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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Ratio of food costs in the Netherlands – Thailand?
Dear readers,
Many concerns are expressed about the value of the Euro against the Baht. Food is also becoming more and more expensive in Thailand. What I would like to know is what is the food cost ratio between the Netherlands and Thailand.
I left the Netherlands 17 years ago and have no idea what the food costs? Readers who live here and occasionally in the Netherlands can perhaps answer this best. Let go of going to a restaurant for a while.
Is this ratio also in line with what people earn in the Netherlands and in Thailand?
With kind regards,
Clean
You can still eat cheaper here than in the Netherlands, provided that you do not want to eat all farang products such as cheese, croquettes, salty herring, etc., which is also very expensive here. Vegetables are much cheaper and fish and meat than in the Netherlands.
And of course it has to be cheaper here otherwise the thai can no longer live for them, the cost of living is now getting more and more expensive with all the price increases every time so many thai people can't make it with their income anymore
The prices of meat and fish are - especially if you compare it in terms of quality - equal to those in the Netherlands. There is something like a world price for the various products: If it was much cheaper in Thailand, the Netherlands would buy in bulk here. I should add that I come from Amsterdam, where it is full of kilo bangers in the field of meat. However, that is EQUAL to the factory farming quality from Thailand!
What strikes me is that various parts (vakenhaasjes, for example) are priced a bit cheaper, but that can be explained more because the Thai like fat more.
I do buy, for example, large shrimps from ZEE, fresh, cheaper than in the Netherlands, but yes, that is a local product and I live right on the Gulf of Thailand. Incidentally, the fish in IJmuiden is also cheap if you buy it directly at the harbor!
Vegetables cost the same, except for the condiments: they are relatively expensive in the Netherlands, because they are flown in fresh from here. However, fruits are usually more expensive here in Thailand.
All in all I would say: Here in Thailand with poor (because everything sprayed, fertilizer and even formaldehyde!) quality is a fraction cheaper than in Amsterdam, but it should not have a name.
The only real profit you make here is that you don't have to pay backward amounts for the water board, holding tax, garbage contribution, OZB tax, etc., and often a somewhat cheaper rent (if you stay away from Pattaya, Bangkok and Puhket).
But most importantly: Here the sun shines!
Dear Jasper,
I do not know where you will go shopping and whether you will go shopping yourself, both in the Netherlands and in Thailand. As far as the prices of vegetables, fruit, fish and meat are concerned, they are FAR below the prices, both in the Netherlands and in Belgium. Would like to know where in the Netherlands you can get pork at 120THB / kg, beef at 280THB / kg; vegetables such as Chinese cabbage at 15thB / piece etc etc ... can buy? If you go locally, not in the big tourist centers, I'm usually just amazed at the low prices of the food items. I usually cook myself every day, I'm single and don't send a Thai lady out, do my shopping myself, so I know what I'm buying and what I'm paying.
Lung addie
The food here is relatively cheaper than in the Netherlands, except, as my predecessor wrote, you are looking for "typical" Dutch products.
Meat, fish and poultry are much cheaper here. Vegetables can also be much cheaper. All imported products or non-native products can be a lot more expensive. For example, paprika is very expensive here. Strawberries, apples, pears and cherries are also very expensive. On the other hand, the local fruits are much cheaper and if you have a papaya, banana and mango tree in your garden, you have more fruit than you can eat and almost for free.
Pasta types are more expensive. Bread is relatively expensive. Not the brown bread as we know it in the Netherlands… that is even cheaper. But German bread and rolls are expensive here.
For a liter of milk you pay 42 baht here and sometimes more. Fruit juices between 45 and 80 baht or more – sometimes over 100 baht per liter. It depends on the brand and also where you buy the juice.
Muesli is quite pricey. Tesco has its own brand that is cheaper and quite edible.
At Tesco you can buy packed salad for 39 baht. Too much to eat in one sitting. But also not tasty enough to buy every time. A salad bar is more expensive, but you can vary. Compared to the Netherlands, still a lot cheaper.
Shampoo and toothpaste is cheaper I think.
The proportions depend on who you are comparing it to. Here on Thailand blog almost always look at Thais who earn the minimum and the Dutch who earn a lot more. A bad comparison, because with 9000 baht per month, we are not even allowed to live here and you can also forget about shopping in supermarkets.
My girlfriend often buys at the market and we now have all our own vegetables from the garden (unsprayed)… in any case, it is much cheaper on the market for Thais than a Tesco, Big C or any supermarket. That's where the better-earning purchases usually go.
Drinks are again much more expensive here (as far as wine and stronger imported alcohol are concerned). I don't think beer is that expensive, but I hardly drink it. Occasionally I buy a Chinese plum wine in Tesco. I don't want to know what's in it, but it tastes good: not too sweet and not too heavy and that for 99 Baht!
