Buy Thai baht now or better wait?

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June 16, 2019

Dear readers,

My question is what to do? Buy baht or wait? Last year around June 27 – 28 I got 191,250 baht for 5.000 euros. Now I only get 174,750 for 5.000 euros. That is 16,500 baht less in a year or 470 euros more expensive.

Regards,

Apple300

49 responses to “Buy Thai baht now or better wait?”

  1. RonnyLatYa says up

    Buy baht or wait?
    If anyone knows the answer to that, I would like to lend them their crystal ball. 😉

  2. Dirk says up

    Buy or wait. I don't have a crystal ball either. In my humble opinion, export and tourism are experiencing the negative effects of a too strong Thb. Expat opinion will also feel the value pressure of the bath at the moment. But whether this will lead to depreciation, once again crystal ball out of stock…

  3. GeertP says up

    I would say wait a minute, the price is historically low.
    But that is of course no guarantee for the future, every advice is actually plucked out of thin air.

  4. Kees says up

    Anyone who has money in euros or pounds suffers from the expensive baht. If I knew exactly when I had to switch, I would have stopped working long ago.

  5. Hans van Mourik says up

    Hans says.
    For me is also dilemma.
    In August 2018 I came here with cash for 2 years, with me.
    September 2018 the price at Superrich Changmai was 1 at 39,2 Th.B.
    Redeemed for 4 months.
    In November I had to extend my annual visa with an income statement, the rate was 1 to 37.
    Redeemed for 3 months.
    Do it now what I need per month, lowest bill is 1 in 36.
    Must now change again for next month, looked today 1 at 34,85.
    So help me will it drop even further and when should I exchange everything.
    Do not remember.
    Hans

  6. Rob Thai Mai says up

    The baht is too expensive, the Thai government also knows, but it is good for exports. However, the problem also lies with the Euro/Dollar exchange rate. The Euro is suffering from Greece, Spain and Italy and Brexit.

    • pjotter says up

      The Baht is expensive and that is good for export! Am I missing something? Or do you mean import?
      Pjotter

    • Hans says up

      Dear Rob,

      Can you explain to me in simple words why an expensive Baht is good for export?

      In my opinion it is dramatically bad for exports because Thai products are many times more expensive than products from surrounding countries. But maybe I don't understand it 🙂

  7. Hans says up

    The best thing you can do is ask Mr. Prayut. Who might know?

  8. patrick says up

    Our euro has been historically low for a long time, while prices in Thailand are rising every year. In the long run I only see Koreans and Chinese as potential tourists, for us Westerners it is slowly but surely becoming too expensive.

  9. Eric says up

    Same problem, in the good top 50s bath for a euro. That was fun. Now historically low.
    Holding on may be the best option, but how long to wait for the euro to return to a normal level?
    No one can know this, so I exchange what I need and see later, hoping that the bath will weaken a bit and get more for my euro, if not then unfortunately I've had bad luck and it will be a bit more expensive.
    Good luck with your choice!
    Eric

  10. Paul says up

    I would wait because I suspect that between now and a few years the baht will plummet. It's a feeling, not based on anything, so don't take it out on me. The Thai economy has not really improved over the past 10 years, a correction will follow automatically, as has happened in the past.

    • Daniel M. says up

      “between now and a few years”???

      I can't wait to go back to Thailand that long.

      The fact is that there is no seasonal factor. Globally, the baht has been rising for more than 10 years…

      I don't know what to do either.

      Regards,

      Daniel M.

  11. Ton says up

    According to several, there is talk of a currency war.
    For years, the ECB has wanted a weak EUR to promote its own economy: cheaper exports, more expensive imports. Moreover, “nice” to be able to repay the many government debts in Southern Europe against weaker currencies, to print almost unlimited money to buy Southern European bonds and to use them to repay loans issued by Northern European banks. In doing so, the risk of bank loans, made by mafia banks, is shifted to European citizens.
    More than 10 years ago, almost 50 THB for an EUR. There has been a declining trend for years. I will be transferring to TH soon. And see what comes of it. Usually at the end of the month a slightly more favorable EUR exchange rate.

