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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Is a Thai who works insured for health costs?
Dear readers,
I once went to the hospital in Sri Racha with a friend. She had a stomach ache and the doctor prescribed her some medicines. The bill was 2500 baht. Is this normal for a Thai who works and is probably also insured?
Of course I was allowed to pay the bill myself because the Farang is a millionaire after all. I thought she would say my insurance will pay this back and I would only have to pay the difference but none of that.
Later I heard from someone that the Thai has a red card with which he can go to the doctor, because at that price it is unaffordable for a Thai. Another rich experience, but a lot of money poorer.
Regards,
Guido (BE)
Depends on a number of things.
What hospital did that friend go to? Private eg. Bangkok Hospital or one of the many clinics? Pay full pot in various categories.
Or a public hospital? And in the latter case did she have a so-called 30 bath insurance policy. The costs are then relatively limited to nil.At least for the.patient.
Hospital was in Shri Racha (chonburi) I don't know if that is a private hospital. But all looked neat. I don't have more information. thanks in advance for your response.
Guido, was the Government Hospital in Si Racha. With the 30 baht health insurance, she can only go to the hospital where she has registered it. You pay in another hospital. They were probably imported original medicines and they pay a surcharge. I was operated on in this hospital for an inguinal hernia, spent 3 days there and costs for the whole Baht 11000-, yes eleven thousand so not expensive. Received medicines and I paid a surcharge of Baht 600 - total with costs Baht 1000 -. 3 months 1x p / month after checking for which I paid nothing.
Shriratcha is a normal state hospital, ours operated there, stayed there for 6 days, and we only had to pay for the room (where her daughter slept) about 2400 baht, the rest was for the employer, she told me.More I don't know either.
That is incorrect. My wife and son both have a 30 baht card, but in a (fortunately small) accident with the scooter we had to tap off in a public hospital (it was more like a clinic) (500 baht per person). The reason: it was not in our own hometown, but in a village 50 km away. beyond. The 30 baht card will not work then.
Many Thai people do not have a regular permanent job and are therefore not insured through their work, through the so-called Social Security. Through this Social Security for which you pay a monthly premium that depends on your salary and is deducted from it by the employer, you will receive a card, but with that you can only go to 1 hospital (and not all hospitals, e.g. not the private ones). With all others you have to pay the bill. You can change hospitals once a year if, for example, you move or are dissatisfied. So if you want to deviate from the name on your card, as my neighbors did when they gave birth to their second daughter, you pay the bills yourself.
In addition, the Thai people can get a kind of health insurance card in case they are not insured through their work. But here too, this card is only valid for 1 hospital, which is a hospital close to the place where you are registered as a resident. My impression in my own environment is that hardly any Thai has such a card, especially because almost everyone is not registered in Bangkok but still in the old place of residence, often in Isan. Consequence: people do not go back to the old place of residence where they came from, but in some cases go to a hospital in Bangkok and pay the bill…or someone else pays the bill, as in your case.
Nowadays you can also join social security without a fixed base. Taxi drivers or people with a small shop for example. In that case you can go to a hospital near the place where you live / stay. So it does not have to be the place where you are registered. Many but not all hospitals are affiliated with social security. The expensive top private hospitals, for example, do not, but other private hospitals do.
In principle, you go to the hospital that you have chosen yourself and that is on your card. In the event of an emergency, you may initially also go to another hospital if it is closer. You pay the bill yourself, but you can then submit it to social security.
Everyone with a permanent job in the business community is compulsorily insured under social security. Self-employed persons can also take out insurance, but they are not obliged to. A different arrangement applies to the government.
Outside the major cities, people mainly use the golden 30 baht card.
Do you have more information about joining social security without a permanent job? I don't think this exists, but if it is indeed possible, it sounds interesting.
In addition, for many people paying a health bill, preferably by someone else, is a guarantee that the care will be better.
Has some kind of status…..
Just like Chris already wrote, most people in the village where I stay don't have extra health insurance either.
Most, and there are a huge number in Thailand, live on occasional jobs, and are mainly cared for through the so-called 30 Baht scheme.
A scheme that they usually receive in the nearest hospital to their place of residence, and which is in no way comparable, as most of us know from Europe.
There will certainly be differences in state hospitals, but the hospital that I recently visited because of my mother-in-law here in the village spoke volumes for me.
We had to deliver her very early on Saturday morning with severe pain in her entire body to the relevant hospital, where she was the first to hear that no Doctor was present for Weekends, and she had to persevere until Monday when the Doctor was back in the house.