Normally prices for wine start around 250 baht (cheap table wine)… I think you pay about twice what you pay for a wine here in the Netherlands.
All in all, still not an obstacle to not letting it go well for you here!
Must say that I do not count on every baht / euro, but so far I have the idea that the costs are a bit different, certain import products are more expensive than in the Netherlands. It really stands and falls with what you buy. On the other hand, if you eat from the local market, for example, it is dirt cheap again.
If I go to the Big C for some basic stuff for the week, I'm usually out 1000-2000 baht, depending. These are amounts that I also spent on groceries in the Netherlands.
This usually involves some simple things such as bread, cheese, toppings, coffee, sugar, detergent, some care products, etc. Sometimes some meat for the BBQ.
The difference with the Netherlands was that my dinner was also included in the groceries, and here I actually eat out every day, have a BBQ at home a few times or something in that spirit.
The quality of, for example, cheese, bread and spreads is considerably better in the Netherlands compared to what you buy here.
So more expensive or cheaper than in the Netherlands, depending on what and where you buy it. If you want to live and cook like in the Netherlands, you will pay more. If you adapt a little to the local customs, it is either the same or even cheaper.
Vegetables, fruit, fish and meat are cheap on the market in Thailand. However, if you go to Tesco or Big C, you pay much more than in the Netherlands in my experience.
I can only go by what I hear from my Thai wife and compare Bangkok to Amsterdam when it comes to buying farang food.
According to her, overall Albert H. is cheaper than, for example, Foodland or Tops. This is even stronger in other cheaper supermarkets in Asd If you go to the market in Bkk, you will be cheaper for what you can find there, but you cannot get everything there. Conversely, you go to the market in Asd then you can find everything there and it is also cheaper than Albert H. or other supers.
If you want to cook Thai food in Asd, you can find everything in the vicinity of the Nieuwmarkt and Zeedijk, but everything is more expensive overall than in Bkk.
The current poor exchange rate of the euro/bht will only make the differences more favorable for the Netherlands.
No one can answer that, as this is strictly personal what you need every day to live, if you live like the Thais then life is much cheaper, if you want to cook like in Belgium and the Netherlands, then decide for yourself, make list what you normally need every day, and compare the prices with Belgium or the Netherlands, I also did and came to the conclusion that life “for me” is more than 50% more expensive than Belgium or the Netherlands in terms of food. (obviously no Restaurants)
It just depends on how you look at it, in the Netherlands the fruit and vegetables are much cheaper at harvest time than in Thailand, beer, milk canned vegetables, Dove douce and creme Nivea, etc. are more expensive (everything is imported) a jar of applesauce Thailand 135 Bath Netherlands (Hak) 89 cent Sprouts frozen bag 205 Thbt (very tasty) The Netherlands 1 euro the chocolate Thailand much more expensive
A year ago we started avoiding Tesco Lotus and Big C in a tourist town and have since gone to Tesco Lotus and Big C in an area with 95% Thai customers. The range is less extensive than in tourist places, but generally cheaper and, above all, cozier.
We buy almost exclusively Thai food. If we want to eat Western, we usually go to the Makro, but that rarely happens.
Thai supermarkets are already more expensive at the moment.
http://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/comparison/rotterdam/pattaya
If you click or “food” you will see that Thailand is only 11% cheaper here.
If you take out the “food outside the door”, Thailand suddenly turns out to be a lot more expensive.
(The red numbers on the right in this example represent a more expensive Pattaya compared to Rotterdam)
The higher beer and wine prices are striking.
Dear Reint,
I actually didn't give you a good answer to your question.
Here are the prices of AH. (There are supermarkets that are 15% cheaper)
http://www.ah.nl/producten
If you want to know it all as precisely as possible: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Netherlands&country2=Thailand&city1=Amsterdam&city2=Pattaya
The price difference between Amsterdam and Pattaya is then compared.
You can also compare Amsterdam with Bangkok: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Netherlands&country2=Thailand&city1=Amsterdam&city2=Bangkok
And THERE we indeed see that the prices in the supermarkets in Bangkok are slightly higher.
Interesting too http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp with a ranking by country. (100 = New York).
On “my” island Koh Jum everything has to come from the mainland by boat and drinking water is very expensive here.
For 5 liters I pay 50 THB, which I get in NL a few thousand liters.
Wine is also very expensive and of poor quality, but we still eat “outside” every day.
Dear Rene,
prices on an island cannot and should not be compared with prices on the mainland.
