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Home » Reader question » The Myanmarese are coming!
The Myanmarese are coming!
Dear readers,
On various Thai forums yesterday I saw long queues of people from Myanmar waiting for border crossings in Northern Thailand. All came to the border because the border will open on November 1, they told the reporters present. On a video I saw hundreds of people waiting. Thai policemen took care of food for those waiting.
All fine, but I always assumed that there is no possibility for entry by land and sea (yet). I also wonder whether all those waiting meet the conditions that are written about in this blog. $50.000 insurance, Thailand Pass, PCR test, you name it.
It seems to me that Myanmar does not have its affairs in such a way as Thailand is asked of incoming tourists. Are the facilities available at the border to handle this? Ergo is this safe or is covid creeping in? And why is apparently the hand lifted here with the conditions. Are there higher powers (read commercial ones) at work here? Or did I miss something?
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Klaas.
In answer to your question:
I also wonder whether all those waiting meet the conditions that are written about in this blog. Insurance ad $50.000, Thailand Pass, PCR test,
You don't have to wonder about this.
The answer will be obvious to everyone.
The influx of people from Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia and Malaysia is difficult to maintain given Thailand's location.
It will therefore not be the tourists that one should worry about.
This measure seems mainly intended to designate Thailand as a safe country for tourists, where only non-infected people arrive.
Klaas, Myanmar has absolutely nothing in order!
The country is sliding into a 'failed state' and you have also read that the big boss of the coup, General Hlaing, is no longer welcome at ASEAN meetings because of the serious violation of human rights in that country. ASEAN observers are also no longer allowed there.
I can well imagine that the citizens are fleeing en masse! What would you do if your village is flattened, your house is done up and your wife and daughter are raped?
For these people, Covid is an afterthought and help is desperately needed!
And that's how it is Erik, that's why I'm afraid that partly because of this a large stream of refugees will rise from Myanmar towards Thailand that can no longer be stopped.
And as you know, the border between the two countries is many kilometers long and can never be properly controlled.
They really don't all pass neatly at a guarded border post, there are many hazepads in the jungle.
So I see it darkly.
Jan Beute.
Well, Jan, gloomy is not necessary when it comes to real refugees. Real refugees need help, at least that's my opinion.
Myanmar is a big country, bigger than Thailand. The country has borders with Thailand, Laos, China, India and Bangladesh. A wall is being built to China, so people cannot go there. Bangladesh is already overcrowded with Rohingya, so Thailand, Laos and India remain. The border with India is 'exciting' because there are combat groups there.
I understand that people are looking for safety in Laos and Thailand. The series 'You Me We Us' that I post here is partly devoted to that.
You see it gloomy. Because of corona? Then I can advise you the syringes and keep you in mind. C19 will become part of our lives and get used to it, Jan!
Klaas,
The assumption that countries such as Burma, Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos would have their affairs in order with regard to the entry conditions: insurance of $ 50.000, Thailand Pass, PCR test, which you name, is of course an illusion.
The border crossings are as leaky as a colander with the bottom out.
The rule: $ 50.000, Thailand Pass, PCR test is mainly intended for the wealthy Western tourist and is a drop in the ocean.
It seems an attempt to give the impression how safe Thailand is.
Many Burmese and Cambodians also work as clerks in the tourism industry.
I am even curious whether the Chinese should also meet the conditions, given their economic power and far-reaching military impact throughout Asia.
The Burmese gardener of our mubaan and the Burmese boys who sell at the market now go back to visit family or to arrange something. Come back after a few weeks.
They all know nothing about entry conditions that are stated on this block and are certainly not interested in that. They know exactly what you have to tick to be allowed to enter again (apart from a work permit).
An insurance of 50000 dollars, a PCR test, and a Thailand Pass will certainly not be asked.
The uniformed Thai neighbor who has to deal with this because of his work just has to laugh about it and says “If they run out of money, it will be taken off immediately”
I think it has something to do with Thailand begging for labor from Myanmar and Laos. Recently read somewhere…
Well done Willy, because Thailand cannot do without the Burmese workforce.