  12. RuudB says up

    If it's not urgent to buy ThB, it's best to just wait. Example: last January I went to exchange Eur 1000 in Paragon, and got ThB 37200. Today more than ThB 2k less. You won't hear me grieving: I also experienced the time when the ThB did more than 45 (even approached 50 or more). Around 2007 we bought our first property at an average price of ThB 49.

    It is more convenient to work the other way around now: for ThB 35K you now get Eur 1000. At the beginning of the year you needed ThB 37,2K for that. Bangkok Bank, among others, cooperates beautifully with TH/NL transfers.

    So you see: it is not possible to give an unequivocal answer to Appel300's question, because it depends on where you are at what time, and in what financial circumstances you find yourself. Play it smart and take advantage of opportunities as they arise, (as the opportunity allows.)

    One thing is clear: TH is pricing itself out of the market. Not only economically because of the much too expensive Baht, also because of the increasingly manifest political and latent social conflicts. There comes a time when TH all this comes at a cost. It is time for the country to embark on a solid democratic path. Also that the Euro will eventually return to ThB 40.

  13. Jan says up

    Keeps looking at coffee grounds. The expectations are that the value of the Euro will weaken some further. Guarantees are never given… See https://walletinvestor.com/forex-forecast/eur-thb-prediction

    • Jan says up

      Incidentally, the exchange rate of the Euro is not at an all-time low. On April 15, 2015, the rate was 34.4 Baht.

      • Taste says up

        Hello Jan, today June 17, 2019 Bangkok Bank 34.4 for 1 euro!

  14. Yan says up

    As mentioned a few weeks ago: the economy in Thailand is not doing very well at all. The first signs are being felt in the automotive industry, where significant reductions/cutbacks are being made in production and personnel. The question remains how long the Baht will continue to be so high...tourism is also suffering...and not even a little bit. Perhaps after the rice harvest it will turn out that people cannot sell it because it is too expensive. I don't have a crystal ball either...but I believe that things cannot continue like this. Moreover, it has been in the air for years and it increasingly appears that the global economy is aiming for parity of the Euro with the Dollar. This means that the Euro will continue to deteriorate... until proportionality with the dollar rate is achieved. It looks like even if the Baht makes a correction, it will remain disadvantageous in the long term as long as the Euro continues to fall... Conclusion: if the Baht makes a correction, buy... because the Euro continues to deteriorate.

  15. john says up

    the exchange rate of the baht is not historically low but high! a common mistake by the way.
    You could say that the exchange rate of the euro against the baht is low (you get little baht for your euro)

  16. Jer says up

    My opinion is that the thai bath is artificially high ge
    being kept. And that can't go well for much longer.
    And that it will fall soon and hard, I certainly expect.

    • Alex says up

      Your statement is correct. This has nothing to do with the Euro, but with the Baht, which is kept artificially high! As a result, Thailand is becoming increasingly expensive, exports and tourism are collapsing.
      When I moved here 10 years ago, and bought my apartment, the baht was 50, now it's 35-36!
      A loss of 22-23% on my income from NL.
      But I'm not complaining,.. it is what it is and we can't change it anyway!

      • john says up

        would mean that you make a very good profit when selling.

        • Theiweert says up

          Yes, everyone who deposited or invested money here 10 years ago has therefore benefited. If they now exchange it for the Euro again.

          The 800.000 bath has also become worth 2500 euros more.

        • singtoo says up

          This, possibly, only if you exchange your Baht back to Eur after selling. 😉
          Otherwise, there is even a chance of loss because of the pressured sales prices of real estate.

