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Reader question: What can I do after harassment by a Thai?

By Submitted Message
Posted in Reader question
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January 2 2018

Dear readers,

Am intimidated by a Thai who wants to forward a threatening email to the Dutch embassy in Bangkok. He then sent 2 more emails that were not really friendly either. I am labeled as a mafia member who tries to harass several other people, thus disrupting order in Thailand.

This in response to well-founded critical statements on members of a condominium committee, I asked if they would like to take responsibility, for example, for non-functioning standard facilities of the buildings, such as the drainage system of the toilets. unpleasant odor).

Have sent the 3 emails from this person and a more extensive story to the Dutch embassy in Bangkok, no response yet.

Contacted someone from the tourist police, so they do nothing with these intimidating threatening emails.

Has anyone had a similar experience before, where can you possibly go with this complaint?

Regards,

Willem

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12 Responses to “Reader Question: What Can I Do After Being Harassed by a Thai?”

  1. Khan Yan says up
    2 January 2018 at 13: 23

    Dear Willem,
    You should not expect too much from the "Tourist Police" because they have no authority in Thailand. Because the situation threatens to get out of hand, I advise you to hire a reliable lawyer and to engage him by first sending a letter with all complaints and also all findings as well as threats to the notorious committee that is responsible for for management. I myself have had experience with a bad lawyer, but in the end I found the right one… Watch out and if desired I would like to recommend my lawyer.
    As soon as you go down this road, your attackers will sing a little lower.
    good luck!

  2. Ron says up
    2 January 2018 at 13: 32

    Here in Isan, disputes are submitted to the elected village chief (poe yai ban)

  3. Unclewin says up
    2 January 2018 at 14: 50

    Become a member of the Committee yourself, otherwise you will be jossed while standing there.
    The motto is usually: falang pays, never mind.

  4. joy says up
    2 January 2018 at 14: 56

    Dear Willem,

    In your letter I already read, whatever I would do. I don't think there's anything you can do except to stop paying attention to it.

    Regards Joy

  5. Ton says up
    2 January 2018 at 17: 15

    What is your relationship to this person. Is this possibly in or around the committee?
    Important in a committee is good "popular" representation from the owners.
    Some important residents work their way up there and sometimes do things that are not quite correct and are not accountable for it.
    If those persons notice that their position is threatened, measures are taken. And that is also possible when such a person holds a high position. This is seen all over the world.
    In extreme cases, one can threaten with expulsion from the country by revoking a visa (one has already given you a suggestion: mafia member, disturbance of the peace, a good reason in itself).
    Hiring a neutral lawyer, neutral accountant and reliable interpreter (so no friends of) at the AGM within the residential community can make a lot of difference.
    Make sure you are not alone. A few confidential 1-on-1 conversations in advance with fellow residents and a few questions asked diplomatically during an AGM can provide you with the support of fellow residents, possibly through authorizations. Beware of losing face with the opposing team.
    Be absolutely sure of the facts. Put every step in writing. Confirm things in writing. Do not do any activities that are not allowed according to your visa (reason for withdrawal). The Land Office may also be able to advise you. Maintain proactive contact with the embassy. And if necessary, consult a lawyer about possible threat of visa revocation on the grounds of criminal “disturbance of the peace”.
    One of Prayut's (head of NCPO) spearheads is tackling abuse of power.
    But to walk this path only at the very last and with evidence in hand.
    Hopefully you can work it out amicably.
    Success!

  6. Nik says up
    2 January 2018 at 17: 26

    It is difficult to judge whether it is time to go to a lawyer already. If this is just an email threat then you can do little more than you have done. I would build a file. So keep track of everything and record what happens in writing. You have already started well by sending a story to the embassy, ​​even if they do not respond.

    • Walter says up
      2 January 2018 at 20: 13

      Doesn't seem like a task for the embassy to me, you can hire a lawyer or let the case go, personally I would choose the latter.

  7. henry says up
    3 January 2018 at 02: 43

    The OP has violated one of the basic principles of Thai social etiquette.

    Never seek or enter into dispute or conflict with someone higher up the social ladder or in a position of power against you.

    Let us hope that nothing irreparable has happened in this conflict and that it can still be resolved.
    The most sensible thing you can do is very kindly invite the accuser to a conversation or a dinner to smooth out the folds, where you, even if you are 100% right, take care of the loss of face
    This is the Thai way of resolving conflicts with someone who is not on the social leader or in a position of power against you. That you will ever find support with your Thai neighbors is an illusion and you may forget. A Thai will never publicly interfere in a conflict.

    You just have to leave your Dutch or Flemish way of thinking and comparisons behind when you come to live here. If you don't do this you will never feel happy here.

    A New Zealander in our High Rise complex and member of the management committee also clashed with the chairman. He even made home visits to the other owners to form a protest action committee. He became friendly a few times, but with the urge to stop this action. This man was also right on his side. But he had forgotten that networks and relationships are extremely important in Thailand, and that without a well-developed network, one stands nowhere in Thailand. To cut a long story short. This man received a home visit from immigration who kindly, but again urged him to voluntarily leave the country. Whatever he did. This man lived in Thailand for 17 years, owned several apartments in the complex, also had a Thai wife and teenage children. That is now 3 years ago. The man is still not back.

    Let this real life story be a lesson and a warning

    • henry says up
      3 January 2018 at 02: 47

      I apologize for the typos. I just switched from an AZERTY to a QWERTY keyboard.

  8. Bucky57 says up
    3 January 2018 at 05: 48

    You can see this as slander (defamation). Thai law is very strict in this regard. Just read criminal code defamation art 326 to 333. Point out to the person in question that if he does not stop, you will start using this art.

  9. l.low size says up
    3 January 2018 at 07: 11

    You write in the piece: well-founded critical statements on members of a condominium committee have asked if they want to take their responsibility.

    -To what extent did you contact these people at an earlier stage and what was the reaction like then?
    -In this letter the person is played and not the case, for a Thai that can lose face
    mean.
    -How do other residents react to these defects?

    First try to find a reliable "mediator", preferably a Thai, to negotiate later
    sit down to come up with a solution. Use the committee's annual report, which every resident should receive. Try to prevent further unnecessary escalations.
    A lawyer takes a lot of time and does not solve anything for the time being.

    In Pattaya it is always possible to speak to a lawyer about a problem at the town hall on the 5th floor of the 2nd building, who will give advice where possible. I don't know how this is arranged elsewhere.

    Stay strong

  10. Jan S. says up
    3 January 2018 at 07: 49

    If the defects of the condominium complex are not really serious, then accept everything as it is for the time being. Another option is moving.


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