Reader question: How can I continue the relationship with my Thai girlfriend in the Netherlands?
Dear readers,
After a year of emailing and chatting and skyping, my Thai girlfriend and I want to go a step further and continue our relationship in the Netherlands. I understand that an MVV visa is only possible to apply for and obtain if she is still in her own country. We wanted to apply for a tourist visa first and then easily apply for an MVV visa here, but after reading all the websites this is not possible?
She can and wants to apply for an MVV visa, but we are both afraid that it will be rejected because they will ask for a valid reason and we can hardly say that we want to continue our relationship in the flesh and no longer via the internet and possibly even want to get married .
In my opinion, this is sharply rejected. What can I do best? There is no possibility for me to travel there:
- because I have 4 children living at home that I can't leave alone;
- because I don't have the financial resources to travel there.
Of course I can support her and her 1 year old daughter too, but there are already a lot of costs to get her here with the necessary documents, which will already cost enough money. And then to also quickly travel back and forth for a meeting while we are both sure of our case seems to us both a waste of money. Legalize money we need for plane ticket / visa / documents.
What are the chances if my girlfriend will apply for an MVV visa? And what is the best reason to indicate? We prefer to be honest, but I suspect that they are not waiting for this and it is immediately rejected,
MVG
Pascal
Dear Pascal,
I would also start with a tourist visa.
The advantage is that you get to know each other better and she can probably learn the basics of Dutch so that she can immediately take an exam when applying for an MVV.
The latter is only possible in the country of residence of your girlfriend.
If you have never met in person, you can make up things you want, but you can write an MVV visa on your stomach. You will really have to show that you have known each other for a long time, and that does not mean one holiday, and that is not for nothing.
Look before you leap!
I don't know your situation, can't tell from your story how you know her, but if it's only through the internet… be very careful with this kind of thing.
Know that there are tons of scammers on that internet.
That is also one of the reasons that it is made difficult to obtain a visa.
Brought my Thai wife here myself
But was not easy to say the least
They really wanted to know everything about her and me
How did you meet her
How long have you known each other
Proof that you know each other eg photo bill that you sent money everything that shows that you are together
Really not normal which is also important I don't know what kind of work she does but that's one of the things they asked me first
And then the cost picture that you already indicate yourself
Everything is possible. However, there are costs involved and a positive result of the integration test.
But when I look at the family composition of your family and hear in your story that you do not have the finances to go to Thailand plus the finances to arrange everything. Then I would rather wonder whether it is a good financial choice to add 2 people to your family.
But that is your own choice.
The question is, have you met before or is your relationship 100% over the Internet.
Dear Pascal,
If I look at your relationship (only via internet + telephone) you have virtually no chance for a short stay visa.
I have been living in Thailand for 4 years and knew my Thai girlfriend for 1,5 years (we live together) when we decided to apply for a short stay visa to go on holiday to Belgium.
First, my girlfriend had to undergo an interview at the Embassy in Bangkok.
There they really asked her everything: way of getting acquainted, whether you have ever worked in a bar, whether she has a certain connection with Thailand (land deed, house….)
They also asked if we could substantiate our relationship with documentary evidence.
We had plenty of photos and were able to show that we had traveled 1,5 times by plane within Thailand during those 4 years.
They also wanted copies that I actually had a retirement visa in Thailand for 4 years in a row (checking if I was telling the truth).
Despite the fact that I had a certificate showing that I had a pension benefit from Belgium, they still wanted an extract from the bank on which they could see that my pension was actually paid.
In the end, her visa was granted without any problems.
These things that I am telling you is of course in addition to the regulations that you must be able to present at the Embassy.
-Visa application.
-Guarantee 3a.
-Reservation plane trip H&T
-Passport.
-Schengen travel insurance.
So Pascal it's not even like,, I've known my girlfriend for 1 year and let her come over to the Netherlands,,
It's not that simple anymore.
And certainly never have your visa application arranged by visa offices, because they promise a lot, cost a lot of money, and are no guarantee of obtaining a visa at all.
I hope I haven't discouraged you, but it is the harsh reality.
I wish you good luck in advance.
