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Reader question: Naming baby and child benefit
One of the regular readers of Thailandblog, whom we call Jack for the sake of convenience, has a question that may be answered or advised by someone.
Officially, Jack is still registered in the Netherlands, but lives with his girlfriend Thailand. He is single and has no children. His girlfriend is currently pregnant with him and Jack would love to give the child his name at birth and officially recognize him as his child. In the Netherlands it is possible for an unmarried man, of course with the mother's consent, to give the child his name and legitimize it in such a situation.
Jack's question is: is this also possible in Thailand and what path should he take in the Netherlands and/or Thailand to name the child and acknowledge paternity. A second question is: is the couple eligible for Dutch child benefit?
If someone among the readers of Thailandblog can give useful advice and prefers to do so by e-mail, this is possible via the editorial address (info.apenstaartje.thailandblog.nl).
Hi Jack,
Please read this very carefully.
Gr. Jan.
http://www.st-ab.nl/wetakwor2bckgbn.htm
That's not that hard. Jack has to go to the Dutch embassy with a pregnant girlfriend and sign a Deed of Recognition of an Unborn Child there. Provided he is sure, of course, that the child is his.
Recognition is a lot more difficult after birth, see the embassy's website.
After birth, the child can be given his last name. The birth certificate lists the names of mother and father. After translation and legalization, both parents can apply for a Dutch passport for the child.
If the Dutch father lives almost permanently in Thailand, he can forget about the child benefit, registered in the Netherlands or not. This is only paid if he lives in the Netherlands for a large part of the year, while his child is in Thailand.
“He is only paid if he lives in the Netherlands for a large part of the year, while his child is in Thailand.”
This may still apply until 2014, as the government intends to amend the law and abolish child benefit outside the Eu zone by 2014. How far they are with that I don't know yet, but with this government that law will pass. For the time being, they are investigating all treaties with certain countries to see how far they can adjust them.
However, it also has consequences for children of Dutch parents who were born in the Netherlands and who study in Thailand or the US, for example. They also fall under the new law and will therefore no longer receive child benefit. Under the guise of equal treatment.
We are waiting, because since the beginning of this year it has suddenly become very quiet about this intention.
I think it will be quiet too. The SVB just lets you show up every quarter, if you can't meet that then you no longer live in NL, so end of KB.
My experience is that everything is checked.
Jan.
What Hans bos writes is completely true and applies to other countries as well. Don't wait for the baby to arrive, but go to the Dutch embassy when you are a few months pregnant. I have a child in Italy who waited until after the birth of the baby, he could no longer get Dutch nationality, he should have come during pregnancy.
This is also the case in NL if you are not married or have a registered partnership.
Fortunately, I was told this in time, otherwise I would not have had a child on paper.
ps that does not apply to Dutch nationality of course, but it does apply to arranging guardianship. etc etc etc.
I was dealing with this dilemma more than a year and a half ago. I had a lot of contact with the embassy at the time, but I understand that you have the option to acknowledge it until the child is seven years old. I just have no idea whether this will take a lot of time.
Recognition is not even the biggest stumbling block, but recognition before birth automatically gives the child Dutch citizenship.
'Jack has to go to the Dutch embassy with a pregnant girlfriend and sign a Deed of Recognition of an Unborn Child there. Provided he is sure, of course, that the child is his. Recognition is a lot more difficult after birth, see the embassy's website.'
It will all work fine, but sounds strange to me. As a man, how can you be 100% sure before birth that the child is yours? A DNA test AFTER birth is the only way to be absolutely sure whether the Dutchman is also the father, I think. Anyway, it often happens that I can't catch government agencies on applied locica.
@ robert, It will all work fine, but sounds strange to me. As a man, how can you be 100% sure before birth that the child is yours? A DNA test AFTER birth is the only way to be absolutely sure whether the Dutchman is also the father, I think.
Haha, never thought about that, but you're absolutely right.
