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Home » Reader question » Reader question: How is this possible at a modern airport like Suvarnabhumi?
Dear readers,
Last year I experienced a shocking event at Suvarnabhumi International Airport in Bangkok. I was in line for passport control and behind me in line. Somewhere 15 meters behind me I heard a huge bang.
I myself thought that a suitcase or something like that had fallen on the floor, but after a few moments I heard a noise and saw a man lying on the floor.
It turned out that the man had suffered a cardiac arrest and had fallen hard to the ground. Reluctantly, some travelers who were a short distance away started to interfere and resuscitation was started.
It was shocking to experience that it took a very long time before a Thai aid worker came to the victim without medical aids.
How is that possible at a super modern airport like BKK??
With kind regards,
Gerard
You can actually find that everywhere in Thailand (and Asia): (correct) aid is very slow to get going.
If you watch videos of accidents (eg cyclist hit by car) in the Netherlands, you will always see a few people running to the victim to help (stabilize, resuscitate, give first aid).
And then also look at similar videos in Thailand: people also run there, but not to help the victim, but to take photos and video recordings.
You have to here in Thailand (not even in China, by the way, where I've seen that happen live: woman hit by car, lying on the street, conscious, men in particular stand around stoically, just put a sweater under the victim's head and but minimally communicated with her in Chinese) don't get into an accident because you are at the mercy of the gods. The advantage is that afterwards you can see on YouTube and Facebook how you looked, surrounded by a crowd of amateur photographers and cameramen!
And? What did you do yourself? Surprise yourself at others, when they were just as caught up in the incident as you were? Just as good in the expectation that someone would know what to do. Did you call around to see if there was a doctor or nurse in the crowd, or if someone happened to see the AED hanging, direct someone to the patient, have someone call XNUMX, take some control on the spot, until help arrives? ? You could have done it all waiting for the rescue team.
Not so long ago someone had a very nasty fall, and with joint forces and help from the bystanders, a lot of damage and injury was limited, and the victim could be transferred to the ambulance people who have now arrived. Thai people don't easily interfere with others, and it was my wife who got things going with a number of directives. With all that farang at the airport, you should have succeeded.
And? frustration of the day. Do you feel relieved Soi.
Gerard has experienced an extraordinary nasty experience and then your reaction is released.
Every person reacts differently. Compliment to your wife Soi.
Most people get stressed in the event of serious accidents or become disaster tourists.
Few people are given the ability to act appropriately.
Sorry Dave, Soi is right. Admittedly, bad experiences can paralyze people, but if you can tell the facts so soberly, you were certainly not paralyzed and the first aid was in place, or if you have no understanding of it, then make sure that that man is helped, even if just by giving orders and turning things upside down. I suspect Dave that you are also a disaster tourist, but I could be wrong, if I'm wrong my apologies.
Now read what Gerard writes: in the meantime people had already started resuscitating, then you are no longer going to squeeze in between them.
Dear Joeri,
I am not a disaster tourist, but always look around first and then act.
I don't have a first aid certificate, but I know how to act. In the past I was trained within the company where I was working at the time, as part of a rescue brigade during disasters and other calamities.
That doesn't mean that I don't feel tensions in any scenarios, I just know how to deal with them better. I only get the discharge after trading.
I hope to have informed you sufficiently with this
I'm not surprised, there may not be a first aid team there, you are supposed to just die when it's your time, or so Boudhists think. : wink
Anno, like at every international airport they have first aid teams.
Medical Center: Located on the Main Terminal – Level 1 open from 08:00 AM – 17:00 PM
Clinics: 2 – Located at Domestic Arrival Pier A and International Arrivals Concourse G
Report the most important thing to the airport staff as soon as possible and don't assume it
that someone else has already done it.
Good read Roy, I was already shocked, no first aid, could hardly imagine that, although, Buddha definitely. 🙂
my husband blacked out the first night of our stay in hua hin and fell to the floor. Fortunately, there were several people in the restaurant and they called an ambulance. What my surprise is that it took at least 20 minutes before an ambulance arrived gently. Luckily it wasn't too serious and we still had a good time. For the same money it would have been his heart and he wouldn't have been there now. Jeanine
A friend of mine drove his motorcycle into a car suddenly turning on the road and flew his head through the door window of the car and ended up seriously injured on the road surface next to the car.Waiting for the arrival of an ambulance, which took a long time lasted, he fished his phone out of his pocket with great pain and effort and, still lying on the street, asked a bystander to call his partner. The bystander answered the phone and then made off with the phone. It was never so easy for the thief to get hold of a phone.
This also happens if you have to wait a long time for assistance
Hi ,
Very strange , recently stood at skytrain station raemkhamhaeng when a man suddenly had an epileptic fit and was lying on the ground with shocks , a solid hood on the back of his head . There were also many looking at it, but a Thai man and I tried to keep the man calm, his girlfriend had called 100 in the meantime.
All's well that ends well, aren't there AED devices on suvarnabumi?