The ward was filthy, the floor still showing old bloodstains from former patients, and the walls hadn't seen a lick of paint in at least 20 years, considering the filth.
Without exaggeration I have already visited dog clinics in Europe, which gave a better impression in terms of beauty and equipment.
Things looked different in the private Sriborin Hospital in the city of Chiangrai, where people with money seem to be well taken care of.
The only thing that disturbed me here is the perhaps unavoidable commercial hassle, that people were presented with the status of the provisional account every day, that not well-insured people may not get along.
If there is a lack of money, so that the daily balance of the bill presented can no longer be paid, the treatment is immediately discontinued, and either remains at home, or again grauen the local state hospital as an option.
I would like to invite someone who is chronically complaining about his healthcare in Europe and thinks I'm exaggerating a bit to take a look here.
For someone who really has the plan to settle permanently in Thailand, a good health insurance is indispensable.
My girlfriend had a steady job, so I thought you would have some kind of insurance through the employer anyway. The hospital was in Shri Racha in Chonburi province.
However, I don't know if this is a private hospital.
Thank you very much for your comment Chris.
it is indeed the case that in Thailand, one can go to a hospital, in the place of residence or close to the place of residence
many medicines are at their own expense and the family has to provide food.
I know someone who is in a hospital in Bangkok, she has to pay for herself, but went to Isaan to have an operation there for free, but then after the operation still goes to the hospital in Bangkok for medication, there at 6 o'clock in the morning goes and somewhere around 11 to come and indeed for the sum of 2000 baht excluding medicine costs.
That can make me very sad, but that's how the system works, I collect medicines here in the Netherlands
that I send to Thailand I know it's not legal but it's a Band-Aid on a big wound.
people would save themselves a lot of misery if they registered in the municipality where they actually live.
Many want this, but it is often not cooperated by the doctor and often also the government. My wife's sister wanted that and was simply flatly refused.
My mother-in-law is a heart patient and is allowed to visit a public specialized hospital in another province for her heart condition. She must do this before every consultation. She also obtained this permission for her rheumatism. My parents-in-law live in Krabi, but the health care there is below average. That is why they have kept their residential address in Greater Bangkok. She comes for checkups every 2 months. In case of urgent serious complaints, she comes by plane. Barely costs 900 Baht outside peak hours.
Thais who work in the government service are insured for their immediate family members.
It does mean that they have to go to a state hospital for treatment.
Also with some foreign companys like ours near Lamphun , many Japanese companies in the Nikom industrial estate have health insurance .
When I was in the Haripunchai private hospital 2 years ago , there were also Thai factory workers who did not have to pay anything .
Jan Beute.
Every Thai who has a regular job in the private sector has a 100% free health insurance through his employer. This runs through the social department of the Ministry of Labor. He and his employer pay a monthly contribution for this due to the maximum amount of 750 baht for the employee. After 1 year, if you are unemployed, you can continue privately for 432 Baht per month and that for life. At the age of 60, you can withdraw the paid premiums plus interest, but then you will lose your insurance.
What are the advantages
A 100% in an affiliated private hospital of your choice in the province where you have your domicile. And 100% free really is 100% free. This also means all prescribed medicines, all surgical procedures and accommodation, Kiné, blood tests, etc. In short, you simply hand over your identity card at the registration desk. Furthermore, there are no formalities. All foreign employees with an employment contract are also affiliated.
My wife, who has not worked for 9 years and who pays 432 Baht per month, is still insured. Every 2 months there is a blood test (free) she has undergone a hysterectomy, 3 days stay (free) preferred a single room with kitchen, sitting area and large bathroom on payment 1 Bht per day. an annual mammogram (free) And as long as she pays 1000Baht per month, she will remain connected
Self-employed persons such as taxi drivers, market vendors, shopkeepers, etc. can also join this, but must of course have a company number.
As an employee in my country of origin, I have never enjoyed such extensive free healthcare. Would also like to add that the notice periods in Thailand are also a lot longer than in Belgium, and that people here are entitled to stamp money if they cancel their work themselves.
That sounds very good Henry. The small self-employed person can therefore insure for 432 Baht per month. Now the next question immediately comes to my mind, can a self-employed person also insure family? Of course I think of myself, woman assured man along?
Anyone can join the Social Security for that 432 baht per month. It is not a family insurance, so each family member insures himself individually.
Everything is therefore 100% insured as Henry states. No, there are quite a lot of restrictions regarding the amount per disease case. And the number of hospitals to choose from is also limited (many state hospitals and some private ones).
