Thailand question: Rabobank asks for fiscal tax number

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February 1 2023

Dear readers,

I have received a letter from Rabobank. In this they ask in which country I am a tax resident and the tin number. Since I live in Thailand, I am a tax resident of Thailand.

My question is are you obliged to provide the tin number?

Regards,

Hans

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8 responses to “Thailand question: Rabobank asks for tax number”

  1. Martin says up

    If you have a yellow tabien job or a pink ID card you can fill in that number, which is normally also your tax number

  2. Andrew van Schaik says up

    We have also received this and returned it completed. “Do'not affix stamp” doesn't work, you have to pay. We don't have a number because our income is so low that we fall under the exemption.
    I've already asked for that, we were surprised and kindly shown off.
    Perhaps it has to do with the “anti-money laundering law” which, incidentally, does exist in theory, but does not yet exist in practice. It will probably stay with theory.
    People in the Netherlands want to use the banks to trace criminal money.
    Just send the form. let them figure it out.

    • William Korat says up

      I also had that form, sending it back without stamps was no problem, it just took a few days longer according to this lady.
      She was well acquainted with it.
      The two questions if I am a US person or was born there in addition were odd to me.
      I had to fill in something like this years ago when applying for a bank account in Thailand, by the way, with similar questions.

    • Lammert de Haan says up

      Hi Andrew,

      The “anti-money laundering law” as you call it does exist and is strictly observed by banks and other financial institutions under penalty of a hefty fine, which can run into the thousands, as Rabobank and ING have already experienced. A Rotterdam colleague of mine has also been fined €10.000.
      And then we are talking about the Money Laundering and Terrorist Financing Prevention Act (Wwft).

      Banks and other financial institutions are obliged to report suspicious transactions to the Financial Supervision Office.

      Incidentally, the question about your tax residence has nothing to do with the Wwft. This question serves a different purpose, as I mentioned earlier.

  3. Ger Korat says up

    If you do not have a TIN number, report to Rabo that you do not have one because you are not subject to tax in Thailand because you live on your assets or. savings or have little or no income. 2 reasons why you could not have a TIN, for example, because then you do not have to file an income tax return in Thailand.

  4. Lung addie says up

    Dear Hans,
    are you Dutch or Belgian?
    As a Belgian, without income from Thailand, the country of residence is Thailand and the tax country is Belgium.
    As Dutch people, Lammert de Haan will give you the best answer.

  5. Lammert de Haan says up

    Hans,

    If you live or stay in Thailand for 180 days or longer, you are subject to unlimited tax liability in Thailand and, pursuant to Article 4 of the Treaty for the avoidance of double taxation concluded by the Netherlands with Thailand, you are indeed only a tax resident of Thailand. That does not mean that you are also required to declare the Personal Income Tax and therefore also have a TIN. If you do not have a TIN for that reason, do not enter anything there.

    From 2017, the Netherlands will automatically exchange financial data of companies and individuals with more than 90 countries in order to combat tax evasion. However, Thailand does not yet fall within this group of countries.

    As a result, all financial institutions in the Netherlands are legally obliged from 2016 to check whether their customers may be subject to tax abroad.

    Apparently not every Dutch bank had its affairs in order on this point because I have noticed increased activity at these banks lately.

    • Pjotter says up

      Mss have some banks waited with messages to people living in Thailand? I received this letter from ING a long time ago. Read something that last year Thailand also signed that CRS thing. Even though this is mainly USA, but mss has to do with it.
      =====
      Thailand signs CRS MCAA

      29 July 2022

      An OECD update dated 28 July 2022 to the list of signatories to the Multilateral Competent Authority Agreement on Automatic Exchange of Financial Account Information (CRS MCAA) indicates that Thailand has signed the agreement.
      By signing the CRS MCAA, Thailand reconfirms its commitment to implement the automatic exchange of financial account information pursuant to the OECD/G20 Common Reporting Standard. The list of CRS MCAA signatories indicates that Thailand intends to begin exchanging information in September 2023. Representatives covering a total of 117 jurisdictions now have signed the CRS MCAA.
      Content provided by Deloitte United States.


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