Dear readers,

My tax exemption on my Dutch pension will soon expire. That exemption was granted to me for 5 years. I have to submit a new application for this, via a form that was sent to me by the tax authorities at the time, 5 years ago.

I have not been to the Netherlands in recent years. With the statement they ask to send proof that I pay taxes in Thailand. I searched Thailandblog for an answer, but couldn't find it. In the past I have tried to report to the Thai tax authorities, but they have not been able or willing to help me. What to do now? Maybe someone can explain that to me.

I have a yellow book, and I still live at the same address as 5 years ago.

Regards,

Henk

14 responses to “Reader question: My tax exemption on Dutch pension will soon expire”

  1. eric kuijpers says up

    Henk, does it really say that you pay tax in Thailand? I saw that form a few weeks ago and it's not there; I think it says that you have to submit proof that you are registered with the tax authorities in Thailand.

    This blog says a lot about the exemption and the advice is, if Thailand does not want to register you, tell Heerlen and simply ask for your new exemption. Include supporting documents such as the stamps of retirement extensions or extensions due to marriage or otherwise, that you live here permanently, that Thailand is the country of your main residence, that you spend your money here, you may have bills to show, in short, read the tax file of post-actives, check again 6 to 9.

    This matter is in motion, Heerlen is not compliant, unfortunately, and I still have no answers to my questions.

    What you can also do is visit the Thai service again and try registration; people may have changed their minds after those 5 years.

  2. Jer says up

    Where does the writer live? Maybe someone can be helpful with registering with the local tax authorities by going there together or asking for help from Thai people on the spot.

  3. Renevan says up

    The following can be found on the website of the revenue office, on the basis of which you can obtain a tin (tax identification number). It must have been due to the ignorance of the employee that you did not obtain this. If you look in Thai tax law, you can therefore read that not filing a tax return is punishable.

    1.Taxable Person
    Taxpayers are classified into “resident” and “non-resident”. “Resident” means any person residing in Thailand for a period or periods aggregating more than 180 days in any tax (calendar) year. A resident of Thailand is liable to pay tax on income from sources in Thailand as well as on the portion of income from foreign sources that is brought into Thailand. A non-resident is, however, subject to tax only on income from sources in Thailand.

    I recently applied for and received an exemption for 5 years. Received a form in English at the revenue office that I have a tax number.
    Sent this form with the application and obtained an exemption without any problem. The fact that this should not be necessary for the Dutch tax authorities is not relevant to me. I adhere to the tax treaty and pay tax on the part allocated to Thailand.

  4. Joop says up

    Dear Henk, according to the tax treaty you must indicate that you

    1. are a resident of Thailand and
    2. are subject to tax there.

    You do not have to demonstrate more according to the treaty.

    ad. 1. Demonstrate that you are in Thailand more than 180 days a year
    ad. 2. If you are in Thailand for more than 180 days, you are subject to tax in Thailand according to Thai tax law. (Google for the English version of this)

    In both cases, it is therefore sufficient to demonstrate that you are in Thailand for more than 180 days a year.

    For example, you can send copies of your passport.

    Joop

  5. Peter says up

    If you really want to pay Thai tax, you must first seek help from a Thai tax advisor. The first time it is quite complex and a number of one-off things have to be done (eg requesting a tax number). You can do it yourself the second year. An advisor costs something between 15.000 and 25.000 but it is worth it, there are many things to deduct so tax is quite low if your pension (excluding AOW) is below a million. AOW and civil servant pensions must always be taxed in the Netherlands.

    • ruud says up

      I just went to headquarters.
      Had a pleasant conversation with a cup of coffee and a cup of tea with the tax officer and did not have to pay anything.

      That coffee and tea won't be standard, but registration is free and if you make an overview of your income yourself, you won't need that advisor - if you're lucky.
      You have to have a lot of income before you get to 15.000 to 25.000 Baht in tax.

    • Renevan says up

      The tax form is simplicity itself, at the tax office they help you fill it out. State what your (income) pension is and see what deductions you qualify for and that's it. No idea why you need an advisor for that.

  6. Willem says up

    Just finished it Henk and had an exemption of 5 years.
    Don't know your home address, but you can ask me questions at my email address.

    g William

    • Henk says up

      What is your email address Willem, would like to know how you did it.

      • Willem says up

        [email protected]

  7. Other says up

    To everyone, I applied for an exemption this month, now my question is, will I receive a message by post or e-mail that I will be granted an exemption or not?
    On my first indication application from bpfbouw, she still deducted the payroll tax, and now that I have received the official application, this is less than with my previous application??
    Here it says payroll tax without payroll tax credit, maybe someone can explain to me what this means.
    Thank you in advance for the further information and I will certainly continue until I succeed,

    Fr gr Andre.

    • Renevan says up

      I received the message that the exemption had been granted by post, and also fairly quickly. This also states that the pension provider (withholding agent) will receive a copy. So you don't have to do anything yourself.

  8. willem says up

    If, as I have done in the past, you go to the Thai tax office, and you can prove that you pay tax in Thailand (e.g. 15% of interest received, which is automatically deducted from your savings) you become a tax resident in Thailand registered and you will receive an assessment notice annually in February/March. If, like me, you are older than 65 or 70 (I don't know exactly) you will get the 15% deducted tax on your savings back (processing time approx. 3 months).
    Last week I received my 15% deducted tax back via a kind of acceptance giro card that you then have to present to your bank.
    For Dutch law you are therefore liable to tax in Thailand.

  9. kees says up

    At the time I went with a Thai person who speaks good English to the tax office in Jomtien. Received a TIN number (FREE) within half an hour.

    Later alone to the same Thai tax office in Jomtien with my passport and my
    in Thailand taxable income from the Netherlands (occupational pension), and TIN and the form
    was completed by someone on the fourth floor (FREE).
    Monthly income up to 1000 euros is tax-free for someone over 65 years of age due to
    various discount amounts.
    good luck everyone.


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