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Home » Reader question » Rent a house and register without having problems with immigration
Dear readers,
I just arrived in Ayutthaya with non immigrant O visa. I can now rent a house, but the in-laws say that I cannot register at the address of the house that I can rent. Then the owner has to register us and they think that's link because they don't know us. Sister-in-law says we'd better register with her. Then she says I can just live where I want.
My question is can I do this risk free? I don't want to get into trouble with immigration.
Regards,
Rob
If you don't want any problems with immigration, register at the address where you officially live. For the homeowner there is no risk whatsoever in registering with immigration as long as they properly declare the rental income to the tax authorities, but perhaps that is where the problem lies.
Immigration and tax authorities really have nothing to do with each other in Thailand. The form in question, TM 30, comes in at Immigration by truck. Do they have their hands full. In addition: the TM 30 only needs to be filled in once by the owner and the resident fills in TM 90 every 28 days.
Copy of owner's ID recto verso, registration of his property and a copy of the rental contract, you should definitely have for TM 30. First ask the tenant if this is a problem. And register in time at immigration!
You are of course not allowed to give a fake address to the Immigration. Only: I have been living here for 10 years at the same address, but that has never been checked by any authority (including Immigration).
It is an indication, but it is certainly no guarantee that a check will not be done by chance. So it depends on how adventurous you are.
Have lived at the same address for over 30 years. Never saw anyone from the Immigration. When I came and went I or my wife never gave up on this. Never had any trouble. Never filled out 1 or other TM form, don't even know what they look like.
Hi Rob
By registering with Immigration you mean by means of TM30 form?
If so, it would be best to check with Immigration whether a rental contract and passport may be sufficient.
You will still have to provide the correct home address due to possible checks, do not take any unnecessary risks.
I went to Krabi with only my rental contract and passport last June; I didn't even have a TM30 form with me. Everything was neatly arranged and after 10 minutes I was outside again with my TM 30 strip.
In Nakhon Si Thammarat a month later there and against a completely different story, everything according to the book and not yet found to be ok.
So it just depends on your Immigration office how they deal with this.
My advice, first ask that office for information, it may not be too bad, it may be disappointing, and if it is disappointing, they will certainly give you some time to make it right.
regards George
The question is whether there is a lease.
If the owner signs a rental contract, he can also register them.
A rental contract is no less “scary” than signing up.
Furthermore, some immigration offices apparently check whether married people actually live together.
Entering an incorrect address can get you into trouble.
This is just a stay of 3 months, or 4 times 3 months, then you don't officially live in Thailand, you don't have to register yourself, you can stay anywhere without an official registration with the municipality, if they ask you say or simply enter the address where you are staying, this is not a registration but a place to stay.
The person where you are staying/renting must report this within 24 hours.
Almost no foreigner officially lives in Thailand.
It says NON-IMMIGRANT, or TOURIST on the visa you enter.
As a NON-IMMIGRANT you are not an immigrant, and as a TOURIST you are not either.
The extension of stay does not change that.
You can even lose your PERMANENT RESIDENCE if you leave the country.
Only if you are naturalized can you probably say you live in Thailand…but then you can actually live in another country.
You or the landlord must notify immigration within 24 hours. Must tourists in the Netherlands too! If you fail to do so, if you want to request a 30-day extension, for example, you will be fined 2000 baht.
Additionally the following. There is no reason to expect that they will check whether you live at the address indicated. However, there may be reasons why people do this. For example, if you receive a Dutch state pension. The amount depends on whether or not you live together. That is actually checked. There are probably other reasons to check but I can't think of them.
I live here for 7 years.
My experience: Just neatly draw up a rental contract and pass on the actual address to authorities. So also to the immigration service. The homeowner must pass on if he rents out a house and to whom. If he/she does or doesn't is not your problem. There are authorities that do check where you live and with whom. No reason for you to be misleading about that. Your in-laws are dead wrong. Honesty is still the best policy. In my case, the immigration service called the home owner the 1st time whether it was true that he had rented out a house to me. After that never again. Bring a copy of the house booklet and a copy of the home owner's ID card every year.
Never any problem
Also 90 days just state the actual address, you will not get any hassle. Wish you a good time in this beautiful country.
Sake.
I am just registered in Thailand with my in-law as a subtenant. No problem. No one has ever checked.
I would still advise you to register at the correct address. Immigration has nothing to do with state pension (yes, that should be able to add one in a response), that is the Dutch control services and not the Thai immigration service that are responsible for it.
No reason to check? Here, in my area, you can be sure that you will get scrutiny from the immigration police as soon as you apply for a year extension based on marriage to a Thai. That has been the case for years that you get a stamp 'in consideration' so that they can check whether you are indeed married and living together. Difficult to explain if your address is wrong. There is a good chance that the annual extension will be refused on the basis of marriage.
When applying for a driver's license, you must also state your place of residence (permanent address). When opening a bank account too… and so on, reasons enough to provide the correct address…. and not just any fictional one. That is ultimately asking for trouble. All goes well until things go wrong. But yes, then it can be complained that Thailand makes it difficult for people who want to stay here longer. You are also legally obliged to live at the official address in the Netherlands and Belgium. Why should it be any different in Thailand?
I am registered with my parents-in-law and I also have my yellow house book and that is the easiest for me, after all, you are family.
And I live elsewhere but in the same place.
Look how many Thai people live in Bkk 13 million or so and half of them have not registered there, they are just registered in his / her place of birth.
I have lived here for 12 yrs now and have never had any immigration check.
So just register with someone from the family I would say and just stick to the rules.
But I say not every Immigration is the same maybe they check there every time.
Each immigration has its own laws.
success
Pekasu
Dear Pekasu,
You are contradicting yourself in your response.
'Just register with the family and just follow the rules'….. Here you are already breaking the rules because the rule is that you have to indicate a correct address.
You give advice based on being a bit lucky because you say yourself: not every immigration is the same…. what if the questioner then finds an immigration that does check? Should he then state that YOU gave him that advice?
“Each immigration has its own laws”… No, the laws are the same everywhere, only the application can be different.
And 'NEVER NO' in Dutch means ALWAYS !!!!
Give people correct information.
You are absolutely right. I'm wrong