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Reader question: How long and how many times a year can I go on holiday to the Netherlands or another country?

By Editorial
Posted in Reader question
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October 11, 2013

Dear readers,

I have a question: How long and how many times a year can I go on holiday to the Netherlands or another country?

I am an expat living in Pattaya, deregistered from the Netherlands and no longer liable to pay tax in the Netherlands with an exemption (am older than 65) I am registered in Thailand and own a Tambien Job, the yellow booklet.

Now I want to travel from Thailand to other countries and sometimes also to the Netherlands. Does anybody have experience with this? Can I jeopardize my tax exemption if I am 'too much' from Thailand? What is accepted and what are the standards in this area of ​​taxation?

I naturally want to adhere to those standards if they exist at all.

Your reaction please,

Piet

Number of times read: 166

14 responses to “Reader question: How long and how many times a year can I go on holiday to the Netherlands or another country?”

  1. great martin says up
    12 October 2013 at 11: 34

    Moderator: read the question first. It's not about visa, it's about tax.

  2. Harry says up
    12 October 2013 at 11: 44

    Since you are officially resident in Thailand, you are subject to Thai tax rules.
    For NL I know: you are liable for tax in NL for your worldwide income if you spend 183 nights or more in NL. You are deemed not to have left NL for tax purposes if you return within one year. If you only spend 90 days or less, you only pay tax on the income earned in NL during those days.
    Of course everything stands or falls with the part: “prove”. You will not be the first with a mobile home in Lux and Fr, and a cottage in NL, B and D. A matter of math.

  3. great martin says up
    12 October 2013 at 12: 04

    If you have been deregistered in the Netherlands, ie live somewhere outside the Netherlands, the Dutch tax authorities will not be interested in where and for how long you go on holiday. As long as you do not go on holiday in the Netherlands for longer than 3 months and do not go to work during that time, not either. Doesn't it seem difficult to get a job without a registered residential address? The Dutch tax authorities provide detailed information on your request on its site. Maybe you can already become wiser there?. Think about your visa obligations in advance when you leave Thailand. great martin.

  4. l.low size says up
    12 October 2013 at 12: 32

    Dear Pete,

    Do you already know how long you can stay away from Thailand without any problems
    to come back?
    Visa ed

    Sincerely,

    Lodewijk

  5. top rebel says up
    12 October 2013 at 13: 31

    I'm not Piet, but you can enter with a 1-year multi-entry visa until the last visa validity day. This date is printed in your visa. From that day you can stay in Thailand for another 90 days. So you must enter BEFORE your visa has expired. Otherwise, the 90 days extra party will not take place. So you have a 1-year visa that is valid for 1 year + 90 days in practice. Kind regards. top rebel.

    • Piet says up
      12 October 2013 at 14: 28

      So I am the questioner Piet
      My question has nothing to do with visas that's fine .. I want to know if you have experience with the fact that I can lose my tax exemption by not being in Thailand where I officially live ... can I travel through Australia for half a year? ? Can I go to the Netherlands for 5 months etc etc

    • Dick van der Lugt says up
      12 October 2013 at 14: 53

      @ top rebel ea Soon on Thailandblog: Sixteen questions and answers about visas and everything related to it, written by Ronny Mergits.

      • great martin says up
        12 October 2013 at 17: 39

        A more than excellent idea Dick. My 2 thumbs up for that story. It seems that many bloggers simply do not find their way to the sites of the Thai emigration service and the Thai embassy in the Netherlands, where everything is clearly and legibly described. great martin

    • LOUISE says up
      13 October 2013 at 08: 08

      Moderator: Please only respond to the reader's question.

  6. great martin says up
    12 October 2013 at 17: 34

    Wherever you are, you only have to pay tax if you have income from work or income, for example from rent, interest, etc. You can only pay in the country where your home is registered. That's pretty much all said. I also wonder how the tax in the Netherlands knows that you are tramping through Australia? You are no longer in the Netherlands and you have also deregistered. So it won't matter to them that you're lying under the palms in Tahiti, which I'd like to grant you.