Gino
Dear Pascal,
Most responses will not have given you a satisfactory answer. In fact, I don't think you'll get it. In addition, it is not smart to bring a person who you do not know in a living manner to the Netherlands at your expense. Even if that person were to receive an MVV entry visa, you must provide a financial guarantee for that person for at least five years (provided that you can meet the income requirements). You sign up for that in advance. Subsequently, a residence permit (residence permit) must be applied for in the Netherlands. The certainty that this will be granted is not given in advance. If there are doubts about the good intentions at that time, a residence permit can still be rejected.
I deliberately speak of “person” because it is entirely questionable whether that person is the same person you think is that person. It has already been mentioned, there are many scammers active on the internet. They know how to mislead you very well. Don't think: that won't happen to me. Be carefull. I call it healthy suspicion.
You want to bring the person to the Netherlands solely on the basis of your personal feelings. My advice is, book a cheap flight and go to Thailand for a few weeks to physically meet that person. If it's the person you think it is, check her personal information. If everything is correct and if your feeling is still good, let her come to the Netherlands for three months on the basis of a tourist visa. Then you can make an informed decision on how to proceed. Then you have at least laid a foundation for a hopefully good relationship and the chance of an MVV and residence permit is greatest.
Dion already tells you, they ask you the shirt of your body. That was also the case with us. They even go so far that I considered it a serious invasion of my privacy. I have therefore made this known and refused to provide information that seriously infringed my privacy. I took the risk of rejection. But it was taken up as fairness. The residence permit was issued that same day when she registered with the IND in Utrecht. So my last piece of advice is: don't try to be honest….. but be honest. If you or she is caught lying, you can forget about getting a partner from outside the EU for now and in the future.
It will be difficult anyway because of cultural differences.
I have now been married to my Thai beauty for over a year and a half (I have known her for a year longer) and before I moved to Thailand I went back to her 8 times and she has been to the Netherlands 2 times to see if it is something - she wanted then wanted to emigrate.
In practice, however, this proved unsuccessful. She has a close family relationship and it is seriously cold in the Netherlands, so after a few days she was crying on the couch.
In the end, we settled on plan B, which is where I moved. No regrets for a second and I managed to find a good job, but you don't know in advance which way it can go. This seems to have been the best choice for both of us.
Hello Pascal
We at Thai-Family have now helped dozens of couples with the visa application. Our advice is indeed to start with a holiday visa. In the end, that is by far the cheapest option to bring your girlfriend here for a maximum of 3 months. If you start with MVV, we don't think that will work either, and if you are rejected, you will already have lost 1000 euros: a basic Dutch course, exam at the embassy, translation of all her official papers.
We can help you with applying for a holiday visa. Just send an email to:
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Dear,
An honest conversation at the embassy and first a three-month tourist visa for her. She can get to know you, the climate and, last but not least, your four children! If that clicks, go to Thailand with her to get to know her surroundings. That's how we did it and after our decision to get married, family reunification turned out to be no problem. We have been happily married for 5 years now and have been living in Thailand for almost a year and a half.
Regards and good luck! (look carefully with your eyes, your heart and your mind)
I found a lot of information about the MVV application on this website http://www.nederlandslerenbangkok.com
I would first let your wife come to the Netherlands on a tourist visa for 3 months and see how things are going and then start with the MVV application.
“For me there is no possibility to travel there:
because I have 4 children living at home that I can't leave alone;
because I don't have the financial means to travel there.”
Based on what you yourself have already stated, this is a hopeless case.
If you don't have the money to travel there, don't be under any illusions. It will cost you a lot of money if you ever manage against all probability to bring her and her daughter to the Netherlands permanently.
You are platonically in love, that's great, but come back to reality and give your time your love and attention to your four children, they need you now.
Find people who already live in NL.
Dear Pascal, I'm afraid Patrick is right. Bringing an (as) partner to NL is a costly affair. If you are confident in your choice, be creative enough to definitely meet her in Thailand. Only that will provide the confirmation you need to reduce the chance of cheating. You will not be the 1st and certainly not the last to transfer money for a ticket and visa, and then never hear from her again. A friend of mine had this on hand and even sent money for a ticket twice. The first amount would have been used for sudden hospital costs within the family. Be careful, go there yourself first, you won't regret it.