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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Does my Thai wife also have to apply for a visa for Thailand?
Dear readers,
Does anyone know the answer to the following?
My wife is supposed to go to Thailand 2 weeks earlier than me next year. She also still has a Thai identity card and both Dutch and Thai nationality. She then stays in Thailand for 5 weeks and travels on her Dutch passport. She will of course receive a visa stamp for 1 month.
If she then travels back with me after 5 weeks, she will be arrested for a transfer and you will be fined. Is her Thai identity card sufficient to avoid that fine or do you still have to arrange a visa that is suitable for at least 5 weeks?
Best regards,
Henk
It's very simple, if your wife still has her Thai passport; she travels from Schiphol with her Dutch passport (from the Netherlands), when she enters Thailand she shows her Thai passport, gets an entry stamp and therefore enters Thailand with that (Thai) passport, then she does NOT need a visa, if she leaves Thailand she shows her Thai passport again and then gets an exit stamp, when she arrives in the Netherlands again and goes through passport control, she shows her Dutch passport and enters the country without any problems.
If the airline (in Thailand) is asked for a visa for the Netherlands at check-in, she can simply show her Dutch passport, so no problems, but only at the airline, not at passport control.
The Thai passport control has nothing to do with the fact that she has 2 nationalities, so passports, neither does the Dutch passport control (Marechaussee).
So to summarize, using the Dutch passport in the Netherlands and the Thai in Thailand, and they do not need a visa, still saves time and money.
This is how I have been doing this for years with my wife and children, all 3 of whom have dual nationality.
I wonder one thing, with "Thai identity card" you hopefully mean a valid passport (travel document), with only an ID card this is not the case.
The Thai embassy in The Hague knows about this and even recommends it.
With kind regards,
Lex K
There is no such thing as a Thai identity PASS. There is an identity CARD. And of course the Thai passport. Calling things by their right names is so much clearer. If your wife travels on her Dutch Passport, she will have to deal with the same Thai regulations as is the case for all Dutch people. After all, she makes it known that she is using her Dutch nationality, and will have to be in possession of, for example, a 3-month tourist visa.
If your wife travels with a Thai passport, she can enter and exit TH freely and happily. She uses the TH passport at the border controls in BKK, and after the holiday in AMS. I assume that your wife is in possession of a NL residence permit with an unlimited period of time, which she thus shows on her return to AMS together with her TH passport. She enters NL again without any problems.
Your wife will have to choose: as NL with a visa, or as TH with a passport. She will have to go to the TH embassy and indicate her choice. At the same time, check whether the TH identity card is still valid? This ID is, as you know, of every importance in TH in everyday social life, even more than showing a passport. That is reserved for farang. I guess she doesn't want to be in TH!
Rhudolf I don't understand the second and third paragraph, given that the woman has the Dutch -by Naturalization I guess, but could also be birth- and Thai nationalities and (therefore) also have the passports of those countries. Then you have nothing to do with visas or residence permits (well, in TH if she does not identify herself as someone with Thai nationality). If you have two (or more) nationalities - whatever - you leave country A with the passport of country A and enter country B with passport B. When you leave, you leave with passport B and you enter country A again with passport A.
Simply put: at the border of the Netherlands/Belgium you show that NL/BE/… passport, at the border of the other country (Thailand) you show the TH passport. Both on arrival and departure.
Or was this intended as an example for people with a Dutch residence permit? They can of course enter their own country (Thailand) with their TH passport and enter the Netherlands (or another country in the Schengen area) with their Thai passport and residence permit (certain or indefinite period does not matter, although for a certain period you are allowed less stay away for a long time: the main residence must be in the Netherlands and with a temporary pass, foreign stay is limited to EITHER 1x 6 months OR 3 times in a row for 4 months. See IND website -> frequently asked questions -> main residence).
In Thailand and in the Netherlands, people often use their ID card for identification and not the passport. Tourists must of course show their passport. You don't mean to think so but the last paragraph suggests that there is a difference between Thai and farang… Your ethnicity does not matter, but your nationality does. A foreign tourist / visitor / migrant in Thailand, whether Japanese or farang (Dutch, Swiss or other white / Westerner) for all of them the passport is important. A person with Thai nationality (whether ethnically Thai, Japanese or of farang origin) does not matter, he takes the Thai ID. Migrants here in NL use their foreign passport in combination with any residence permit, people with the NL nationality will find it easier to use their ID card.
In addition for readers who have (a partner) with Thai nationality and a Dutch residence permit. Then take the following into account: with a residence permit for an indefinite period, there are various restrictions, more restrictions than a residence permit for an indefinite period.
