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Home » Reader question » Reader question: Retirement visa and do I have to “sign out” when I leave Thailand?
Dear readers,
I have been living in Thailand as a pensioner since 2008. The first 3 years always with a tourist visa and from 2011 I had a retirement visa every year and since then I have been to the Netherlands once every 2 years to visit family.
I am now 73 years old and receive my AOW monthly as well as my pension, which is a net total of 97.500 Bath. Have deregistered in the Netherlands and in possession of the yellow booklet and a Thai (falang) identity document.
I plan to fly to the Netherlands on September 7, 2017, while I have to report my 17-day report as of September 2017, 90 and I would normally have to reapply for my retirement visa on October 4, 2017. My return ticket is November 18, 2017.
How and where can I get/buy a new retirement visa? Do I have to “unsubscribe” because I will be leaving Thailand on September 7?
I intend to stay in the Netherlands for at least 2018 months each year from 4.
I await the responses with interest.
Yours faithfully,
Fred
Dear Fred,
To avoid problems, better do it a few days before you leave, then just start over again for 90 days. You can only be 7 days (I thought) about the date, so if you do just before you leave, you're good.
Good flight
Hendrik
A 90 day address notification expires upon leaving Thailand. When you enter, you start again from 1.
Being out of Thailand for four months every year is no problem with a retirement visa if you choose the right time. You do not have to do the 90-day notification, but when you come back you must immediately report that you are back. However, you will not be back in time to have your Retirement Visa renewed, so it expires and you have to start all over again.
Since the immigration offices have different rules, you could try to have your visa extended before you go to the Netherlands. (Maybe they do this as an exception because I thought the official time window is shorter than a month) Good luck.
You have to get a re-entry at Immigration, costs 1900 Bt
When you leave Thailand you will get a date stamp at the airport.
Then your visa will expire
When you come back, you get another stamp and your visa starts running again
the 90 days were also interrupted.
I just go to Immigration to make sure everything is in order?
I'm not going to count myself, I'll leave that to them. This is in Chiang Mai
A “Single Re-entry” costs 1000 Baht. A “Multiple Re-entry” costs 3800 Baht.
An extension (any) costs 1900 Baht.
The term of a “visa” does not stop or start again upon entry. Not possible either.
That would mean that the days you were not there would be added later, which is not the case.
The days you were not there are lost.
The purpose of a “Re-entry” is not to lose a previously obtained period of stay when you leave Thailand, in other words, when you re-enter, you will keep your end date of your previously obtained period of stay with a “Re-entry”.
The 90 days of address notification are also not interrupted.
When you leave Thailand, the count of the 90-day address report expires. Always.
The count starts again from the moment you return to Thailand and this is considered day 1. Not difficult to calculate, I thought. Just 90 days after entry.
This is the case throughout Thailand and therefore also in Chiang Mai.
Oh man, dear Ronny, how patient you are with some of these gentlemen here. Some just talk like they have the truth and knowledge, but tell complete bullshit in packages.
It has already been said and repeated (particularly by you) but apparently it often falls on deaf ears. I have great respect for your knowledge of the matter, but even more for your patience.
Hi Fred,
In Nakhon Ratchasima, you can renew your annual visa up to 40 days before the expiry date.
In your case, you can therefore register with the Immigration Services from August 28, 2017 ( = October 4 – 40 days) to renew your annual visa that expires on October 4, 2017 with a new expiry date of October 4, 2018. When renewing your annual visa, you must you can also request a “Re-Entry” (1.000 THB for single entry, 1x per year) to return to Thailand without any problems and to stay there until the validity date of October 4, 2018.
This single re-entry then has a validity date that expires on October 4, 2018.
Hopefully this is helpful to you.
I always renew my annual visa within the 40-day period preceding the expiry date of my annual visa.
Greetings
You can extend your retirement visa one month in advance.
At some offices even 45 days.
With 30 days you still have time to extend your visa.
With 45 days plenty of time.
Personally, I always extend that when possible and not on the last day.
Then I certainly have time to solve any problems and the validity date of is still always one year after the previous date.
If you are not in Thailand, you do not need to report for 90 days.
When you come back to Thailand, it depends on the immigration office what you have to do.
Some offices want you to report within 24 hours.
The office in Khon Kaen says 90 days of arrival is fine.
Only report within 24 hours if you move house.
But that is the current situation.
If there is a new manager, it can all suddenly become very different.
Whether you have to report within 24 hours after your return, you should therefore inquire at the office, because it depends on the office.
I forgot to mention that, in addition to extending your visa, you must also apply for a re-entry permit (1000 baht for single use).
If you leave Thailand without that re-entry permit, your visa will expire and you will have to start all over again.
Do not actually understand the question of someone who has had a “Retirement visa” since 2011 and therefore returns to the Netherlands every two years.
Do as you do every two years I would say.
Of course there was never a problem, but now I fly to the Netherlands on September 7, so I cannot meet the 90-day notification as of September 17. Return flight from the Netherlands is October 13, while my visa ends on October 4. Substantially different situation than all other times since 2011. I have now chosen the solution to apply for my new retirement visa BEFORE I leave and therefore immediately pay 1000 Bath for the re-entry when it is issued.
The previous times you also had those 90 days of notifications. The are then also expired when leaving Thailand. Upon arrival, they also started counting back from day 1.
After 6 years in a row you would expect someone to know that you can submit your application at least 30 days in advance.
As for "re-entry". You will also have needed it the previous times, otherwise you would have lost your extension.
You could actually find all of them in the Vusum Dossier.
