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Reader question: Step-by-step plan for emigration?

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May 12, 2016

Dear readers,

I (Dutch) have decided to emigrate to Thailand with my Thai wife. On the Thailand blog I find a wealth of information, but gradually I am dizzy with the many tips and advice about the actions to be taken and sometimes it is not clear whether tips and possibilities have become outdated.

I wondered if someone who has recently emigrated to Thailand (preferably a pensioner) has not made some kind of concrete step-by-step plan or checklist, with information at every step about how and where he/she has arranged things and whether he/she /she would like to share this information?

Thank you in advance!

Jack (My email: [email protected])

Number of times read: 206

16 responses to “Reader question: Step-by-step plan for emigration?”

  1. Rob Surink says up
    12 May 2016 at 12: 39

    I emigrated 8 years ago with wife, children and cat and dog.
    The first rule, when you take household goods etc with you in a container 6 or 12 mtr. request price to dock in Thailand and a 2nd price to home in Thailand. You are shocked by the transport costs for Farang in Thailand. No, this is just theft. Try to find someone in advance for customs clearance and transport in Thaland. The offer I had from my Dutch house to the quay was just as expensive as the transport in Thailand.
    Go to the Thai Embassy, ​​arrange your taxes from the Netherlands in advance. And think when you arrive in Thailand, you are rich, no, you hear AOW and pensions are paid by Ned. taxed, you will be refunded the tax on your pensions later.
    Furthermore, costs in Thailand rise regularly, but your money from Ned. is becoming less and less valuable. When I left 52 Bath now around 39 Bath. Furthermore, with everything you do, you hardly have any rights in Thailand.
    Once in Thailand, you will get the way to immigration, depending on where you are. Get stamp every 90 days and pay 1.900 baht every year for annual visa, with the obligation of 400.000 or 800.000 for a certain time in your bank account.
    Furthermore, where are you going to live, you will soon receive requests to support neighbours, acquaintances, family or even people you have never seen. But count on it you will never see anything back and the North Sun is close by.
    In short, consider well, a vacation, or a long vacation is different from permanent.
    I had no regrets and was not dependent on money, so it was easier, but I still miss my herring, cheese, meats, etc. and currently also my thick sweater. Chanthaburi between 37 and 40 degrees and no water for the plantation.

    • Nico B says up
      12 May 2016 at 16: 10

      Just adding something to this comment.
      A good mover in the Netherlands has permanent contacts in Thailand and who takes care of the door-to-door transport with a quote in advance. But does Jak want to take his belongings with him? See my comment below. So we're going to see a lot going by here that may not need to be addressed at all.
      For most pensions, except in any case for civil servants' pensions, you can get an exemption from income tax in NL, then you do not have to get it back later, Aow remains taxed in NL.
      Don't be afraid of negative reactions, just keep your head down and you'll be fine.
      Yes, climate, etc, that's your own choice.
      Nico B

    • Cor Verkerk says up
      12 May 2016 at 18: 50

      Of course it depends on the age, but health insurance can be very expensive

  2. Nico B says up
    12 May 2016 at 13: 24

    Dear Jak, can understand your question and hope you understand my response.
    It would be useful in my opinion if you provide information about your situation so that a targeted response can be given, you talk about emigrating and your wife, so if married, living together permanently in Thailand, those are the only facts.
    What is your situation, own house or rented house, state pension, pension(s), old entrepreneur with annuity policy(es and/or life insurance policy(es), bringing household effects yes/no? How much household effects? When to Thailand? Renting or buying or building there If that information is not available, it will be an answer with a lot of useless information, like ... if you own a house then ..., if you have a state pension then ...
    Anyway, I wish you good luck with your preparations and welcome to Thailand soon.
    Nico B

  3. Leo says up
    12 May 2016 at 14: 58

    Dear Jack,
    To obtain a non-immigrant visa OA, multiple entry, I had to take the following steps last September.
    1. Declaration on Behavior, in English, to be requested from the municipality where you live. Takes
    about 2 weeks.
    2. Health statement, can be issued by the general practitioner. Thai Embassy in The Hague
    a standard form for this. The GP must sign this form, including his BIG/number
    to fill in on this. Then have this form legalized by the Ministry of Health,
    Wijnhaven (at the entrance to the CS tram tunnel) in The Hague.
    3. Extract from the birth register. To be applied for at the municipality where you were born. Can, if you do
    doesn't get it right away, take about 2 weeks.
    4. Extract from the population register. To be applied for in the municipality where you live. Normally this will be
    given right away.
    5. SVB income statement with regard to, for example, AOW income. Can provide the SVB, with name
    SVB employee and “wet” signature.
    6. Any other income statements. These generally need to be legalized by
    Export Documentation department of the relevant Chamber of Commerce.