VVR UNDETERMINED TIME? :
If you have a residence permit for an indefinite period (i.e. if the right of residence has an explicit end date), take the main residence into account:
"I have been outside the Netherlands for more than three months. Can I still apply for an extension? When you apply for an extension, it will be examined whether you have moved your main residence. If it appears during the extension that the main residence has moved, the residence permit will not be extended. You must then start a new procedure for a residence permit. You may also need to apply for a new mvv. ”
"What is moving principal residence? The main residence is the place where the foreigner lives permanently in the Netherlands. A foreign national has his main residence outside the Netherlands if he does not reside permanently in the Netherlands. (…) Relocation of the main residence outside the Netherlands is in any case accepted if the foreigner:
– Has stayed outside the Netherlands for more than 6 months in a row (consecutively) and has a temporary permit or
– Have resided outside the Netherlands for more than 3 months (consecutively) for the third consecutive year (4 consecutive years) and have a temporary permit
Sources:
1) Customer service guide home > All frequently asked questions > Questions about renewal > I have been outside the Netherlands for more than three months. Can I still apply for an extension?
http://kdw.ind.nl/KnowledgeRoot.aspx?knowledge_id=FAQVerlengingEnLangerDan3MaandenBuitenNL
2) Customer service guide home > All frequently asked questions > > general questions > what is relocation of the main residence?
http://kdw.ind.nl/KnowledgeRoot.aspx?knowledge_id=FAQVerplaatsenHoofdverblijf
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VVR UNDETERMINED TIME:
Is the residence permit for an indefinite period (so no expiry date of the right of residence, no extension necessary)? Then there is the following line:
" If I move abroad, can I keep my residence permit? You may stay in another EU country for a maximum of 6 years with a permanent residence permit. You may stay outside the EU for a maximum of 12 months. ”
Source: Customer Service Guide home > All frequently asked questions >
http://kdw.ind.nl/KnowledgeRoot.aspx?knowledge_id=FAQOnbepaaldeTijdEnVerhuizingNaarHetBuitenland
FINALLY:
Someone with dual nationality, such as the partner of the reader request, does not have this problem. Unless you live abroad for a much longer period of time, then your Dutch nationality can be revoked. But that does not apply to (long) holidays, so I will not go into that here. Information about this can also be found on Rijksoverheid.nl about Dutch nationality (just google it).
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Dear Henk
I think Lex K. has described it clearly and clearly.
My wife has the Belgian/Thai nationality and therefore also travels that way.
Although he is rather light about passport control in BKK.
He forgets that immigration can also ask for the visa upon departure.
My wife usually shows her Belgian identity card.
@KhunRudolf
According to the records, she also has Dutch nationality.
Then why should she show a residence permit, or her Thai passport in AMS, or make a choice in the Thai embassy?
Surely she should not go to the Thai embassy to make a choice, or she should insist on entering Thailand with her Dutch passport, but what is the advantage of that?
Simply enter and exit in AMS on a Dutch passport, and enter and exit in BKK on a Thai passport and you're done.
Or is this different in the Netherlands (AMS)?
My wife just leaves the Netherlands with a Dutch passport, and in Thailand with a Thai passport. It's fine, but she always has to go to Thailand with the Thai passport, if not, they will get annoying there.
It seems to me that if the lady does not have a VALID Thai passport, she must go to The Hague to apply for a new passport at the Thai Embassy.
If she still has Thai nationality, a Thai ID card, an expired Thai passport and possibly a Thai Tambien Baan, there can be no problems.
With a valid passport, the lady can then use her NL-Passport in the Netherlands on departure and arrival, and her Thai passport in Thailand on arrival and departure
Thanks for the quick and many responses. My wife has 2 nationalities, however the Thai passport has never been applied for again, but she does have the Thai identity CARD. I deduce from the answers that you do not need a visa if you also have the Thai passport, but you do if you only have the identity card, because you cannot cross the Thai border with it. So, our choice is to arrange a Thai passport for my wife or just arrange a visa. Let me know if it is different.
Thanks again for the responses,
Henk
Dear Henk,
That's easy to answer!
If you travel to Thailand every year, a passport is the cheapest (valid for 5 years)
If you travel to Thailand once every 5 years, a visa is cheaper
Dear Henk,
Lex K explains it very well indeed. But should your wife travel on a Dutch passport, don't worry about the overstay, your wife will do a visa run! Do you want full information to know it all for sure. Website Thai embassy in The Hague, Contact and send an e-mail. You will receive answers to all your questions the same day!
@Rob V: your comment regarding possession of Dutch nationality is correct. My apology. Read about it. In case of Nl nat she can simply pass the KMar after holiday with a Dutch passport.
@alg: I would advise against using 2 passports. Having the TH passport stamped in/out IN BKK can cause problems at the same KMar in AMS when showing the NL passport. Well, some comments say the opposite. My corrected answer then becomes: on holiday to TH with NL passport and TH visa. And get a new TH passport in TH on the Amphur. Can always come in handy such a pass.