Many employees at larger companies, and who are therefore compulsorily insured for Social Security, also have a separate private health insurance policy.
Henry states that you can withdraw your premiums from the age of 60. It's not clear to me what he means by that. It is true that the Social Security also has a small pension benefit. You can use this from the age of 55. In case of retirement you will receive 1% per insured year times the last income with a limit of baht 15,000.-.
So if you have paid premiums for 20 years, you are entitled to 20% of a maximum of 15,000.- or a maximum of 3,000.- baht per month.
Not everyone can join. Conditions are a regular employment contract or a company number. So family members are not insured and cannot join.
Need to put something right, can be deregistered at 55 (retirement age private sector) one does not receive a premium but a pension as quoted by you of max 3000 Baht. But then your health insurance will expire.
There is no limit per case of illness . Only is a premium for a VIP room. Now if you live in greater Bangkok, there is a large choice of affiliated private hospitals in Pathum Thani, preferably six, including the recently opened Paolo Rangsit hospital, which was specially built for patients of the Social security system. In small provinces, of course, this option does not exist.
It is indeed the case that many Thai take out extra insurance. But that is not because there would be limits in the social security system, but because they want to be treated in reputable private hospitals such as Bungrumrad, Bangkok hospital or similar.
Now I advise everyone to visit the social department of your province, there are extensive English brochures ready for you.
Dear Guido,
The lady in question would be supposed to know whether or not she is insured. Especially since she works and it's mandatory; or through the employer or if not through the 40 bhat scheme.
But whatever the case, if someone else pays anyway, everyone prefers to go to an expensive private hospital. Because at the price paid for an upset stomach, it must have been.
A Thai friend has to go to BKK Hospital every month for a consultation and tablets. Always pays the same price. But when I was there recently, he suddenly had to pay more. He didn't understand. There was some talking back and forth, laughing, and then suddenly he was allowed to pay his 'normal price' again (with his money).
So you see, some doctors also have Thai and farang prices.
Were you deserved to get rid of her ailment? You didn't get heartburn or belching?
Best,
Arkom
It is not the doctor who determines the price of a consultation, but the hospital. And BKK hospital is by far the most expensive hospital in Thailand.
I pay with my Kasikorn Mastercard and therefore receive a 5% discount on medicines at my local private hospital. TIT. Private hospitals act weird but also occasionally get promotions. There is strong competition. For private hospitals, the insured persons from the private sector make up the most important part of their income. Healthcare is big business in Thailand.
Not some but all hospitals use a 2-price system. 1 for the Thai and 1 for the foreigner. The difference can be substantial.
After I stopped working in TH for a multinational, I also continued my social security myself ad 432,00 thb per month. I am registered with a private hospital, some private hospitals also accept social security clients.
The registration to my name was quite cumbersome and was not understood in the place where I live, but after many calls to Bangkok I finally got the card
Since a month I have been working again on a 6 month contract with a multinational and I have chosen to continue to pay for the SS myself to avoid the whole fuss of the application again
The SS card via the employer also entitles you to a WW-like benefit, of course, according to Thai legislation, a negligible sum for expats. So I can't use this service
But of other matters such as benefits upon the death of myself (for my partner) and a payment when I stop working, kind of AOW, also not a lot of money, but cumulatively it can still be a nice sum because I already have a number of worked for years.
You can register the SS card according to your own preference. In the companies where I worked, the worker always had a choice of 2/3 hospitals in the vicinity of the factory, also for accidents, but I myself registered my place of residence and work in Bangkok..
In emergencies (while traveling and vacationing in TH) I can use another hospital, there is a chance that you will have to advance yourself, but you can claim again at the SS where you are registered.
Middle management and above often receive an extra zkv so that they can go to private hospitals without SS registration.
Considering the premium of 12 euros per month for full ZKV, I have no problem with a 2-3 hour waiting time that can occur
And this insurance is for life!!!
Be careful Jacob if you request the payment, your SS insurance will expire.
My Thai wife has the 30 Baht insurance and has to go to the hospital in our hometown once a month. Gets examined, gets a bag of meds and has never paid anything.
I have been to the hospital many times with my girlfriend.
But I have never had to pay for her!!!
My wife gave birth to our daughter in a state hospital in time, I believe I spent 10 000 bath
have paid.
Everything had gone well, except that she had contracted a serious infection, 5 days on a drip
Located, costs were 6000 bath, fortunately without serious complications.
Those state hospitals cannot be trusted, they do not look too closely.
And I have even less confidence in those doctors, give me Bangkok hospital, these doctors
have studied abroad, more knowledgeable.