Dear forum readers,
I would like to know your reaction, what you would do in my place, or how you would react.
I live outside in Isaan and own 5 stray dogs and three German Shepherds. About two hundred meters from my house lives my closest neighbor, who has about 8 cows and passes every morning who pass my house accompanied by Mrs. the farmer's wife and her three stray dogs.
So what happens, yes you can guess my dogs fly to the fence and bark all together. Mrs. Farmer's wife doesn't care about all this, sometimes I manage to walk with one of my shepherds on a leash and then I run into her.
Of course those dogs of hers make noise and so do my dogs, but there is a separation between the two of us, so one cannot touch the other.
Now I have already asked that farmer's wife several times, trying to make her understand about walking a little further with those cows and her dogs. But no, she always stays on the corner and of course my dogs keep making noise and hers too.
Today I got very angry, and told her again to walk her animals.
I am not allowed to refuse her passage, but if you reason normally for a moment, then you will go a little further with your animals, or am I seeing that wrong?
What would you do in my place?
With kind regards,
Georgio
What are you worried about? The dogs make a lot of noise. So what? People do that so often. There is a separation between the barking dogs. I wouldn't worry about it. There are worse things in the world.
I think one question is important for your problem, who lived there before, that woman with her cows and dogs or you with your dogs?
It seems to me that getting angry accomplishes very little and you say; I quote "but if you reason normally for a while then you go a bit further with your animals or am I seeing that wrong?" end of quote, maybe that lady reasons the same and you, with your dogs, are the problem.
Only someone who knows the situation there can give unbiased advice, so based on your story there is far too little information to judge who "should reason normally"
With greeting,
Lex k.
Dear Miss. The fault lies entirely with you. Why?
You have 5 dogs that you have never taught not to bark from the start. A dog cannot talk, that is why it barks. As a trainer, I can quickly teach 1 dog to stop barking, but if you have 5 it is just like a orchestra one stops and the other continues barking.
Another solution would be to keep your 5 dogs inside until this lady has passed with her cows and then they will not see those animals and I assume that your dogs are quiet. I do not need to know the situation on site to judge. Whatever you do you can do, you put your dogs down because they are the ones who are responsible for that cow woman being tied to a rope so that your barking dogs can't jump against your fence. Then you get a water hose ready and while you're shouting 'Foey', you give it a good spray. your dogs. That can sometimes help. If it helps and you apply it consistently, you will enjoy your yappers more.
You can always ask me for advice.
Dear Georgia,
I think it's your problem and not your neighbor's, this is Thailand and getting angry means losing face here anyway, you should know that.
Instead of getting mad at this lady, you could ask her why she remains so calm and unconcerned about your dogs and their barking, and is her answer the solution to your problem?
Because I assume that this lady was there before you, and that she may have stopped at this corner all her life, then her animals are used to this and you won't unlearn that so quickly.
And maybe it's an idea to let the dogs get to know each other because that's what they actually want, they are pack animals, and if they know each other better, the barking could decrease. and if you stop barking at the lady, the problem is solved.
greeting
Farang Tingtong, what an idea. You want to introduce 5 of Mrs.'s dogs to the dogs of that Mrs. who has been passing by there every day with her cows for years? That is the same as someone calling for help when he is in the water. If only I had learned to swim instead of calling for help, to shout.
Here is only one solution to bring the perpetrator of the 5 dogs to order.
If you let the lady's 5 dogs loose on the passing dogs, you can laugh. They protect the cattle. Because her dogs cause problems for her as the owner. The Thai livestock guardian will be very concerned that 5 barking and poorly behaved dogs jump against the fence.
I have the feeling that this is really another case of a Dutch lady who only thinks about her own interests. In the Netherlands you can get a heavy fine if your dog barks too much
It doesn't matter who lived there first etc.
You are responsible for your dogs and above all do not blame the passing herdsman.
Jan luck
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So then move to Thailand and then complain and ask for advice on how to solve it. Don't forget that you live in Thailand and have to adapt to Thai habits, then you can go a long way.
Maybe I missed a side street Mr. Luck, but I think Georgio is a man and not a lady and it concerns not 5 but 8 dogs, so just to be clear, sir has 5 x street and 3 x German shepherd, and the farmer's wife has 8 x cow and 3 x dog, and I don't really understand the comparison with swimming either.
But okay it doesn't matter I thought it would be a good idea to introduce the dogs to each other, I also often see the dog whisperer on TV, there a dog that doesn't listen is also introduced to a pack of dogs and yes hoppa in one day they stand on a skateboard and tear through the neighborhood.
greeting tingtong
Dear Questioner: You are talking about keeping 5 mutts and 3 German Shepherds. Everyone has their hobby of course, but we are talking about a pack here. Assuming you are the pack boss yourself, it would be advisable to teach your dogs not to jump the fence when the neighbor comes down the street with her cows. You're the boss right?
