Dear readers,
I am trying to help a Dutch acquaintance in Thailand with the following questions, but first sketch the situation.
He has had a girlfriend for a long time, they have 3 children together (one joint ) the other two children from a previous relationship of the woman. She has no income and takes care of the 3 children. He has a disability benefit of about 600 euros a month, which also includes his health insurance. He stays half a year in the Netherlands in a room with his sister, so he also has his address there. He is now in Thailand and recently married the woman in Thailand. He makes every effort to get all children on his passport as well.
- His 1st question is as follows: can I live permanently in Thailand without financial consequences, now but also in the future, for example when I reach retirement age?
- His second question: can I expect a higher benefit on the basis of being married to a woman with no income, if so where and how should I apply for it?
- His third question: is the mother of these three children entitled to, for example, child benefit?
- His 4th question: Does it make sense to get married under Dutch law in the Netherlands, or can I have my Thai marriage legalized at the Dutch embassy in Bangkok?
- His 5th question: is it useful to indicate to the benefits agency that there is now a marriage and that he therefore had and still has financial care for the children?
Sincerely,
Hans
Dear Hans
Question 1 I think not his income is too low his income must be at least 400.000 Baht per year or that amount in the bank in Thailand
Question 2 His higher income would consist of the fact that he first paid taxes as a bachelor, he pays less when married.
question 3 He is not entitled to child benefit, see the SVB website
Question 4 I don't know if it makes sense, but the Embassy does not arrange that for him, he has to arrange that in the municipality where he lives.
Question 5 He is actually obliged to pass this on
Greetings Cees Roi-et
Is his wife Thai, Dutch or of another nationality?
What is his age ?
In the Netherlands you cannot get by on a WAO of 600 euros (I assume: net) so he is entitled to additional assistance there, provided he lives independently. If his wife and children are dependent on him, he will receive more assistance. He is better off in the Netherlands, also for health care costs. Is he entitled to child benefit in NL if the children live there? Yes, right?
It is best for him to live in NL. If his wife does not have an EU nationality, this is not so easy to arrange. But I would advise him to concentrate on living in NL.
Let, regardless of visa rules, he can live here with 600 euros, that is 25.000 baht per month. Then pay healthcare costs, children to school, housing, transport, food and clothing, no, that will be deep poverty.
And with 600 € per month in the Netherlands no poverty.
Suppose he receives an extra € 600 in NL because of children and marriage.
Then I think it will be bitter misery in NL.
He will remain a poor devil anyway, here or in NL.
Let's be clear about living in Thailand
You must be able to demonstrate that you have a net pension of 65.000 TB
Or else you have to place an amount of 800.000 bt in a Thai bank. This amount can also be divided by the wife if she has money
If you cannot meet the required amount of 65.000 bt, you are allowed to do so
combine with money so that you comply with immigration laws.
Grt
400.000 baht anyway, because he is married.
Dear Hans
Question 1 I think his income is not sufficient, especially when he retires, he will receive I thought 70% of his pension and is not entitled to a supplement, this has been abolished, for a stay in Thailand you need an income of at least 400.000 Baht or a credit in a Thai bank of 400.000 Baht if you are married.
Question 2 He pays less tax as married, which increases his income slightly
Question 3 Child benefit is no longer paid to Thailand, see the SVB site.
Question 4 If he is officially married for the Ampur, is this valid in the Netherlands? He can have this registered in the municipality where he lives, the embassy has no involvement in this.
Question 5 You must report any change in your marital status to the benefits agency
Greetings Cees – Roi-et
@ Cees Child benefit has never been paid to NLers with children living in Thailand.
For my (now adult) daughter and son, both with Dutch nationality, I got nothing.
Well if I lived or live in NL and my children in Thailand.
I think that's what you meant.
As I understand the UWV site, the WAO benefits will stop when he moves to Thailand.
http://www.uwv.nl/Particulieren/ik_ben_ziek/ik_heb_een_WAO-uitkering/mijn_WAO-uitkering_eindigt/ik_verhuis_naar_een_niet-verdragsland.aspx
I have also read that the benefits also stop if you live abroad for 3 months, but that
I can't find it anymore.
The accrual of the AOW will also stop if he emigrates, unless he opts for resident taxpayer status.
Overview of treaty countries:
Thailand is not included.
http://www.uwv.nl/Particulieren/internationaal/zwevend/met_welke_landen_heeft_Nederland_een_verdrag_gesloten.aspx
Dear Ruud,
I think you are getting your information from the wrong site, Thailand is indeed a treaty country:
Quote from the UWV site: “Enforcement treaty: to which countries can I take my benefits?
Do you want to live abroad and do you receive a benefit from the UWV? Then you can sometimes take your benefit with you. That depends on the agreements that the Netherlands has made with the country about retaining your benefit if you move abroad.
These agreements are different for each country and for each benefit. You can check this in the overview of countries where you can take your benefit with you.
Thailand Yes Yes 0,5 Yes No “” for the WAO, the country facto is not even applicable yet.
I recommend the following site for current and accurate information. http://www.uwv.nl/Particulieren/internationaal/zwevend/handhavingsverdrag.aspx
Yours faithfully,
Lex K.
Dear Hans, I don't know about the situation in the Netherlands, but for Belgium, if you are officially married in Thailand and you register it at the embassy, it also counts as being married for Belgian law. That's how I did it when I got married, it's been 10 years now and the rules may have changed, but if I were you I'd check with the Dutch embassy.
Good luck.
Unfortunately, it is not clear whether you only married for Buddha or legally. In this context, pay attention to your state pension rights; in Thailand, as a married person, you are only entitled to the lower “partner state pension”. You do not have to report a Buddha marriage in NL; a legal marriage, I thought, well.
I also wonder whether it is possible to obtain a residence visa for your Thai family members with that minimum income. In that case it seems to me that it is an advantage if you are also legally married.
It's not easy because I'm in a similar dilemma, but I still have 3 years to make the right decision. In any case, take the time to thoroughly research it; that will soon pay for itself twice over.
Success!
Ruud, see the question of 9 August about the IVA benefit. I posted this link there.
http://www.uwv.nl/particulieren/Images/AG110%2000568%2004-10%20zww.pdf
There's something else. Thailand is not a social security treaty country, but it is a BEU country and you can bring a UWV benefit to Thailand WITH PERMISSION.
If he is married to a Thai person, he is entitled to a so-called Vium O, he does not have to declare any income, a copy of his marriage certificate, and a copy of his Thai husband's passport is enough to apply for this visa. to ask. I would also advise him to keep his permanent home address in the Netherlands. With a full emigration to Thailand, he loses any health insurance in the Netherlands, and he is later deducted .2% of his Aow for every year that he has lived in Thailand.
It is of course difficult if the information is not the same in different places.
However, the folder is from April 2010 and therefore possibly outdated. (date is at the very bottom of the folder)
However, I think it is easiest if the questioner asks this question to the UWV.
(And then let us know here, because we're curious too)