We move to the other side of the world and we expected everything to be just like at home. We are surprised that no first aid team is at work within 30 seconds and we find 20 minutes waiting for an ambulance long. You are in an Asian country where things like this are completely different or even not regulated at all. An ambulance is often a private institution without much medical knowledge, but purely a means of transport that earns money. You are lucky if there is some kind of ambulance, often one ends up in the back of a pick-up with a flashing light. The fact that the driver is wearing a white coat means nothing.
The world has become small, we board a plane and 10 hours later we expected to find a different way of doing things and a different climate. What we did not expect to find is a society that does not carry out or have certain things available as at home. We expected the police to be there to help us, not rip us off, and we like public transport to run on time or it will cost us precious vacation time. We just have very unrealistic expectations.
Some people panic completely in case of an accident or injury, they can't or even do nothing about it.
In military service we got some injections, a big young tough guy in the line passed out just from seeing a hypodermic needle.
In a car accident in which a child was run over while crossing the road and lay convulsing in pain on the street, the mother did nothing but run around screaming and the father first finished his order in the cafeteria.
Some can act, prevent damage to yourself from traffic, ensure that the victim does not suffer further damage, which means, among other things, that a victim does not suffer damage due to incompetent actions, e.g. pick up a child from the street, is sometimes left lying there until experienced medical help available is better, use all your knowledge to provide responsible help to the victim, etc.
Acting and acting correctly, not everyone can do that, luckily I was able to do that at that time.
Others kept the mother running around like a headless chicken and shocked father away from the child, they would only do damage.
Some nuance of the comments on others is in order.
I stayed at the Berkeley pratunam hotel in January 2015. I became seriously ill at night, my wife asked for a doctor. The hotel said that there was no doctor available at night. Yes a Thai doctor said the hotel but he doesn't speak English. She immediately told me that was a scammer. Then my wife asked for an ambulance. The hotel then told you that you will be scammed in the hospital by the same Thai doctor. Early in the morning I was admitted to a private hospital and had surgery the same day. You understand that we are shocked 5 star hotel no doctor and a world city without medical care at night.
Also all this is Amazing Thailand!!!!! Staying healthy is as uncertain as the Thai Lottery.
Last year with Sonkran a Thai man fell from a platform on the back of his head, a lot of people of course but not 1 who held out a hand. People were giving each other instructions to call his parents because he was already dead !!!!. I told my wife he wasn't dead and went to help him, his tongue was shot in his throat and I took it out, a few hard slaps in his face and ice cold water over his head and laid on his side after which he came to again, Great surprise at the Thai and applause !!. Later I asked my wife why no one really did anything. The answer was that the Thais are afraid! and don't know what to do.
My Songkran could not be broken anymore and days later people still came to me and thanked me.
Regards, Antony
You can blame the bystanders for not doing anything, but you should also bear in mind that many people in the Netherlands have followed a BHV / First Aid training for their employer, where you are trained to start up assistance and manage bystanders.
When you don't know how to act, many people are perplexed and can do nothing but watch and they don't even think that emergency services should be alerted.
I am happy to be able to follow this course annually, but I hope never to have to use this knowledge.
Unfortunately, it is a normal phenomenon. You can't go here again saying that this is typical Thai behaviour. If someone is drowning in the water and there are several bystanders, it always takes a while before someone comes into acite. Everyone expects someone else to do something. Eventually, after much hesitation, one person will take responsibility.
In the Netherlands and some other countries, not giving first aid is even a criminal offense (http://ikehbo.nl/eerste-hulp-bij-ongelukken/hulpverlenen/verplicht-of-niet.php)
I don't know if this is in Thailand.
Yes, indeed you expect that in a modern airport every soldier and other uniformed person will take action. Even a passing crew is a whole group of trained people who can help.
I belonged to the latter group and we were always hammered in that whoever finds someone in such a condition immediately calls a second person for help and stays with the victim and starts with help. The second (crew member or passenger) goes to get help and everyone immediately comes with the medical equipment: first aid kit, defibrillator and medical personnel are also immediately requested.
Besides, the best place to go into cardiac arrest or something like that is on the plane en route. Because you can be helped the fastest there. That is not so in a large airport or somewhere in a city (let's not consider rural areas)…
3000 AEDs (defibrillators) will be placed in Thailand.
http://news.thaivisa.com/thailand/defibrillators-being-placed-at-key-locations/11214/
Incidentally, the impression is sometimes given that CPR is often life-saving.
From the Wikipedia:
“A Swedish study from 2005 looked at 29.700 resuscitation patients to see how many were still alive one month after rehabilitation. This was 2,2% of those not resuscitated by bystanders; when CPR was performed by non-professionals, 4,9% survived, while the percentage rose to 9,2% when CPR was provided by professional rescuers who happened to be present as bystanders. According to this study, a significant proportion of people who are successfully resuscitated suffer significant neurological damage.”
Even in the tiny Netherlands, the prescribed 'arrival time' of I believe 15 minutes is often not met by ambulances.
It is best not to worry too much and go to Thailand with peace of mind.