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Reader question: Living in Thailand and having problems registering something in your own country
Dear readers,
I have been living and working in Madrid for 30 years but will be moving to Thailand soon. I am 100% Belgian and therefore also have that nationality. I am in Belgium for about 2 to 3 months a year where I have a house, but I cannot register a car in my name in Belgium. I also can't get car insurance in my name, I can't even get a mobile phone contract with operators. I have to buy and insure my Belgian car in the name of my Belgian girlfriend, my Belgian mobile phone the same, etc. . . So I am actually persona non grata in my own country.
My question now is, do the Dutch who live, so reside, in Thailand have the same problem and if so, how do they circumvent it.
Regards,
Norbert
Dear Norbert, you report that you are present in Belgium, your country of birth, for 2 to 3 months every year. In the Netherlands, you must have been living for at least 4 months in order not to be deregistered from the municipal personal records database (BRP). Dutch citizens can thus live somewhere abroad, for example Thailand, for a maximum of 8 months in order to still be regarded as a Dutch resident. Longer than those 8 months in eg TH, and therefore shorter than 4 months in NL, means that they encounter the same problems as described by you.
I do not share the conclusion that you are persona non grata. After all, you choose to work and live in Spain for over 30 years, being your choice because in your situation and circumstances it is / was the best decision then and now, to then leave for Thailand. Also a decision on your part. You ignore Belgium with that. Again a personal decision.
Do not spend your energy on frustrations, but see how you can find realistic solutions for your Belgian registration problems. For example, by asking a good acquaintance, friend, family member, former colleague to be helpful to you. In short: you have already found an answer to your question.
I'm Belgian and I think that 8-4 rule also applies to Belgium, although I'm not completely sure.
Good on you that it's all about frustrations with Norbert. “I am 100% Belgian” (he means he is white), he feels persona non grata…
This kind of frustration lives with many Belgians, but he has lived and worked in Spain for 30 years, so you cannot expect to enjoy all the benefits of your “own country”… Those times are long gone. Governments no longer allow citizens to “eat it both ways”.
But I don't understand your last sentence, that he has already found an answer to his question himself.
@Adam
No, Belgians may be temporarily absent for a maximum of 1 year without losing their domicile, provided they report this to the municipal administration.
We do not have an 8/4 rule like the Netherlands, even if you temporarily return to Belgian soil, you are entitled to our health insurance as a pensioner, without a waiting period, just visit the health insurance company to confirm this and until when you return, even no additional payment is required. Free
I think you can only have your (main) residence in one place = where you are officially registered.
That's right, not in the Netherlands either.
Got my car and insurance in my daughter's name.
Hans
You have to live in the Netherlands for at least 4 months, otherwise you lose all "rights".
With an international driver's license you can get a Thai driver's license in Thailand.
I have a prepaid card (Orange) for my mobile phone in Belgium that is valid for 1 year.
If you have passed the oral and written tests (Chiang Mai). You can drive around with the international driving license for a maximum of 3 months.
When I still lived in the Netherlands, I had a car and insurance in my name.
Later when I deregistered, I was allowed to keep the car and insurance.
But when I later bought another car, it was no longer allowed in my name.
Hence my daughter's name.
Not sure, but if you first register again, maybe it will work that way, then if you have your car and insurance in your name, then write it out again.
Hans
If you are looking for a construction to put land in your own name, there is nothing to get around.
Americans and millionaires do have a certain arrangement.
You may choose:
Rent, Lease, Usufruct.
A company / company construction with 49% shares in your possession, the rest Thai.
(No fake company on paper, they no longer tolerate that kind of circumvention)
A large (listed) company (for example Tesco or Coca-Cola) with a lot of input may own 100% of the land.
In the name of Thai partner (does not give you any rights)
Perhaps someone can add
Putting a bum from Bangkok in the name of a bum is also no longer an option.
I have my Belgian orange mobile number at my Thai address without any problems, just like my 2nd Belgian. bank accounts, and even a subscription for those aged 65+, all this as a deregistered Belgian.
Just considered,
you have a house in Belgium …, so register at that address.
And I don't know if you know that we as Belgians are allowed to be temporarily absent for a maximum of 1 year, without being written off after x time, and therefore retaining residence for travel/holiday or other reasons, provided that a declaration is made to the municipal administration (in Antwerp this is even possible). be done online) of your “temporary absence”
I did this for about two years before I finally moved to Thailand .
What's more, you can even enter your return online (in Antwerp), so (wink, wink) Only if people really need you and never find you even after 1 year, a problem could arise
It is strange that you are allowed to continue to pay income tax and social security contributions and you are therefore sidelined in your country of birth