It also seems to me that the neighbor keeps her cows for her livelihood. She doesn't go out with those cows for fun. Which is in your case with your 8 dogs. The route through the street is often routine for those cows, and you won't just move them, because a farang can't control his dogs. From the same routine, those cows instinctively have fixed places here and there to graze and rest. The neighbor's 3 dogs follow and have probably been used to it for years. I think that if you see that and you arrive for a walk with one of the dogs, you should take that into account and move your walk to a bit further yourself. Certainly in the Isan it is the case that peasant people travel along the roadsides with their cattle. I think that's something to take into account.
From the way you formulate your question, I assume that you have not persuaded your neighbor to change her route. You have tried to get her to understand your idea and you say that she does not want to comply with your wishes. Then you respond with anger. Unsympathetic! Neighbor is not going to know of any neighborhoods, especially now. You've already gone way too far.
From the start, the neighbor made it clear to you that your dogs jumping and barking are your problem, if that's how you take it. She just walked down the street every day as usual with her cows, and didn't budge at the noise and fuss your dogs caused. Why would she? You keep those keep, not them. She's just doing what she's been doing for ages.
As a solution, you want the neighbor to come up with a behavioral change, but that will not work. You will have to come up with your own behavioral alternative, starting with a change in your attitude towards the neighbor. By getting angry, you've more or less signaled that she's to blame for a problem you're experiencing with your dogs, and that she needs to provide a solution. She will never allow that, because you have entered her territory with your dogs.
Place “dog electric fence” against your fence. They jump against it one more time and then they will have deep respect for the fence!
For €20 you can do it!
People don't do that, it's very dangerous because if a small 3-year-old child touches that fence with his wet hands, the disaster is incalculable, who wants to have that on their conscience? The best solution is to close down 8 of those 7 dogs and 1 Just train your dog to limit its barking only to potential burglars. I would be happy to advise you and completely free of charge.
Because if a dog walks into an electric fence, the next time he will stand a meter in front of that wire and bark because they are smart enough. Sometimes teaching dogs means educating people.
Georgio seems like a male name to me….and yes, Georgio will have to change most of it himself. But ask nicely – nicely – not to dwell too close perhaps – it might be worth trying again?
Be glad you don't live in Vlaardingen or Rotterdam. There is a ban on nuisance barking by dogs. You can get a fine of 70 euros per time in Vlaardingen. The municipality can also impose an obligation on you to take your dogs to a reform institution, for example the one led by Martin Gaus, at your own expense.
In other words, count your blessings too.
how about cats instead of dogs. I have 4 cats.
No problem at all and much more fun than dogs :-))
Moderator: Please stay on topic.
When you choose to live in Thailand as a foreigner, adapt to the people and their culture. The Thai don't take it too seriously with noise pollution or other rules.
I have completely integrated myself here, I was also the first to build a house in this area, the farmer's wife has only lived here for two years, I think many of your forum readers do not understand that when dogs are behind bars they have a sense of captivity and that the stray dogs irritate them, if they still pee against the gate, the fence is completely off the dam, if Mrs. Farmer's wife reasons a bit logically, she will go further than that corner, I have had personal contact with her about this on several occasions event
Dear Georgio, you keep looking for the cause of your dog problem, and the solution, with the neighbor. All comments tell you to do the opposite, and you asked for comments, right? Now go and reason logically yourself, and let your Thai neighbor just do what she is used to doing. You are fully integrated, you say, so act accordingly. Your attitude is definitely not Thai, and if you don't want to bow, you will b…….. Because that's what Thailand is!
@ dear Georgio, you write, I have 5 ( Thai ? ) mutts, and 3 ( pedigree ) dogs, really wonder what the point of your question is, you have had the time to acquire all these dogs but not the time taken to learn where you live and what to take into account, first of all Thailand,.. the word says it all,..the land of the Thai. and further !!! getting dogs is one…… but keeping dogs is another story, had 2 dogs myself in Thailand, from a neighborhood stray pack, a Ridsback and a regular one, but after a few months they were MY dogs. They didn't bark and followed me on the bone, like dogs, I was the boss (leader) which was not always appreciated by the Thai, because in some behaviors they clearly let us know with growls that they were still there.