Otherwise no hospitals, shopping malls, highways and so on could be made with multiple construction work.
And then I'm not even talking about cleaning work in hospitals, shopping centers and so on. The Thais and especially the younger generation of mobile phone enthusiasts do not like to do hard work and dirty work, often in the blazing sun.
You only see the Thai young people in jobs such as at stores such as Tesco Lotus Global House at banks and racing around on mopeds with Grab and Food Panda.
There where the air conditioning is running and you don't get tired.
Jan Beute.
Yes Klaas, not everyone can afford a ticket to a country far away, not everyone can afford insurance, which sometimes costs more than a month's wages in premium for most people. And yes, they are standing neatly at a border crossing, which undoubtedly means that they have or expect permission to officially cross the border, so that work can be done for perhaps ten thousand baht a month, which can be used to buy food and drink for themselves and family back home. The Thai government has already indicated and also implemented that the millions of workers from the surrounding countries will also receive free corona vaccines. And yes, there is also plenty of vaccination in Myanmar and a large part will be protected in due course. What do you worry about as a Dutchman, because you are after all self-protected by your own vaccination; you may also need it because in the Netherlands about 2 million adults and a few million children are and remain unvaccinated, the same for Thailand you can assume that there are still about 35 million unvaccinated, half of the population. Then you are not afraid of a few hundred or a few thousand workers who cross the border, perhaps these are returnees who have been home for a few weeks and have long since been vaccinated. But I sense in your story that you don't get along with the neighbours, well I'd rather see a thousand guest workers at work than a dozen vacationers who criticize those who cannot afford a luxurious holiday far away but are forced to travel every day work, much needed necessity or that is to say.
It has been known for a long time that the demands placed on (guest) workers in Thailand differ from various surrounding countries. They come here to work and sometimes to save their lives and there is a great demand for them as others have mentioned. That importance is obvious and as a person you can have no problems with that. I fully understand that. Our Burmese housekeeper has been vaccinated free of charge for covid-19 and recently received a new residence document valid for 2 years, whereby she no longer has to report every 90 days. A few years ago she was still pregnant and gave birth to a child who was cared for free by authorities in Thailand. Nevertheless, some things are going well in Thailand and it is not all doom and gloom.
The story seems strange to me that a Burmese no longer has to comply with the 90-day notification, and can also obtain a two-year residence document.
That's why I ask you, come with more information about this story, I'm curious.
Because my findings on this are not the same.
The Burmese must still have a Thai or company as a sponsor, and that sponsor can go with the passport of the Burmese to the local Immi in person for the 90 day report just like me on retirement, I could outsource this to, for example, a family member etc.
But maybe I missed something.
Jan Beute.
Dear Janneman,
he's absolutely right. People from Myanmar have to do the same as other foreigners. I am a stone's throw from the border with Myanmar and many people from Myanmar work in the oil palm plantations here. When I get to Immigration I see stacks of passports from Myanmar at the desk for 90d notification, at the desk for year extensions and work permits. It is usually arranged for them by a representative of their employer. But I also knew a farang who managed to tell me that since he had a Rose ID, he no longer had to do anything: no 90d report, no year extension. He was just like a Thai now…until he got to the airport, then he freaked like a monkey….
Dear Jan and Lung Addie, My Thai wife and I went with our Burmese housekeeper ourselves to an office in Chonburi that arranges this document. I paid 4000 baht for her so the information I have written is first hand. It's hot off the press and I have no interest in spreading fake news.
Dear Jacques,
we are not claiming that you are spreading fake news. Anyone who knows Thailand a little knows that it is 'same same but different' everywhere. It is not because it is so with you that it is a general rule. You write yourself: you use an 'office' that 'arranges' this document and have paid 4000THB. Everyone knows that these offices have separate rules and agreements with the immigration authorities. If they didn't, they would have little reason to exist.