanging there I should have gotten something like 3800 for 100 Euro, after deducting various costs it was not even 3300, I kindly thanked and still didn't do it.

      Regards,

      Lex k.

  15. self says up

    I miss the added value of having direct transfers, to a bank account in Thailand, of benefits such as WAO and AOW by the competent authorities being UWV and SVB, as well as pension funds by the relevant funds.
    I think that the questioner only started to wonder about this added value, and to think about it, after he had already acted, making sure of possible negative consequences. So true acting on good Thai custom, although the latter is a positive addition.

    All authorities and funds report that depositing money directly into a Thai bank account entails additional administrative costs, which are of course passed on to the person concerned. (The fact that the NL bank and the THAI bank charge costs is irrelevant, because the cost calculation also applies if you transfer yourself.)

    But apart from that extra cost item: it is much more important that people relinquish control over their own income (WAO/AOW/Pension/ea). After all, people do not stay in NL, but in TH, and regardless of the circumstances and without their own input, they receive their money unseen every month in ThB on a bank account in TH. Convenience serves man, but caution and china cabinets count in Thailand. A good Dutch saying.

    Also: whether you transfer all or part of the benefit monthly, quarterly, half-yearly or annually to a Thai bank account, want to leave the amount of the benefit longer in a Dutch savings account, or forward it to a Foreign Currency, waiting to transfer until a more favorable exchange rate develops, wanting to transfer more or less to avoid falling exchange rate expectations: all those choices and decision moments have been lost!
    Being able to continue to make your own decisions is an added value of being able to hold bank accounts in both NL and Thailand.

    Needless to say: all private banking transactions between NL and TH

    • self says up

      Part of the last sentence is missing, but here it is in its entirety:

      Needless to say: all banking traffic between NL and TH goes through Swift: Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications. See: http://www.theswiftcodes.com/netherlands/


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