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Home » Reader question » Reader Question: How can I become the father of my Thai wife's daughter?
Dear readers,
My Thai wife has a 4 year old child, this child's biological father is Thai but does not take care of her. They will both come to the Netherlands in six months to come and live here.
I would like to acknowledge her child and thus become her legitimate father. My Thai wife also likes this. Does anybody have experience with this? What are the steps in Thailand to be recognized as the legitimate father?
Please your response,
Roel
Roel, these are the rules of the government in NL.
Conditions for recognition of a child
Conditions apply to acknowledging a child. For example, the man acknowledging the child must be 16 years or older.
Terms of recognition
Conditions for acknowledging a child are:
The man acknowledging the child must be 16 years or older.
The mother must give written permission for the recognition if the child is younger than 16 years. If the child is 12 years or older, it must also give written permission. Is the child between the ages of 12 and 16? Then both the mother and the child must give written consent. If the mother and/or child does not want to give permission, alternative permission can be requested from the court.
Recognition is not possible by a man who is not allowed to marry the mother because of blood relationship.
There must not already be 2 parents. For example, was the child adopted by the mother's female partner? Then the father can no longer recognize the child.
Is the man who wants to recognize the child under guardianship due to a mental disorder? Then permission from the subdistrict court is first required.
Conditions for recognition by a married man
You can recognize a child of a woman other than the one you are married to or have a registered partnership with. This can be done if:
the bond between you and the mother is comparable to a marriage;
the bond between you and the child is close and personal.
You must submit a request to the court for this. The court determines whether the conditions have been met.
Foreign declaration of unmarried status
A civil registrar checks whether a child has already been recognized by another man. To do this, he consults the registers of civil status in the Netherlands. He checks whether the father or mother is already married to someone other than the acknowledgment.
This information cannot be consulted if the father or mother lives abroad. Then the civil servant will ask for a foreign declaration of unmarried status.
I think that Dutch law does not matter here, it is about Thai law.
Who is happy with the new system for responding? Just give me back the old one.
Hi Eric,
Have already put several pills under my tongue.
Responded to several posts yesterday and also, I thought the black shots, don't see this.
must have done something wrong
again today.
We'll see, but I don't like it either.
LOUISE
As unclear as anything. Just to name a few, what is it for – sign on the right and the flag. For a new blog reader not to make sense at all, I think they will soon drop out. Please provide a permanent explanation above the comment option. If this response doesn't work either, I'm out. I'd rather post as guest could be a bit clearer and preferably in Dutch.
Hello Marianne. Great story. I assume that your explanation refers to Dutch nationals?. I see no reference to child + mother with foreign (Thai) citizenship, as stated in Roel's question. In addition, the child still has a Thai father, who is also listed as a father in the Thai birth register. great martin
Acknowledging a child is only possible if the acknowledgment is also the father of the child. In the case of the questioner, that is not the circumstance. The NL government says about this: A man is automatically a legal father if he is married to the mother of his child. Are you the father of a child, but not married to the mother? Then you become a legal father by acknowledging the child. See: http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/erkenning-en-ouderlijk-gezag-kind/wat-erkenning-van-een-kind-betekent
We assume that the child is in the name of the Thai biological father, which is normal in Thailand. Ask your wife. That means that the Thai father has to renounce his child and confirm that in Thailand. That will be a nice paper hassle, because everything can / must be translated into (English - then into) Dutch. This concerns a child transfer from the biological to a non-biological father?. If the real father is dead, I don't think it's a problem. But this Thai father is still alive!. I would first ask the municipality where you live how this should be arranged. You can also expect the Thai officials to resist. Due to the experience in the past with expats, who were suddenly no longer loved by the Thai mother, a lot of protection from their own Thai compatriots is present. I would say rightly - because when you stop your relationship with the Thai mother, that child will suffer?. Have fun choosing. great martin
Best martin
If you don't know anything about something then don't respond. Because it's obvious you don't know anything about it. the moderater should have thrown your comment in the trash.
Having an opinion about something is allowed. But here someone asks for advice that determines the further life of a child. Where do you get the idea that Thai Officials are resisting. And then at the end of your comment, have fun figuring it out
Can you explain to me what that means.
I wish to bless the questioner that I succeeded by getting some villagers to testify that my wife was the only one who took care of my eldest son; But I'm talking about 38 years ago now. I don't know if that still works now, try it.
Don't be discouraged by comments like top martin's
If it doesn't work let me know and my wife will see what she can do for you
With kind regards, Kees
The Thailand adoption legislation can be read openly on the www. Just have a look and read on. There you can see that a lot of “paper documents” are requested. That will be a lot of sorting out, delivering, translating, etc. That is pleasant. That's just the Thai side of such an adoption. Thai government speaking officials are concerned. In the past, a lot has gone wrong between foreigners, Thai women and an adoption. The Thai government therefore has reason to view this with suspicion. The same applies in the Netherlands. Putting a child in your name there who has another living biological father is going to be difficult. The Dutch government has had a lot of negative experience there. And arranging it between us as suggested seems like a bad dream to me. Years pass before you get an adoption “rounded”, get used to it at all. Examples of adoptive parents and their problems and questions can be read in the www. In addition, you need the recent adoption legislation 2013, both in the Netherlands and in Thailand. What was possible years ago (?), is no longer possible. But that would be understandable. great martin
Dear Roel. The best and only correct way is to consult the Thai adoption legislation and also the Dutch one. With tricks and tricks that worked 38 years ago, you don't have to touch anything today. Trying it out is a waste of time. In addition, you quickly become suspicious that you want to do something illegal. What you can and must do is described in the adoption legislation of both countries. It is much too long and too detailed to measure it here. There are also several forums in www with interesting themes about adoption, which may also be of interest to you. rebel
Dear Rebel
The way I said above to get the kid along.
