Reader question: Tax return assessment year 2020 - income 2019 Belgium

Dear,

If you have already completed your tax return via Tax-on-web in the past, I think you should explicitly ask to receive the return on paper.

I suspect you are now in Thailand, even though it is not explicitly stated in your question…

Does your Thai wife also not have an F card (ID card for foreigners)?

Only if your Thai wife has an F card or an ID card, then she also has a national number (stated on the card). This is also necessary to be known by the tax authorities…

Regards,

Daniel M.

Dear Hans,
You're quoting things that I didn't write.
First of all, Lung Lie's wife does not have Belgian nationality. Whether she has an F card or not, I don't know, it's not talked about or written about. As a Belgian, deregistered or not, you will always remain liable to pay taxes in Belgium. If she does not have an F card or identity card, she is not even known for tax purposes in Belgium. Even though they live abroad, they receive a joint tax return as married couples. If she has no income, you can transfer part of your income to her. To file that tax return, via tax on web, she does not need a token because he can always access the website with his token or with his EID or via ITSME. So I don't really understand the problem.
Finally, if they now live in Thailand and she is Thai, if she has income, she is liable for tax in Thailand and not in Belgium. He is still in Belgium. He may then no longer deduct her as a married person without income. If she has no income in Thailand, he should contact the tax authorities to ask whether he can still introduce this reduction to her, who no longer lives in Belgium. It is impossible for the tax authorities to check her possible income in Thailand. They cannot even determine whether they are still living together and that is a requirement in order not to be treated as actually separated. So …. contact the tax authorities themselves with this question whether they accept this or not.

Dear Gentlemen,

Before writing down some info below. As an insurance agent, I have been filling out tax forms for most of my clients since 2002. I even did that for free at home. As a service (partly also to win customers) I filled in taxes at the ABVV office on 20 sitting days or sitting evenings.

So:
– If you fill in your tax letter via tax-on-web, you will still receive a paper return. This only stops when you tick the box (just before final filing) that you will no longer receive a paper declaration. So all my clients have been receiving paper declarations for a long time now. So I also recommend checking that box if you still throw it in the trash. Enough trees are already being dug up.
– If you are married under Belgian law and your wife has received a foreigner's ID, you will receive a joint tax return in the year after the year of marriage. If your marriage only took place in Thailand and was not registered in Belgium, you will still receive a declaration in your name alone.
– As long as you live in Belgium, you have the additional advantage of the marriage coefficient, at least if your partner earns little or nothing. If you have been deregistered in Belgium and are therefore registered abroad, but still have to file a declaration for income in Belgium, either from work or from a pension, then unfortunately the advantage of the marriage coefficient will no longer apply.
– The Thai wife will of course remain liable to tax in Belgium if she still has an official income. If income in Belgium, then it is a normal situation. If official income is received abroad, then the rules that both countries have mutually agreed upon apply.
– if you file a tax return via Tax-on-web as a couple, both will also appear in the list. If not, then you are not officially married for Belgium. My wife is Thai, but also has Dutch nationality through a previous marriage. She also has a Foreigners ID from Belgium, but it expires at the end of November. since we now live in Thailand, it will not be extended. But she will always be known in Belgium via her national register number. Since I am self-employed, my accountant fills in my tax return. We had to give a power of attorney for that. Not only to file the declaration, but also the power of attorney as a non-resident of Belgium. If your wife no longer has an ID, she can still do so, if she has a bank account with one of the participating banks and has activated an ITSME account.
– Mass hysteria; that's what I call it every year!! The news is always hammering on the timely introduction of taxes. I don't know anyone who has ever been fined for filing a tax return "too late". Not even after 2-3-4-5 months or more. Some did receive a warning, together with the question why the declaration was not made. But never a fine...... so don't lose any sleep over that. Once the declaration is received, it is covered with the cloak of love.
– In connection with the post : I received the package that my daughter sent on 19/09/2020 on 24/10/2020 !!
– an additional fact is that the tax authorities want to get rid of that whole hassle and they now send almost 50% simplified returns. You don't have to do anything about it if you agree with the information that you can consult on tax-on-web.
ooh yes ; you don't need an ID to get a national register number. If you register with the municipality and then with the health insurance fund, you will already receive a National Register number. ( which consists of your date of birth + 5 extra digits.
Best regards,
Andre

I contacted the tax authorities (for non-residents in Belgium) about a month ago.
I received a nice answer from them stating that the declarations would be sent at the end of October.
But it was clearly stated that there is no need to worry about late arrival and of course late arrival in Belgium given the many corona circumstances.
It was also mentioned that they are not very strict on “deadlines” anyway and that they understand that.
I was even sent an attached declaration form that I could use if I had not received anything by post after November 15th. This form must then be printed and completed, scanned and returned by email.
So I wait another two weeks and if I don't receive anything I use that form with the announcement that when it arrives by post I will still fill in the paper version and send it back, this will arrive in Belgium with a great delay but then I have shown good faith.

When we moved to Thailand four years ago, we deregistered from Belgium. I got a model 8 and my Thai wife had to hand in her F card!

The following year, I thought I would fill in my return via Tax-on-web! I filled in everything, married, etc. and I also got a document to be completed jointly on my screen! (my wife still has a National Register number). A signature had to be added at the end. I could do that with my identity card, but my wife couldn't, because she no longer has an official identity card or F card!

There was only 1 solution: the paper declaration. The first year this was sent by email and we were allowed to send it back the same way.

Nowadays I scan the paper declaration, signed by both and I also send the paper declaration. Do not use EMS because then you pay blue. There is a postal rate where you can track your item in Thailand!

This year the paper declarations were sent very late! I sent an email and got a quick reply at: [email protected]

If you have questions about your declaration, send them to this address and you will have the correct information and no guesswork about this or that. Every declaration is unique and will therefore be treated as such.

If you send an e-mail, put your National Register number (national number) at the top so that people can quickly find your file and answer your e-mail.

I have a civil service pension for my family, so taxes are deducted at source!

You have to make sure that you enter the correct codes, otherwise you have to pay instead of withdrawing!!!!

I always fill in the tax on web version, so that I can already calculate the end result. I therefore use the paper version for the actual declaration, because my wife also has to sign (family pension)!

Unfortunately, no 'simplified' declaration will be sent abroad and you will have to complete this declaration yourself.

Always ask for information directly from the 'competent' services, both in Belgium and in Thailand. Then you have the only correct information for your problem!

greetings and enjoy life! KOS Keep On Smiling!

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Also if you are deregistered Bent in Belgium. So both officially in Thai lives at the same address.married. and Thai partner no income, you can use marriage coeff. Myself and my acquaintances do all this like this. My tax return arrives annually at our Thai address.
MVG
Will

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