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Home » Reader question » Reader's question: Register my Thai girlfriend as a surviving relative with ABP
Dear readers,
I have been living in the Netherlands with my Thai girlfriend for 20 years, and I now want to arrange something so that my girlfriend is also registered as a surviving relative with the ABP. For this I have to submit either a marriage certificate or proof of partnership registration or cohabitation contract.
I think I will do the last option, but is this also recognized by Thailand if we want to emigrate? Or is marriage the easiest thing for Thailand?
Regards,
Gert
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In Thailand, only civil marriage applies, as you yourself suggest. Not even the so-called Buddha marriage that is ceremoniously closed. But if ABP accepts a cohabitation contract, what else does Thailand have to do with it? In the unlikely event that society in Thailand ends due to divorce or death, you inform the ABP. If you die, the ABP will also be notified. But if you want to be sure of your case instead of a marriage, link your cohabitation contract to a will.
Gert, what can (not) be recognized for Thailand?
I assume you want to register your partner for survivor's pension starting the day you go to heaven and what does Thailand see about that? If your partner then lives in Thailand, she will receive a survivor's pension there and that is all Thailand sees of it.
TH will not be interested in the way in which you legally arrange cohabitation in NL. It only becomes important if you both live in Thailand and then you can always take steps.
Will tell my experience.
In 2002 when my girlfriend went to the Netherlands with me with an MVV.
I immediately went with her to the notary of my union for a co-delivery contract.
Cost me 150 euros at the time
She lived with me in the Netherlands until 2006 (5 months in the Netherlands, 7 months here with me).
She did not want to stay in the Netherlands, since I had to extend her residence permit in 2007, she also had to go to school for the integration course, and she does not want that.
Because school is from October to May,
I told her in 2007 that when I am 80, I will return to the Netherlands permanently.
In 2009 I deregistered in the Netherlands.
And I don't want to stay in Thailand until my death, so stayed with arrangement 4 – 8 months.
In 2007 I turned 65 years old, then received a letter from the ABP for sharing or not sharing, this IVB pension with surviving relatives.
I then got in touch with my union (ACOM) who told me, if I share, that my pension will also be reduced, how much I don't know anymore.
Informed the notary and the ABP that my co-delivery contract has ended.
I also told her, apart from the household money, she will receive an x amount every 3 months, that if I die, that is her state pension, so she will not receive it.
I heard from an ex-colleague of mine, who married when he was 70, that his wife does not receive a survivor's pension because that is no longer possible after 62.
I have heard this, if you want to know more, please contact the ABP.
As for your question.
I think I will do the last option, but is this also recognized by Thailand if we want to emigrate? Or is marriage the easiest thing for Thailand?
I think so, because she receives the money from the Netherlands (but who am I), asks the ABP.
What I do know is that she has to submit a certificate of life from ABP every year here in Thailand.
She will also receive AOW for those 5 years in the Netherlands, next year she will be 67 years old, go apply for it for her
Hans van Mourik.
Ger. If you choose not to get married, or to conclude a cohabitation contract, don't.
In any case, is she entitled to 20 years old age pension, during the time that she has lived in the Netherlands, at least if she is 67 years old until now.
And if you live here with her, and she has another adult at home, also in her blue book, then you can also get your single allowance, and she probably too, but I'm not sure about the last one.
A few years ago I unexpectedly had a random sample from the SVB.
The first thing I said to those 2 people, sit down and I'll turn on my computer and make coffee.
I saved all my correspondence with the SVB, and then they were allowed to ask me questions.
They've been checking in on me themselves.
They had been working with me for over 2 hours,
A few weeks later, I received a message that my single allowance will not be changed,
A piece of advice keep all your correspondence safe.
Hans van Mourik
Actually you ask 2 questions and to start with the last one, I think it is easier to get married if you also want to live in Thailand because of the visa application. The amount of your pension changes if there is an official partner, but you can partially change this yourself a few months before you retire, for example, more or less partner's pension or the amount of your own pension.
In my opinion, your partner will not receive a survivor's pension if you register her after the start of your state pension (do not get married). When you get married, she is registered automatically.
Partner registration conditions:
You are younger than your state pension age.
You and your partner are older than 18 years.
You and your partner are not married.
You and your partner are not: parent and child, grandparent and grandchild, parent-in-law and daughter-in-law or son-in-law. (Brother and sister or nephew and niece are allowed)
You and your partner live together at 1 address. You are also both registered with the municipality at this address.
You and your partner have a cohabitation contract.
The cohabitation contract is written in Dutch or English.
The cohabitation contract was drawn up before your state pension age and it was signed by a civil-law notary.
The cohabitation contract states that you and your partner support each other.
If you marry or enter into a partnership after your (pre-)pension has commenced, your partner is not entitled to a pension benefit after your death! (possibly on AOW).
Gert.Do you have a military pension.
There is a Facebook page, Military with FLO_UKW.
Last month they talked about this topic.
Because married or cohabitation contract and shared.
That they have 100 euros net of their pension, with their first salary, since they received their pension.
Read it yourself.
Hans van Mourik