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Reader question: Are Thai really that unreliable?
Dear readers,
For a long time I have been looking for suitable car / scooter rental companies in Thailand with whom I can enter into a business relationship.
Today I found a business owner who wants to rent 'not to Thai'. I will not name any names related to privacy violation. I told the man in question about my dual nationality and started the conversation with him via email. In it, the man told that he does not rent to Thai? Isn't this a bit strange?
He gives the reason 'and I quote': “Because if I have to rent out to Thais, my business can close within 6 months, then half of my material has been stolen”. Says the man of Belgian origin who has established his company in Thailand.
Look no problem for me, actually only I am amazed again at the negativity towards the Thai population. A Westerner who has settled in Thailand and started a business there? Kinda opposite right? Or am I wrong?
Is this more common in Thailand? Landlords who do not want to rent to Thai? And does the Thai have such a bad reputation with us 'westerners'? are they all unreliable thieves?
Thank you kindly,
John
I don't know if research has ever been done on this and if there are any figures. It doesn't seem easy to me to do business with a Thai. Apparently this man also has this feeling among a Thai with a foreign nationality. He is then considered Thai. There is so much corruption and the desire for money is omnipresent. The temptations make people do things that well fill it in. Can be seen daily on the news. Also, as a foreigner you are always behind 1-0 and you are lagging behind. Personally, I wouldn't do business with a Thai because you don't know this person and the examples you do know often speak volumes. Possibly he has already given up the axe before and rightly never asks this again and the question that is also important is: is it important for him to enter into a partnership. Maybe he is satisfied with the way his company is going.
Good luck with your search, but I'm not surprised you still haven't found anything.
My first thought is: YES. My experience is that it is very dangerous to do business with a Thai. Good: I do believe there are exceptions, but many don't
The owner is absolutely right, my girlfriend rents jeeps, light motorcycles 125cc and heavy motorcycles up to 1200cc, but not to Thais. They sign a contract but don't bring anything back, I've often gone to remove the motorcycle or Jeep at night. Or they have disappeared, my girlfriend has lost 6 125cc motorcycles and the Thais have disappeared. In a word, they cannot be trusted.
I know a Thai landlady (very reliable) with a foreign partner who also does not rent to Thais. The ID is given. Card as stolen and an hour later they have a new one. With the supposedly stolen ID. Card that is issued at the rental company, a moped is rented that does not return. The police cannot do anything because the moped was rented with a stolen ID card. If you have experienced this a few times as a landlord, you will let this happen. A foreigner who hands over his passport will always come back.
Every month I fly somewhere with Air Asia, it doesn't matter where and when, as long as it's only 4 or 5 days. AirAsia to Go has a very competitive offer for Ticket+hotel.
In places I rent a scooter, never had a problem with it. price of sometimes 150 Bhat per day (Udon Thani) to 300 Bhat per day (Krabi) Sometimes they ask for a passport, but I never hand it over, they can get a copy and possibly ask for a high deposit of up to 5.000 Bhat . (Chiang Mai) but I always got the deposit back neatly.
I would like to urge everyone to NEVER hand over a passport. The consequences of a “lost” passport are enormous. Police reports, embassy, etc.
In Krabi I “had” to hand over a passport from a landlady, when I told her that it is forbidden by law to ask for this, she suddenly said that her customers hand it over voluntarily.
Greetings Nico
my experiences in doing business with Thai are mixed, just like doing business with farang. I have had very bad experiences here with a Dutchman, a Chinese and an Australian. Doing business in the Netherlands is also risky. Corruption in the Netherlands is accepted, people complain about it.
I want to warn everyone about giving up their passport, never do it, you never know what will happen to it and you are responsible for the consequences. See the fine print on the last page. The passport may only be given to third parties, 'if there is a legal obligation to do so'. I only hand over a copy myself, always have it with me. That way I can't lose my passport. Also watch out for safes in hotels, the owners have a key to them
Yes, this is more common and even worse.
Just one of the issues I know about going into business in Thailand, first hand knowledge of this issue.
A Dutchman who did business with a Thai and invested a considerable amount of money had to save his life and that of his pregnant wife by moving to the Netherlands.
He's been in the Thai's way since the business was going well. Can't recommend it to anyone.