    After all the above documents are ready (and in the case of the health certificate and the income statement(s) have therefore been additionally legalized), all documents must be legalized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Consular Services / Legalization Department.
    Bezuidenhouteseweg 67 in The Hague, 1st floor (take a number at the legalization counter. It is best to be there before 08.45 in the morning. Then it goes pretty quickly. Don't forget that every legalization entails legal fees. Legalization at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs costs I believe Euro 10 per document to be legalized.

    Then with all legalized documents to the Thai Embassy, ​​with passport, application form filled in THREE times, with passport photos, (reservation) flight ticket(s). The Thai Embassy will then also legalize all documents again and will “of course” charge fees for this. Last year it was Euro 90,-. Retirement visa > Euro 150,-.
    Perhaps superfluously: all documents must contain an explanation in English.

    • RonnyLatPhrao says up
      12 May 2016 at 18: 40

      Since he is going to emigrate from the Netherlands, the Non-immigrant “OA” is a visa that is definitely NOT recommended.
      The total cost is much too high. (visa costs, costs to provide forms and costs for legalisations)
      These are all useless expenses that can be avoided.

      Simply apply for a Non-immigrant “O” Single entry in Amsterdam based on Thai marriage. Costs 60 Euros.
      See website of Consulate Amsterdam for the documents to be supplied.
      http://www.royalthaiconsulateamsterdam.nl/index.php/visa-service/visum-aanvragen
      Go to – Requirements for a Non-Immigrant type O (other), single and mulitple entries.

      He will get 90 days upon entry, and can then extend that period in Thailand for a year. Costs 1900 Baht. To be repeated annually.
      Since he is married, only 400 000 Baht in the bank or 40 000 Baht income and done.

      No hassle with all the forms, proofs and legalizations mentioned in your response and the associated costs.

      By the way, he will eventually also have to extend this with that Non-immigrant OA when the visa and its period of stay have been used up.
      Of course he cannot extend and apply for a Non-immigrant OA again, but then he will have to return to the Netherlands every two years, because that is the only country where he can obtain it. Then calculate what that visa will cost him every two years.

      See also File Visa
      https://www.thailandblog.nl/wp-content/uploads/TB-Dossier-Visum-2016-Definitief-18-februari-2016.pdf

      Consulate Amsterdam
      http://www.royalthaiconsulateamsterdam.nl/index.php/visa-service/visum-aanvragen
      See – Requirements for a Non-Immigrant type O (other), single and mulitple entries.

      • Lung addie says up
        13 May 2016 at 02: 47

        What Ronny writes here is completely in line with reality, as always with Ronny's comments. I believe Lee misread the question and is confusing things with someone who wants to get married in Thailand. In that case you will of course need other documents than just moving.

        As far as the possible sending of goods to Thailand is concerned: coboy stories here too. Just contact Windmill Forwarding, they will do the rest. The cost is not too bad, at least if you are selective about what you want to send and do not send any excess useless junk.

        Moving permanently to Thailand requires proper preparation, after all it is an important step in life that you do not just take. Very important is the financial side of the matter. Incidentally, the intention cannot be to take steps backwards, but to be able to maintain at least as good a standard of living as in the home country.
        I have one experience of this: someone who cannot meet the financial requirements of Thailand will have a hard time making ends meet just about anywhere in the world.

      • Edward says up
        13 May 2016 at 04: 23

        “Since he is married, only 400 Baht in the bank or 000 Baht income and “done”

        Sorry Ronny, but it is not that easy to apply for a visa for a year based on Thai marriage, did this once….never again, they ask you the shirt off your body, they send the immigration police on your roof, at me with four men at the same time !, ask for photos far into the private sphere, and YES to your bedroom !!, neighbors and friends have to testify whether it really is your home address, and every year again that charade!

        For me and my Thai Wife "never" more, then rather a Retirement visa and 800.000 Bath on the Thai bank account, hand over a few copies + 1900 Bath, and you will be outside within 10 minutes.