I have the utmost respect for your efforts in preparing a visa file. Apparently it is not as obvious as your response suggested. It seemed like a legitimate reader's question to me. I think I read some unnecessary irritation in your response. So don't forget Immigration Udon's solution.
Apply for a Non O at the Thai embassy in the Netherlands, which can then be converted into a retirement visa.
Who knows may say !!!!
They say that they are starting all over again.
Of course you can.
You simply go to the Netherlands and let your current “Retirement extension” expire. Of course you don't have to get a “Re-entry” before you leave.
Before you go back to Thailand, you will get a Non-immigrant “O” Single entry.
Costs 60 Euros.
You then extend the 90-day residence period that you obtain with this by a year, as you did 6 years before.
Also possible in the Consulate of Amsterdam. See under Non-immigrant visas
http://www.royalthaiconsulateamsterdam.nl/index.php/visa-service/visum-aanvragen
You can apply for a new retirement visa from September 4th as you are used to.
The best thing is because you leave Thailand for the 2018nd X in 2. Buying a multiple entrance costs more than a single, but you can enter and exit carefree. When you leave on September 7, you do not have to report 90 days as soon as you return, you will receive a stamp at the airport and your new 90 days will start from that date.
Dear Fred,
I don't know at which Immigration you arrange your "90 days report" and your retirement visa, but in Pattaya, as far as I know, you can apply for your new retirement visa one month before the expiration date.
According to Jean, this is already 40 days in advance in Korat.
In your case, you would therefore have to apply for a new retirement visa on September 4 before you leave. can apply (or maybe sooner)
You will still be able to meet the due date of Oct. 4. retained (in 2018).
As Jean also indicated : don't forget to apply for a Re-entry Permit visa before you leave Thailand.
If you don't, your retirement visa will expire upon your return to Thailand.
As for the 90-day notification: you don't have to register until September 17. to report, so you do not have to register before departure on September 7. not to report.
Your new reporting period starts again upon your return, so in your case you must report again 90 days after arrival.
This is also allowed a maximum of one week in advance or up to one week after the notification date.
I know that every immigration has its own rules, but I would take Hendrik and Ton's advice with a grain of salt.
The best advice I can give is to inquire at the immigration where you arrange your affairs, then you have it first hand.
Success.
You can also get your 're-entry permit' at the airport of Bangkok, Chiangmai, etc., but only after handing over your boarding pass, so if you actually leave the country at that time.
Yes, and if the stamper on duty just has a lunch break or the re-entry permit is issued elsewhere at the airport, you will be without a re-entry permit. Take your responsibility and simply arrange it in advance and then you do not run the risk of having to submit a new visa application in the Netherlands.
When you arrive at the airport on time and check in, there is time to have that re-entry permit made. They have an office behind passport control. If you take your completed papers there, your 1000 baht, you will be guided there and it will be handled.
I should have done it once, because immigration in Hua Hin was closed the day before I left. And because I always fly on standby, I only had twenty minutes left after I was allowed to board the flight. I made it…. 🙂
I also think it's best to keep the airport as an emergency solution for that reason.
Actually, it is indeed better to always have a “re-entry” ready in your passport.
When you urgently need to leave Thailand
due to family reasons in the Netherlands/Belgium or whatever, it might otherwise be forgotten.
But everyone has to decide that for themselves. If you never go back for whatever reason, or if you don't leave Thailand, such a “Re-entry” in your passport makes no sense either.
I'd go to Immigration anyway and ask the question again. There is no problem at all for the 90-day notification, but for the year extension "may" be a problem. Lately, a stamp of “30 days” extension is often given and the rest is in “considerartion”. After 30 days you have to go back to immigration and you will only receive your definitive annual extension. Often applied to applicants based on marriage to a Thai, but can also be given to unmarried persons, especially those applying for a year extension based on “income”. This measure is now being applied in several places to give immigration time to check the data. If, for example, you go 14 days before the expiry of the annual extension, you can collect the final extension if you are not there !!!!
From Fred Janssen's response on July 27, 2017 at 14:12 PM, I deduce that he submitted his problem to the Udon Thani immigration office. They suggested that he apply for a Non-immigrant “O” Single entry at the embassy in The Hague (or the consulate in Amsterdam) with which he can get a residence permit for 90 days on arrival and then about 30 days before it expires. of his residence permit can apply to the immigration office for an extension of his residence permit by one year.
The bottom line is that Udon Thani's immigration office is proposing that he start "again".
In November 2015, when I applied to the Udon Thani Immigration Office (for the first time) to extend my residence permit for one year, I was first stamped “under consideration” and had to pay ฿2000 and come back 30 days later to get it. decision to accept.
I do not know how long the decision on a follow-up application will take, because I was in the Netherlands in November/December 2016 for health reasons and was therefore unable to submit an application.
If the Udon Thani immigration office can decide on the follow-up application within a working week, it could work, but I think it should be looked very friendly / pathetic. 🙂
Let's take a look at the costs of the alternatives:
Non-immigrant “O” Single entry: €60,– + year extension of residence permit ฿2000(=€51,50) + the necessary statements (income/bank balance) and copies.
Annual extension of residence permit ฿2000(=€51,50) + Re-entry permit ฿1000(=€25,75) + the necessary statements (income/bank balance) and copies.
If we exclude the travel costs to and from the embassy/consulate or the immigration office, we are talking about a difference in costs of €34,25.
Have I forgotten something?
You must also be officially registered within 24 hours of arrival at your Thai residence address at the immigration office under which that residence address administratively falls.
PS: A visa is not a residence permit,
A visa is an indication for the immigration officer to issue a residence permit with a specific duration. He can always decide, visa or no visa, to grant a different length of stay or even refuse entry to the country.