There is probably a mistake in your calculation of drinking water: 50THB or let say 1.5 Euro that you have a FEW THOUSAND liters of drinking water for that in the Netherlands??? A few thousand drops will certainly be better.
Wine TERRIBLE expensive ? For South African wine I pay +/- 900 THB for 5 liters and it is best to drink.
Yes, living in an island can be romantic.
Lung addie
Addie,
His calculation is correct. I live next to the Singha production plant, and pay at gate 48 Thb. for 6 bottles of 1,5 liters, so a total of 9 liters. We are talking about DRINKING water here. The water supplied in d 20 liter canisters for 13 Thb is undrinkable for me.
It's also true: In the Netherlands, 1 liter of GREAT drinking water costs about 0,00002 ct. Notwithstanding the fact that I pay a fortune for “standing fees” in Amsterdam.
The comment on wine: I'll leave the statement about "best to drink" for what it is. For the equivalent of 4,75 euros per liter there is something better available in the Netherlands, let alone in South Africa!
Hello people, I have lived in the Isaan for 5 years and now again for 2 years in Rotterdam, but here in Rotterdam, with purchases at the market AH and Lidl, I can get by with less than half than in Thailand and then we eat here mainly Thai food in the Netherlands. I think it depends a lot on where you source from and what you eat. My advice for Thailand, go to the market and the Makro, then you can cook both Thai and European for a reasonable price. My experience is that Thai fruit is cheaper in Thailand and European fruit is cheaper in the Netherlands, but it actually makes sense. As one of the previous writers already said, in the Netherlands you have to deal with much higher rents and many taxes, which on balance makes life in the Netherlands about 40% more expensive, calculated at an exchange rate of 40 baht or higher, at the current exchange rate, the difference is smaller, so the advantage of the current exchange rate If you have income from Thailand, you suddenly get a lot more Euros for your money.
Incidentally, if you don't eat at home, but outside the door and think of the night markets and the food centers at the supermarkets and large gas stations, the advantage in Thailand is much greater. In the Netherlands, the cheapest meals are easily 150 baht and higher. and in Taihland you can buy a meal between 40 and 100 Baht. On the other hand, you can buy a complete breakfast in the Netherlands for 40 Baht, including coffee. Have fun.
Completely agree Ruud,
You have the big advantage with a low purchase price / rent of your house / condo, no heating costs, low water / electricity bill, cheap diesel / gasoline
funny to see that almost all, if not all, farangs do live here, but apparently many adhere to the eating habits of NL and therefore also the groceries that go with it, which of course is not cheap. it is my experience in Thailand and also when I lived in India that there is a lot of local food available and certainly much cheaper than foreign products. I go to a local market 2 or 3 times a week for all vegetables, fruit, fish, eggs, etc. and I am almost always amazed at how much I get for the little money. the same applies when I go out for dinner, I only go to local eateries, steetvendors (konkaai) and then have a meal for 35-40 thb. of course there are others from 40 to 200 thb. what I just want to point out is that you can always make it as cheap and as expensive as you want. if I go to tops for a jar of peanut butter, I'm also quite expensive, but I know that. When in Rome do like the romans do!
I wish everyone a pleasant and healthy stay in Thailand. HH
You really have to eat Thai food because the rest is much more expensive here than in the Netherlands. cheese, brown bread, peanut butter, bock sausages, beef, vegetables, pizzas, salmon, coffee, dishwasher tablets, chocolate, butter, olive oil. very expensive.
If you go to the supermarkets near the big shopping centers you pay the top price and it has been mentioned before the market is a lot cheaper. So it does matter where you buy what. Eating out is a lot cheaper if you go to the regular eating places, but if you go to the more expensive restaurants you pay about the same as in Amsterdam, for example. I eat a lot of fruit myself and that is cheaper and tastier for me in Thailand. different for everyone, but I myself pay on average for all products I buy the same as in Amsterdam. In Thailand you can enjoy the sun more and it is free…….
Very true men Thailand has become very expensive in recent years. But we have a Minister of Economic Affairs who stated that Thailand was 75% cheaper. let Henk Kamp come here then he can see that he is completely wrong. Which economists do they actually have there? Have therefore successfully challenged the 50% discount for AWW and AWN benefits at the European Court for persons living here in Thailand. Panic in the tent because I have received at least 50 requests for help for loans in recent weeks, because our old people can no longer cope and many are forced to return, with all the extra costs that entails.
Sprouts at the Rimping Supermarket here in Chiang Mai 850 baht per kilo, chicory 1200 baht per kilo, white or red onions 450 baht per kilo. So we just don't buy things like that out of principle, otherwise it will be really more expensive here than in the Netherlands.