    In my blog today 12:04 it is. Read ? top rebel.

    • Piet says up
      12 October 2013 at 17: 51

      Thanks Martin for your response
      I receive a tax exemption because of the treaty between the Netherlands and Thailand, so no check is carried out to ensure that I am actually staying in Thailand during the exemption (I received 5 years), so according to your system I could also camp in the Netherlands for 6 months in a hut on the hey ?? That won't happen, it's too good for that in Thailand
      Also whether they check it or not and whether they can, for me it's about there are rules in this area and who has good / bad experiences with that
      Pete the questioner

  7. Erik says up
    12 October 2013 at 19: 13

    You are liable for tax in the country where you reside for more than 180 days. If that is not the case anywhere, you become an ET or Eternal Traveler. You are then in a gray area with regard to your tax liability and not entirely without risk in that respect, especially if that is the case every year.

    For example, if you stay in the Netherlands for more than 3 months, but less than 180 days and roam around for the rest of the year and do not stay anywhere longer than 180 days and the tax in the Netherlands gets wind of it, they may claim that you are taxable in the Netherlands because there is the center of your existence..

    For example, if you stay in the US for between 4 and 6 months, you are obliged to state where you pay tax and if not, you are liable to pay tax with them.
    Different rules apply for different countries.

    The decisive factor is where the center of your existence can be designated (domicile) by your nationality. family, the length of your stay, owning a home, association memberships, owning a car and other activities.

    The safest way is to demonstrably stay in Thailand for at least 180 days a year, then you are virtually taxable for nothing as long as you do not work there and do not do business.

  8. Lammert de Haan says up
    13 October 2013 at 13: 22

    Dear Pete.
    The responses you have received so far are almost all unusable and contain many inaccuracies.

    Your question is: "How long and how many times a year can I go on holiday?".

    You also state that you are older than 65, are no longer liable to pay tax in the Netherlands (with an exemption) and are registered in Thailand. I then assume that you still have Dutch nationality.

    I will base my answer on this information.

    The rules of tax liability are given in national legislation and in the tax treaty concluded between the Netherlands and Thailand.

    As a Dutch citizen, you are at all times liable to pay tax under Dutch law. Which country is actually allowed to levy tax on certain income components is determined in the tax treaty. Whether you then actually have to pay tax is regulated by national legislation.

    As long as you have your (tax) residence in Thailand, you are considered a “foreign taxpayer” by the Dutch tax authorities and, if you are invited to do so, you will have to declare your worldwide income. Terms of 3 months to 183 nights (see previous responses) have nothing to do with this.

    Who is then allowed to levy tax is determined by the tax treaty. To stick to your situation, the following may occur (exceptionally:

    Type of income Taxable
    AOW / Anw Netherlands
    Government pension Netherlands
    Private pension Thailand
    Annuity Thailand
    Interest on savings in Thailand
    Dividend Thailand

    Your state pension (if you are 65+) is therefore always and only taxed in the Netherlands. See your annual statement from the SVB, stating the payroll taxes withheld (probably € 0, given the amount of the benefit). Whether you will also receive an invitation letter from the Dutch tax authorities to file a tax return is highly questionable. If, on the basis of the information available to them, this service concludes that a declaration will not lead to an assessment, such an invitation is usually omitted.

    CONCLUSION.

    Only your status as (tax) resident of Thailand is important and not whether and how often you go on holiday to the Netherlands or, for example, Australia, as long as this residency is not endangered.
    Your Dutch nationality means that in this situation you are a “foreign taxpayer” for Dutch tax law, with the option to choose whether or not to be treated as a Dutch taxpayer (the right choice can be of great importance!).

    If you want more information about avoiding double taxation, see my website:
    http://www.lammertdehaan.heerenveennet.nl

    You can also apply for the Dutch-language tax treaty between the Netherlands and Thailand via this website.

    Yours sincerely.

    Lammert de Haan.

  9. great martin says up
    13 October 2013 at 14: 42

    Thank you. I did not know that I had to pay tax in Thailand on the interest on my ING savings book in the Netherlands. Good to know that. Thank you. top rebel


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