This Belgian entrepreneur knows what he is doing, I think it is wise that you gain a good portion of experience along this way before going into business in Thailand.
Quite difficult actually, if you set up such a company yourself you run the risk that you will be seriously thwarted, to put it mildly, as soon as you are successful and someone else gets in the way.
Wish you good luck despite that.
Nico B
thank you all for your responses. I was born Thai but always lived in the west (NL-B-FR-USA and others). wants to return to my native country for the first time and make a grand tour of Thailand. so it is likely that I am looking for a landlord(s) to rent a car or scooter/motorcycle for myself.
I want to travel to Thailand on my Thai passport so that I do not have residence permits, etc. I can then stay in Thailand indefinitely. Of course I also have a Dutch passport.
how can I best contact lessors and say that I want to rent a car or motorcycle?
On the one hand I'm ashamed to hear that 'the Thai' are like that…and hopefully they aren't all like that? i have friends in thailand who are not like that. Look, entrepreneurs understand that too, that's what I want to say. but to have to do business in such a discriminatory way??
You could rent a motorcycle or car for your own use on your Dutch passport?
Doing business is of a completely different order, you can organize it the way you want and take the risks that you can bear. Of course not all Thai are like that, the good suffer from the bad, that is.
Good luck.
Nico B
My “counterpart” has two houses for rent.
These are rented to Thai for no gold.
In this she is not alone, acquaintances do not do this either.
The reason given is that renting to Thai means that the house will be completely run down within a year.
I just believe that.
A resident of a nearby bungalow rented it out for a year.
Furnished and well.
A neat family rented the property “with contents” for a year.
Within two months the family moved out and a dozen students moved in.
When he returned, the house was a ruin inside.
What wasn't stolen was destroyed.
Everything.
Damage of 150.000 baht.
We also do not rent to Thais.
The risk is too great, often come with a Fake ID card.
Come up with beautiful stories, from a friend who comes on vacation, and want to surprise him.
When it comes to business, the Thai may be unreliable, but the Falang are just as unreliable.
By now I know enough people who are familiar with beautiful business plans from their falang friends.
If you still want to do business in Thailand, make sure you manage yourself instead of needing business partners.
eehhh dear human jus… most probably people don't understand me very well but I don't want to do business with 'landlords'… at least. ..only wants to rent a car / motorcycle or scooter for a certain period of time. I am going to make a big tour in Thailand and to be able to get to places, a rental car or buying a car is a requirement.
via thaibaht sold is a website where private individuals and companies offer service and products. Buying a car is also an option perhaps? (cheaper 2nd hand)
Dear John,
To buy a scooter or car you need a fixed address. Second-hand cars are very expensive and unreliable (a Thai does not maintain). You can get a good second-hand scooter for 750 euros.
You can rent a scooter anywhere, without any problems. Please submit your Dutch passport!
Incidentally, it is usually NOT the intention that you cross the whole of Thailand with it.
For renting a car, it is only advisable to do this with one of the major companies, such as AVIS, because of the insurance. You only need to present your passport and credit card. I have seen a private car rental end in drama a few times, no insurance, complaints from the owners about so-called "damage", deposit lost, etc.
It is indeed the case that most landlords are not so quick to rent a motorcycle to a Thai.
But that's because only poor young Thais want to rent. And they always have money problems, and think they can solve them by selling the motorcycle. But it is certainly not the case that the majority of Thais do this.
My wife rents out bungalows, which is 95% Thai. And there too, it sometimes happens that young Thais say that they will pay their friend tomorrow. But that won't happen. But in general it is better to have Thai as a tenant than the backpackers. Thais just pay and backpackers want everything for next to nothing. And if you're not careful, they'll take your towels too.
I think many people on the Thailand blog only know the less educated Thais. Because if you know the middle class Thais you see a completely different world. Very polite people who certainly do not want to cheat you and are very helpful and social.
I think you score an important point there Cees. I've been a reader of this blog for a long time and am often surprised about negative experiences with Thais, so it's time to share positive experiences too 🙂 My wife comes from a prosperous family living in a suburb of Bangkok lives. I trust her friends (now also my friends) in the same way that I trust my Dutch friends. We have also lent a few thousand euros because one of our Thai friends had to prove to the bank that he had a certain amount in his savings account. We also got that money back in good order.