Sometimes there are nicer sprouts and even organic for 200 baht per kilo at a market outside. Yoghurt easily costs 115 baht per liter. converted. I buy 5 liters of milk in the supermarket here for 175 baht and make my own yogurt for 35 baht per liter, which is about the same as in the Netherlands. Raw milk is also available for 20 baht/litre. Rice cakes here quickly cost 95 baht per pack, which is quickly 10 times as much as in the Netherlands. Then no rice cakes. Many vegetables of reasonably reliable quality are available here at the Royal Project store for lower prices than in the Netherlands. All in all, you have to be careful and just leave stupidly priced things and also buy a lot outside supermarkets to end up with an approximately equal amount with a mix of Western and Thai products. That mix does contain delicious ripe mangoes that are rarely really tasty in the Netherlands.
You don't have to be in Thailand for really cheap food such as at an Aldi or Lidl. Way too much small scale and import duties.
I will open my response with the statement that food in Thailand, compared to Belgium and therefore also in the Netherlands, is relatively GOOD. It totally depends on what and where you buy certain things. I usually cook myself and that's not because I want to stick to Farang food or don't like Thai. I just like to cook, that's it. The only thing I never prepare myself is fish and seafood. Although they are dirt cheap here, I live close to the fishing port, Ao Pathiu, known for its excellent fish restaurants, I prefer to eat these at a resto, as no one can prepare this better than Thai.
In Belgium, just like here, I did ALL my shopping myself, because I am single. So I know the prices, both here and in Belgium. Comparing product by product is pointless, I look at it over the period of one month. In Belgium I went shopping 'weekly' in a supermarket, not the cheapest Aldi and not the most expensive Carrefour (here in Thailand now Big C). At that time I had an average of 120/125 Euro per week. In Thailand, because of the distance, I go shopping once a month, mainly in Makro and have an average of 7000/8000THB per MONTH. Converted, I therefore arrive at 1/4th of the price in Belgium and I think this gives a real picture of the cost of food in Thailand compared to Belgium. Monthly purchases in Makro mainly consist of food and beverages.
I buy fruit and vegetables at the local market where I have plenty of choice: carrots, Chinese cabbage (15THB/pc), Pak Hom/Bum (10THB/portion and comparable to spinach), onions, potatoes (not bintjes from the Netherlands but very good potatoes from the north of Thailand ) celery and you name it … ..
I also buy spreads (different types of ham, salami…), cheeses and T-Bone steack from a local company that specializes in processing and freezing these foodstuffs for restaurants in tourist centers and imports from Australia. TOP quality. The prices scare me, but in a favorable sense.
Yes, in Thailand you need to know where you buy and what you buy. Don't start buying Brussels sprouts, chicory and the like here, unless you really can't wait to put this on the daily menu until you go to your own country.
As far as wine is concerned, I read quite often: TERRIBLE expensive …. I drink wine every day with dinner and am satisfied with the South African wine which I buy in Makro for about 900THB/5l. It is of course no Chateau Petrus but good enough as a table wine. In Belgium I paid 21Euro/5l for an equivalent wine, where is that "terrible" difference ???
I also have the experience that quite a few Farangs are rolled by their “Tie Rakjes” which give them a monthly household budget. Often a part of this household budget goes to other purposes, (which reader fills in himself or writer gets back with loads of str….t) which then result in that life in Thailand is expensive.
Lung addie
Just an addition to Nico.Z Will translate it into euros what some Europeans are used to. A kilo of cheese 25 euros. Peanut butter 4'5 euros. Milk 2 liters 2'5 euros. Butter 250 gr 2,5 euro. margarine same. Jar of jam 2 euros. Potatoes 1 euro the kilo
A brown bread 4 euros. Olive oil 1 liter 10 euros. A jar of small gherkins or pickled onions 4 euros. A jar of spaghetti sauce 2,5 euros. All these products have increased by 15% in the past year.
There are not many prices below 100 baht here
Yes, some vegetables and some fruit are relatively cheap. But rice is also expensive
So all those stories that it is so cheap in Thailand is definitely not true.
Import duties are huge. Runs up to 70%
Fully agree with the prices quoted, yes I pay those prices too, as I mentioned you have to count on at least 50% more expensive if you want to eat European. A good steak also costs 1200 Baht per kilo in Big C and charcuterie is certainly not affordable 10 slices of salami for 300 Baht!
Exactly, you also mention something….I am slowly starting to get annoyed by these kinds of expressions. OF COURSE these things are more expensive and OF COURSE it makes buying food more expensive. However, you live in Thailand. Not in the Netherlands!
Sjaak I thought the question was, are the foods more expensive or cheaper than in Belgium or the Netherlands, the answer is very simple, if you want to eat the same in the Netherlands or Belgium at least 50% more expensive!