What I am trying to make clear here is !!! always approach the Thai with respect and humor and you should know that Khun mrs. may ask how you as tingtong Falang could solve the problem 🙂
Dear Georgia,
What I especially like about the story is the imperturbability of the neighbor. This now strikes me as a typical lesson in spiritual development. Use this situation as a mirror to deepen and enrich yourself internally. Lessons that Thailand also offers.
When you practice the same imperturbability as your neighbor, all annoyances disappear. Moreover, this most likely backfires on the dogs. Animals often react unconsciously to the inner state of the boss.
Good luck with this beautiful life lesson!
Moderator: please don't chat.
I have two dogs myself and they sometimes bark at people and animals that pass by. Don't worry about that. It is the demarcation and protection of their territory. Especially when you have several dogs, you keep this kind of pack behavior. Neighbors don't mind either, after all there are more barking dogs in Thailand. Usually doesn't take hours either, so what will you worry about. Fortunately, dogs in Thailand, in contrast to the Netherlands, are still allowed to be dogs.
I also regularly let the dogs out and because of that they also become familiar with the neighborhood dogs. Sometimes that helps, but there are still dogs that can't stand each other for one reason or another. Just like people, dogs also have preferences!
You don't just learn to bark, especially with several dogs. Barking has many causes. It can be protective/territorial behavior, but also arises from fear, boredom, a cry for attention or just showing joy. It is natural/innate behavior that is sometimes difficult to suppress.
In this case, it seems like protective/territorial behavior to me. This can sometimes be unlearned by making sure that you are present at those times and provide a distraction to calm the dogs down. Try to get attention by playing with them – throw a ball or other toy at them, for example – and reward them with a treat for good behavior. Above all, show that they need not be afraid of external matters. You usually have to have a long breath and keep reacting consistently, because you don't learn this in a day.
Let a dog continue to be a dog, especially when it comes to incidents. Fortunately, that is still possible in Thailand!
Good luck!!
The question was not what to do with dogs or how to deal with them, the question was what to do with the neighbor? With which Georgio conveniently forgot himself.
moderator: please don't chat.
I think it's crazy for words that you want to put the blame in the hands of your neighbor.
YOU are the one who is irritated by the behavior of YOUR dogs. The woman is not doing anything wrong, is she?
She walks on a public road with her cows and dogs. And she should adjust because YOUR dogs are barking and jumping up against your fence? Is it her fault you didn't train your dogs?
earplugs and you're done
Hi Georgia ,
First of all I want to advise you to leave it to your Wife / Girlfriend ,
since you went to live in Isaan I think you do have a wife.
They speak the language and would understand each other better , to come to a conclusion .
Kind regards……Roland.
Both have talked about this several times, but the farmer's wife refuses to give a solution to it
You are making a very big problem out of it and the solution is also somewhat straightforward: the farmer's wife has to adapt.
In our village people also walk with cows. They have been doing this for years and before their time their father or mother probably did the same. It shows little empathy and understanding to leave the solution of your problem to the farmer's wife alone. All the more so because the behavior of your own dogs only bothers you, since your first neighbor lives 200 meters away. So they will not be bothered by your barking dogs.
You have (no less than) 8 dogs and they show pack behavior. Apparently you don't have the dogs under control, otherwise you could intervene. Instead of hanging in your chair and getting annoyed by the behavior of your own dogs, you could also try to distract your dogs during those times. That could eventually change the behavior of your dogs. But yes, of course that requires effort!
When you can't get and keep 8 dogs under control, it might be wise to say goodbye to your animals. In any case, it is not appropriate to burden others with your problem.
It's easy for you to say goodbye to my animals hahaha, and I don't stay in my chair, I try to rein in my dogs every time the farmer's wife passes by, but I don't think you know anything about animals. If a dog stays in a certain area behind bars, and a few other dogs parade past freely, as well as those cows, then my dogs sense that they are actually in captivity, and they get annoyed that those animals are walking around freely outside.
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Georgio, I have dogs of my own who, when not being walked, stay in our yard. They also sometimes bark when something comes near our fence. Cause: Read my previous comments. However, I know my dog pappenheimers. When it gets really annoying, I leash the leader - a Labrador female - and take her to the house. In general, the other will stop barking and follow over time.
It is nonsense that dogs feel “trapped” because other dogs run freely outside the fence. Dogs also don't bark at anything that passes your fence. They can feel threatened by some animals, people, things and then start barking. Dogs can bark out of frustration because they stay in too small a space with too many (8 dogs). I don't know if you ever let your dogs out, but if they can run wild every day, that can also help with these kinds of frustrations.
I also think that you should not take out your frustrations on that farmer's wife. It's your dogs that bark, which you obviously can't control. The farmer's wife, who does not set foot on your property, has nothing to do with that.