  17. Keith 2 says up

    If you look at the graph of about 15 years, there is a downward trend (with ups and downs), in which no change is yet visible. I think there is a good chance that we will go from a few years to 31 to 32, and within a decade to 25 baht in a euro.
    Italy's debts are gigantic, a reason for the ECB (although this was never stated by Draghi) to keep interest rates low for many years to come. Inflation is still too low and the ECB may restart the so-called asset purchase program, which will put further pressure on the euro.
    In addition, the economies in SE Asia are getting stronger, and a stronger currency is part of that.

    The British now receive only half as many bahts for their pound compared to about 15 years ago. But they are also world champions of printing money????

    • Keith 2 says up

      I mean the euro/baht chart. The euro is declining and will continue to fall.

    • john says up

      don't look too much at the euro / baht ratio and don't try to explain it. If you want to know if the Euro
      becomes weaker or stronger, you should first check whether the euro versus, for example, the dollar has become weaker or stronger. I suspect that the dollar has fallen by the same amount against the baht. So it is NOT the Euro that has become weaker (see above text about ECB) but it is simply the various NON BAHT currencies that have all become weaker against the baht. So it is not the euro that has become weaker, but the baht that has become stronger

  18. Harry Roman says up

    The THB has been pegged to the US$ for a VERY LONG time. Formerly 1 US$ = 25 THB by law, in the Tom Yam crisis it collapsed to even 57 per TBH (see https://theculturetrip.com/asia/thailand/articles/understanding-thailand-better-the-tum-yum-kung-crisis/ ), and after a very long time between 34,5 and 31,5 (with some small outliers) see https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=THB&view=10Y of https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/bank-of-england-spot/historical-spot-exchange-rates/usd/USD-to-THB.
    The fact that the Europeans cannot get an equal fiscal block with their eternal squabbling, and now that the Italians, for example, again do not care one bit about the agreements, means, among other things, that their currency, the €uro, remains low compared to the other major = US$. 3/4 or more of the world's trade is in $, so the Thais prefer their currency = cost price as close as possible to that "selling" currency, despite the EU being the largest economic bloc in the world. Hardly anyone cares what Europeans think of it.
    And a national bank, which influences the exchange rate? ? In the mid 80s, Reaganomics made the $ stronger and stronger. The Bundesbank thought it would intervene with DM 3 BILLION at $ 1 = DM 3. Within a few hours, that pot had evaporated. Or like when my UvA lecturers said international exchange rates: “$1000 trillion is circulated per DAY. Did people in Bonn really think they could do something about that? For the exchange rate of the US$ you have to go to the Faculty of Psychology, NOT that of Economics”.
    Dragi succeeded a while ago: “to defend the value of the Euro by all means. and believe me, that will be enough”. With a budget of € 750 billion, 10 times more if Merkel and Hollande dared to bet on it.
    also see https://www.thailandblog.nl/lezersvraag/waar-om-daalt-de-koers-van-de-thaise-baht-zo-snel/

  19. Alex Pakchong says up

    Dear all people,
    Quickly exchange all your euros.
    The euro is over.
    Read “ejbron” or “opiniez” or other honest sites.
    Alex

  20. Roof says up

    I have a friend who invests 9 billion for a pension fund. Of course not alone, but with a team. He told me that based on economic analysis, the baht is the most overvalued currency in the world. He also goes on holiday in Thailand, but that aside. So the advice is to exchange what you really need at the moment. A major correction is coming. The baht should be 38.5 – 40 against the Euro. If you would if I still have some baht lying around at the former rate of 49 from first use up or exchange Euros as suggested earlier.

    • Ger Korat says up

      What is your friend doing there at the pension fund? Making sandwiches in the canteen? With a currency reserve of more than USD 200 billion, Thailand can allow the exchange rate to rise even further, a reserve that is among the highest in the world. And with a trade surplus with foreign countries and an ever-growing economy and a country where others invest and invest capital in shares, among other things, there is no reason to assume that the price is overvalued, because there is no economic fact to support this.

      • Harry Roman says up

        https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/foreign-exchange-reserves see the chart

  21. Apple300 says up

    Lol 5555 so basically I have to ask who has a crystal ball

  22. KeesP says up

    Do you want to go for certainty? To buy!
    Do you want to gamble? To wait!
    It's that simple.