It's perfectly legal. And is still used in Thailand.
If the father can't be found. So no gimmick or trick.
Or something illegal. If I thought that I would refrain from commenting.
If I don't want something, the questioner is made difficult by my ignorance
.
What I can also say against Roel is. Did the father acknowledge the child?
If not, no adoption is required. And can he just acknowledge her.
Top Martin that the hassle with all that paper work is counter-pleasant, you don't have to tell me that. Well, that's what I experienced.
That's why I asked you to explain that. Wand you say have fun figuring it out. That doesn't come across as nice to someone who is working on it. And to bless, just take a look at the web site. If you're done with it. I would say try it yourself.
In Thailand you will not get very far with Dutch web chintz
I try to respond but I can't, probably not now. As clear as the log used to be, it is now so confusing. For a new reader, the comment section is absolutely unclear. By the way, for me too.
Your comment should be related to the post. A lot of attention has already been paid to the new comment option on the blog: https://www.thailandblog.nl/van-de-redactie/reactiepaneel-thailandblog-gewijzigd/
You can respond there too.
Dear people who have responded so far,
Thank you for your comments and advice. Let me be clear, this is a child who has been maintained by me for years now with lots of love and respect. The father has not paid any attention to his daughter until now, had run away after getting my wife pregnant.
For me, the well-being of the child and the mother is paramount. I want and will always take care of her as I do for my own children. The recognition of my wife's daughter is based on love, trust and future prospects. Legalizing my paternity is a logical consequence for my wife and myself of our long-standing love for each other in a lasting relationship
relation.
My wife is afraid of the biological father, she has been threatened before by him and his family. He is a difficult person and may ask for money for an autograph (if necessary because he is still registered as the father) or simply refuse to cooperate. He can also simply have disappeared for a long time, with all the consequences that entails.
All in all, my question was asked to learn from your experience. Thanks for your advice.
Roel
Dear Roel. My respect for what you say and what you (you) intend. It also seems to me the right way, first find out what you need according to Thai and Dutch legislation, eg documents and signatures etc. etc. Especially the biological father must renounce his child. And there you also see, quite rightly, any problems appearing. Unfortunately, your feelings and your preoccupation with the legislature do not play the main role. If you have to pay money to the father, that is an option. If he refuses to cooperate, you really have a problem. Therefore ; the informed man also counts for 2. rebel
Dear Roel,
keep the father 'friend', if necessary with a few baths,
convince what is best for his daughter
– arrange papers locally in the village, family card, proof of unmarried status, etc
- get your papers in order
-legalize, Bangkok, via embass.
- take the father with you because of autographs
create passport
-Pick up your passport (note father has to sign)
-waiting for visa and traveling to the Netherlands.
whether you get the child in your name?? I think before the mother
inquire at the Thai embass The Hague,
get well soon
Dear Roel, Recognizing the word in your question makes it confusing. You recognize a child at the birth of the child, or if biological paternity is questioned, for example, in non-married situations, etc. Adopting a child from a woman, the mother, with whom a relationship is entered into later, does not imply legal recognition. Parenthood can be obtained through adoption. This is not easy to do, neither in Thailand nor in the Netherlands. I assume that you are married, after all you always refer to 'my wife'. Because this is a Thai child, from Thai parents, who are both still alive, you will have to follow the Thai procedure in accordance with Thai law. So you could actually investigate
how to make the adoption work. But because your wife and her daughter will be coming to the Netherlands in six months' time, it seems to me that you no longer have time in Thailand to realize the adoption. If you were to achieve this in Thailand, then you would also find yourself in the situation that, in addition to your legal wife, your adoptive daughter would also come to the Netherlands. You then do not have to do anything in the Netherlands: the child's status is clear!
If you are not legally married, you have a problem in Thailand. Your wife knows that. If the father does not agree, then the problem is all the greater. Your wife knows that all the better. Neither in Thailand nor in the Netherlands can you adopt the daughter, if the father has not given permission to do so. In Thailand you will also have to go to court in case the father opposes. If you are going to provide the father with money, you could find yourself in a situation in the Netherlands where the Justice Department accuses you of having bribed the father. It seems to me that in Thailand you work carefully and take your time.
But for me one question still remains: what are you paying attention to not just be a good stepfather to your stepdaughter. In this way, many Thai women live with their child(ren) with their new partner in the Netherlands. It doesn't matter to the kids. And when they get older, they realize they have a biological father in Thailand. Good luck and success!