Maybe I've lived in America too long… there you have talk shows a la Jerry Springer every day in which all sorts of 'trailer trash' candidates focus on just one question: 'Who is the father?' and this is answered by a DNA test in the same broadcast 😉
If the father is present at the birth, together with the mother's declaration, I don't think you need to have a certificate of recognition of the unborn child in advance and this can be done later in bangkok.
Please note that they record the name father mother correctly, something goes wrong there
Recognition before birth (recognition of unborn child):
This can be read on the website of the Dutch embassy in BKK:
Required documents:
Declaration of unmarried status of both parents. If you live outside the Netherlands, you must submit a declaration of unmarried status from the last municipality where you were registered before your departure, supplemented by a self-declaration (free of form) about the period in which you were deregistered.
NB: If a Thai declaration of unmarried status is submitted, proof of the Thai house registration must also be submitted.
Valid proof of identity from both parents, stating the nationality (passport or ID card, no driver's license).
Written permission from the mother - on which her signature has been legalized - if she cannot be present at the recognition.
With recognition before birth, the child of a non-Dutch mother and Dutch father is automatically Dutch when it is born.
Upwards
Recognition after birth:
Required documents:
Birth certificate of the child
Proof of identity from acknowledgment and mother (stating nationality, so passport or ID card, but e.g. no driver's license),
Declaration of unmarried status of acknowledgment and mother.
NB: If a Thai declaration of unmarried status is submitted, proof of Thai house registration must also be submitted
NB: Children older than 12 years must give their own consent for the recognition.
It is about acquiring Dutch citizenship. In the case of recognition before birth, this is not an issue, after birth you can acknowledge, but the child will only receive Dutch nationality after a lot of hassle. And try to be present at birth in Thailand in case of a caesarean section. But maybe you know the answer to that too.
Hans, forgive my rudeness that I also tried to put a penny in the pocket.
An acquaintance of mine did it this way 2 months ago.
http://www.thai-info.net/netherlands/geboorte.htm
Website is shoddy work. Recognize instead of acknowledging. Various things also contradict what the embassy reports. I prefer that anyway.
Incidentally, it is not only about recognition, it seems to me, but also about acquiring Dutch citizenship/
You may be right, but there are several contradictions? so I would like to know that.
Can you post the link here, I can't find it.
Ps not to be knowledgable, but my girlfriend also wants a child
http://www.netherlandsembassy.in.th/Producten_en_Diensten/Burgerzaken/Erkenning_van_een_kind
I receive child benefit for our children, my situation is similar. My Thai wife with children registered here in Thailand, myself in the Netherlands. However, you have to transfer 480 euros per quarter to your wife's account per child, stating that it is for the maintenance of the child. You must then submit the original Thai bank statements with the original Dutch statements to the Social Insurance Bank (SVB).
(within 2 weeks to avoid delay)
You will then receive the statements back and the child benefit will be transferred to the father.
More information on the SVB website.
Success!
The question is whether the situation is comparable. This partly depends on how old the children are and whether they were born in the Netherlands or Thailand. My application was rejected last year. Child born in T. I registered in NL. But according to the SVB I spend too much time in T. and not enough in NL.
Yes Hans, and if they don't trust it, you can show your face every quarter, and there are even more snags to it.
Well Maarten then you are lucky so far. The working method of the SVB is as follows. They scan their file, then you and in the recent past I come out of it, they send a letter to report you. Between the letter and the day of publication is quite short . Everything else is described below http://www.st-ab.nl/wetakwor2bckgbn.htm
I assume that you are registered in NL.
Fri . Gr. Jan.
I also have 2 children of my own and they live here and so do I. the SVB informed me a few years ago that I live in Thailand and that no child benefit is paid in these cases. This was changed in 2003 or 2004. Don't cheat because they are keen on it and will check. An acquaintance had to show his passport and it was seen that he had stayed in Thailand for more than 180 days, and he had to pay back everything retroactively through a full old age pension deduction.