  23. marc says up

    In Belgium and the Netherlands they should not say that we have more purchasing power
    Our money is down more than 5% in 15 years
    We have simply become much poorer while everything in Thailand has become more expensive

    • john says up

      Marc says “our money has fallen 5% in 15 years” Marc that is called inflation. Every country has to deal with this. and aims to keep or get that at roughly 2% per year. Efforts are being made within the eurozone to get and keep inflation at around 2%. That has not happened in the past 5 years. We are at roughly 8% in five years. Can you just look up.!
      So 15% is really incorrect. I think it's good to think about the truth a bit in the discussion, otherwise it will turn into sky racing

  24. According to says up

    Here's my view .the financial market has always GLASS.following currencies for 30 years.euro vs us is not
    Good.euro is rated by dollar.euro has problems with italy greece and ver
    Elections.bath couples with dollar.and that can't go on.auto industry and industrial
    Superpowers such as Unilever etc have been pointing out these problems for a long time, but without results
    As long as the Thai bank does not want to see these problems, the bath will remain excessively strong.
    Tourism is declining rapidly as a result, and when this is recognized, the bath will decrease.
    And when this will happen I don't know. One thing is certain, the trees don't grow here either
    See you in heaven.
    Groet
    According to

  25. Keith 2 says up

    Someone states:
    first 50 baht in 1 euro, now 35 baht.
    With which life in Thailand would have become 23% more expensive for him. That 23% is wrong anyway, because according to his way of calculating it should have been 30%. He reasoned that he now gets 35/50*100% = 70% of the number of bahts for 1 euro compared to before. So he reasoned that everything in euros has now become 30% more expensive in Thailand.

    However, that 30% is also an incorrect calculation, because it is 43%.

    Explanation:
    With 50 baht in 1 euro you first paid 1000/50 = 20 euros for 1000 baht.
    At 35 baht in 1 euro you now pay 1000/35 = 28.6 euros for 1000 baht.

    28.6/20 * 100% = 143%.

    So in euros you now pay 143% of what you first paid for 1000 baht.
    Ergo: it is now 43% more expensive. (Apart from the fact that some things in Thailand have also increased in price.)

    Here's a clearer, simpler example:
    First set 50 baht in 1 euro and now 25 baht, then you get 50% less baht. Many people then think that life in euros has become 50% more expensive in this example. However, it is 100% more expensive, so twice as expensive.

    Because: in the first case you have to pay 1000/50 = 20 euros for 1000 baht.
    In the second case you would have to pay 1000/25 = 40 euros for 1000 baht…. twice as expensive!

  26. Tino Kuis says up

    Nice to hear that strong bath! My son will soon sell some land in Thailand, and I will receive a lot of euros. .

    • chris says up

      I get my salary in Bahts. I'm not complaining but I'm not overly happy either. I don't pay anything in the Netherlands. So I don't notice a strong or weak Baht.

  27. Jan S. says up

    I would just buy now, € 470 less on a nice holiday is manageable.
    Air travel is currently cheaper than last year.

  28. Dirk says up

    The height of the Baht is caused by the weakness of the Euro.
    The expensive Baht is bad for Thailand's export position, think of the rice that they now have to sell expensively abroad.
    The Euro interest is so low that it is wiser to hold other currencies.
    This interest rate is dictated by the ECB, headed by the Italian Draghi.

    prof. Dr. van Duijn called him a “total idiot”, see the interview in Weltschmerz (You tube). Low interest rates are good for the Southern countries but bad for the Northern ones. Our pensions may be cut, it is bad for our economy and of course also for you as a Dutch or Flemish person abroad.
    Should the Euro fail and there will be a “Neuro” (read for the Northern countries) then you will certainly get more than 50 baht for your hard-earned Neuro.

    Fortunately, Draghi will leave in October. he may be succeeded by a Northern economist.