        • RonnyLatPhrao says up
          13 May 2016 at 07: 47

          Dear Edward,

          I'm talking about what is minimum financially needed to get a year extension.
          What you further describe what will happen is also all described in the Dossier Visa, and that is why there is also that link.
          I'm not going to write everything again in every comment because then I wouldn't have to make that entire Dossier.
          By the way, with a “Thai Marriage” extension you will usually also have to deal with the “under consideration” stamp so that you can go back a few weeks later for the final stamp.
          Not the simplest and fastest solution, but the one that requires the least financially.
          Not all immigrations are so demanding for a “Thai marriage” and the following years are usually not too bad.

          If he wants his extension based on “Retirement” then that is indeed possible and then there are financially other solutions than just those 800 Baht. Also in the file.

        • Nico B says up
          13 May 2016 at 08: 32

          The reaction of Immigration mentioned by Eduardus has everything to do with the marriages of convenience that apparently exist on a large scale, so seen from the Thai side, this is not an incomprehensible reaction.
          My Immigration Office also recommends doing an annual extension of a Retirement Visa based on a bank balance and not based on income statement(s), arguing that this is easiest for both Immigration and yourself and then, barring exceptional situations, no further investigation is necessary.
          Some will succeed, but not everyone is aware of this at Immigration, so it is no more than advice from Immigration.
          Nico B

  4. Leo says up
    12 May 2016 at 15: 08

    Another addition to my previous post. If you want to live permanently in Thailand, you must deregister in the Netherlands, at the municipality where you live. Also cancel health insurance and possibly take out a new one in Thailand (via AA insurance in Hua Hin / Pattaya this goes very well).
    Apply to the tax authorities for exemption from paying payroll tax on income other than your state pension.

  5. erik says up
    12 May 2016 at 15: 47

    Step 1 to 999: your health insurance policy.
    Step 1.000: Everything mentioned above.
    In this order.

  6. Lung John says up
    12 May 2016 at 18: 20

    Dear Jack,

    I myself have not yet emigrated to Thailand, but that will come sooner or later. one thing is certain, if you want to know everything that is allowed and not allowed, then I can only advise you to take a look at this site. Everything you read here is according to the new legislation in Thailand itself. Good luck in advance

    http://www.thailand-info.be/

    Lung

  7. miek37 says up
    12 May 2016 at 20: 17

    I would like to be kept informed of the reactions as it will happen with us in 3 years.

  8. Jacques says up
    13 May 2016 at 11: 28

    Your question raises other questions in order to express a correct and balanced opinion. Your opinion is apparently already established and you want to emigrate with your wife and I would therefore think that you are aware of what is going on and what is needed to ensure that the emigration runs smoothly. However, you ask for a step-by-step plan and this indicates to me that you are not fully informed. My advice is the motto look before you leap. I was not fully prepared when I emigrated and then you still come to unpleasant conclusions. Certain things you have no influence on and you have to take it for granted and you must be able to do that. The best thing to do is to try, for example, spend a year here in Thailand and not burn all the ships behind you. What you have lost is not easily gained again. Remember behind the horizon the sun shines, but there is also doom and gloom for many who either do not know themselves well and have encountered themselves or there are other apparent reasons why it does not always work out as you would like.
    Life can be pleasant here, but make sure you have enough income and make a calculation that still has room to spare of about 25% because, as indicated earlier, if the euro loses even more value, the fun will soon be over and Turning every bath is no fun. The measures taken by, for example, the European bank and the Dutch government are also not in favor of the emigrant. Realize that you become a kind of second-class Dutch citizen and they are simply less popular in the Netherlands.
    Finally, I would like to advise you to make the choice yourself when everything has become clear and not to do this for your partner and of course you know whether this is the case or not. Good luck with your final decision and all the best from a temporarily overheated Thailand.

    • Barry says up
      13 May 2016 at 19: 42

      absolutely right Jacques, it's not all roses scent and moonshine, I lived full time in Thailand for over 6 years, I've seen more unhappy emigrated Dutch people than happy ones, for many there is no turning back after the burning of all ships here in the Netherlands.
      But they will never admit it.
      First go to Thailand for a year to see if you like it, Thailand is not that cheap anymore, (health insurance, but come on we are healthy, we don't need it, costs nothing in the hospital in Thailand until something happens) I have now taken the middle ground from April to October in the Netherlands and the rest in Thailand, and I am happy with that.
      But if I had to choose full time Netherlands or full time to Thailand, I stayed here in the Netherlands, yes we have a lot of rules here and sometimes it's not fun, but there are no rules there, they just want your money.


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