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Home » Reader question » Reader question: To pay a bribe or not?
Reader question: To pay a bribe or not?
Dear readers,
An ethical question. My friend's son has graduated from high school, sleeping in class. So there was little left. Going to technical school now, but I'm afraid that won't work either.
He could join the army next year, despite a minor medical defect. But to enter you have to pay, my girlfriend mentions the amount of 300.000 baht. That, of course, ends up in the pockets of the intake officer. I haven't been asked yet, but it is likely that I will be required to open the stock market.
On the one hand I don't feel like paying a bribe, but on the other hand I like the feeling of not having that lazy guy in the house every day. What would you do?
Yours faithfully,
Klaasje123
Dear Klaas,
1- you say about your question that it bothers you. Because of ethics. If you care a lot about ethics, answer the question ethically. If it is the case that an amount of 300 thousand ThB probably ends up in the pockets of the intake officer, then the answer should be that you do not cooperate. Plus, you're not going to pay the Thai army to employ a stepson. Plus: you're not going to try to get rid of your stepson through a Thai army officer.
2- But there is one more question beforehand: how come you are going to think about paying to get a stepson out of the house in this way? That too is ethics.
3- You say that your stepson went to high school while sleeping, and that the follow-up to a technical school is of the same cloth. Have you ever sat around the table with mother and son? Do mother and son know how you feel about school performance? Have you ever talked to the teachers? Are there alternatives? What does your stepson want? How does he intend to continue his education? Would you be willing to pay for a different kind of education route at the request of the mother and/or son? Still plenty of questions to answer.
4- My girlfriend wouldn't even dream of even thinking that I could be asked, let alone required of me, to “open up the purse strings”. The fact that you formulate it this way says a lot about your relationship with your girlfriend (and her son).
We talk first, nothing presumed or fantasized, and realistic proposals are discussed. Nothing like: something is going on and you solve it (financially). This is also an ethical issue.
Conclusion and advice: do not pay bribes, and take a close look at your mutual relationships.
Dear Corretje and Soi,
It's not about staying out but about getting in with a minor medical condition and thus a lifelong guarantee of income. And yes Soi, endless talk. Do more at school, what do you want. Make yourself better etc etc, blisters on the tongue. In the meantime I did 2 different high schools, one for sports and one for normal. Get well soon promised, lasts 1 week. Mother fully agrees that's not the point. And another education route, yes I would like to pay for that, as I already do for the daughter at a private school and an English language school in Australia. So yes Soi, there has been some serious talk.
A life-long guarantee of income?
I got the impression you meant conscription. In that case, you actually pay his wages (24 months at 9000 Baht plus room and board). 300.000 Baht for two years of 'boarding school' can be a good investment.
But as far as I know you don't get a life-long guarantee for income. Perhaps you mean a permanent job in the army?
If you are concerned with 'disguising' a medical anomaly as a form of abuse for the Thai government and therefore considering paying a bribe to an official, I find that morally reprehensible.
A month ago it was still about 20.000 baht
Is given to a boy who is drawn by lot
but wanted to do military service.
300.000,00 must be a family trick again
Very clear to me: never, ever.
In the 9 years I've lived here, I've never paid anyone for 'services' and I've never accepted gifts or money from – in this case – students who want a good point.
Seems like a strange story to me, that someone wants to become a soldier, nobody in my area wants to join the army because they are afraid of the attacks in the south and will die there.
regards Leen.
Dear Klaasje123,
Also from experience don't start paying, you keep paying.
(you also indicate where it stays)
Never pay, it probably costs you enough already.
Let him find work or else send him away.
Such figures are of no use to you. It sounds a bit blunt, but it is true.
So DO NOT pay!!
success
Dear Klaasje 123,
I would like to advise you to list everything with the history from the start that you know them, then you almost know what to do! I can tell you some necessary experiences that I have had up close, which is not a benchmark but gives you an idea of what can happen to you, but again it does not have to be the same.
good luck with whatever you decide.
Are you sure that it will not disappear ( possibly partly ) in the pockets of your girlfriend or stepson ?
In short, don't start!
I experienced the same thing at the end of the 90s in the golden age. Was then asked to pay the equivalent of 1000 guilders for the son of my Thai wife to be admitted to the Thai army. I did and did not regret it afterwards 16 years later he now has a good permanent job in the army with a good income.
Interesting post , there the brother of my Thai spouse .
About 3 months ago he paid an amount of 30000 baht for his son a kathoy , who obviously did not want to serve in the army of the prince .
This amount has disappeared into the pockets of the inspection body.
When my spouse told me the story, I said how stupid can people (your brother) be.
Let him serve , maybe one day it will be a real guy and not a pussy .
But also here at the army inspection worth the specter of corruption around.
Yes dear Lord Prayuth in your own ranks they still don't take what you say on TV every day.
Jan Beute.
Klaasje, I would pay if I have confidence that the boy also wants it and will make it happen.
It is customary to pay for a good (indefinite period) position.
I live in Sattahip. This is Navy headquarters. I live in the midst of Navy officers and NCOs. That Baht 300.000- is for payment of the Officers School and everything that goes with it. There is even a large sign outside the relevant Navy camp with the price of Baht 300.000- An entrance exam must also be taken and if the applicant fails it, it is over, he/she will not be accepted, Baht 300.000- or not. So these are not bribes.
My wife and my 18 year old son are going to the Amphur today to register him for the draft, it costs nothing. The Officers School costs money but not the draft and the Officers School you have to pay, just like all other schools.
Investing money in a stepson is normal, you have accepted the bond by marrying his mother.
If you're averse to bribes—as I am—then you don't participate if it's not strictly unavoidable and your interests demand it.