  29. Erwin Fleur says up

    Best still good apple,

    I myself think that the Thai Bath is no longer going up, rather down.
    My suspicion is that Thailand is getting more and more expensive.

    This junta has already indicated that they prefer rich people and not …..
    I predict that the Bath is pegged to the Dollar and will fall even lower.

    The stronger the Bath, the more expensive Thailand becomes.
    I don't agree with this junta because this man has no understanding of economics.

    It is partly that this junta is very strict on the rule (army rules) regarding the visas for people
    from abroad.

    I prefer to see it differently but this is my opinion.

    Yours faithfully,

    Erwin

  30. Jack S says up

    People, then I would say… buy Bitcoin and hold on… in January 2017 you got 1000 dollars for a bitcoin, at the end of 2017 even 20.000 dollars and now you get (it is actually quite low) 9000 dollars for it, so 900% profit compared to January 2017.
    Forecast: in a few years you will receive 40.000 dollars for a bitcoin (you can also buy parts)…
    I have made more than 50% profit in the last three months…
    Why then am I worried about the few % difference between Euro and Thai baht?

    Don't take my advice too seriously. I know that the price differences with Bitcoin are huge. But what I do want to point out:
    The Euro, Baht, Dollar and many other currencies have fallen dramatically in the past decade. In some cases you look at half the value there. In ten years.
    Bitcoin was worth a few euros ten years ago. For 20 Bitcoin you could just buy one pizza. Had that man known then that these 20 Bitcoin would now be worth $180.000? Just sayin.

    • Ger Korat says up

      Well that Sjaak, I missed your stories about bitcoin lately. That was a time when Bitcoin collapsed and many came home with a rude awakening. You said it yourself, the amazing drop from 20,000 to 9000. Yes, bitcoin enthusiasts prefer to tell only positive stories to talk the price up, because this is the only foundation of bitcoin, namely hot air. For more than a year it has been dead quiet in bitcoinland because yes, a hype quickly blows away. So leave your hobby behind so you don't give others a financial debacle.

      • Jack S says up

        It's true, when bitcoin continued to drop from 20.000 to 3500, my heart sank. Still, I used it often enough during that time. You cannot call a currency that has been successfully on the market for 10 years a hype. There are now more users of bitcoin than at the peak of December 2017. Samsung is going to equip its phones with a crypto exchange and Bitcoin continues to do well.
        It is not hot air, but a much greater acceptance and use of bitcoin. What is the value of fiat money now? Governments and banks determine the value and it is clearly lower. Even at its lowest point this year, bitcoin was up 2017% from January 300. The problem with most and I do not exclude myself, we will only look at it again, when the value rises and therefore the journey moves forward.
        However, four months ago I decided to buy at least 2000 baht worth of bitcoin every month. Whether it is worth 1 dollar or 10.000 dollars at that moment makes no difference. In a few years we can see where the journey has gone. And when things go as they have in the past 10 years, you can rejoice, because these monthly purchases will turn out to pay off enormously.
        And what do you do with 50 euros every month in your piggy bank? Not only that these have most likely become much less valuable, but you also had to pay extra to park this promise-based money in an account. Well, then I prefer to “lose” it with my air-fried bitcoin. See who has the last laugh.

    • Keith 2 says up

      People who can buy a number of bitcoins and hold them for years will probably not care much whether they get 39 or 35 baht for a euro.

      Something else: I'm surprised that some people - after having probably lived in Thailand for many years - write bath instead of baht. And I have been seeing this on this blog for many years now.

      • Jack S says up

        Kees, it still surprises.
        As for bitcoin, out of 21 million, only 17 million are still available. Only a very small percentage will be able to have one or more bitcoins. But therein lies the value. It is a currency that mainly experiences deflation, precisely because of its scarcity. In 2020 there will be a halving, which means that it will become even more difficult to produce bitcoins. This can again mean a doubling of the price. When bitcoin is finally accepted by the general public and used more widely, the price could easily reach a million for a bitcoin.


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