Dear readers,

Introduction: I live and work in the Netherlands. According to my wife, I married a Thai in Thailand, I can get a yellow book on my next visit. That way I could also open a Thai bank account.

When I now ask my clients to transfer the invoiced amount to this Thai bank account? Does that cause problems?

Explanation: In addition to my job, I have a company with Chamber of Commerce number and VAT number. In the Netherlands I pay about 50% tax on the invoiced amount. Do I avoid this tax if I have the money deposited into a Thai account? Or is there a certain tax treaty between the Netherlands and Thailand? As I pose the question, the term tax evasion comes to mind.

In the future, I would like to live in Thailand with my wife. That would mean that I would also like to receive my online income in Thailand.

I'd like to hear what the forum's view is on this.

Regards,

Jacquess

14 responses to “Reader question: Entrepreneur's tax question (if I move to Thailand)”

  1. Hendrik says up

    50% tax in the Netherlands? I have been here for over 10 years now and closed all my Dutch activities about 8 years ago. Was very easy. The guesthouse is wonderful here now. Married to Thay and we have a hybrid daughter of 6. I am having a good time and enjoying my well-deserved pension.

  2. rene23 says up

    You can always open a bank account in TH.
    Walk into (Bangkok Bank), open an account, deposit some money into it and leave the bank within 10 minutes with a Visa debit card with which you can withdraw free of charge at any ATM in Thailand.
    And internet banking!

  3. wibar says up

    Hi,
    Well, I don't think the answer is that hard. You live and work in the Netherlands. So you are also liable for tax in the Netherlands. In your story, replace that foreign Thai account with an account in Switzerland, then you would also have to pay tax on this first. You invoice it to your customers, but ask them to transfer it to a non-national bank account. In their administration (which is also checked by the tax authorities) your income is also stated (after all, their costs are your income).
    Best regards.
    Wim

  4. Jacques says up

    I think you are smarter than you pretend. Tax evasion is never advisable. However, an extensive discussion with, among others, the Chamber of Commerce in the Netherlands could provide a definite answer to your questions.
    Incidentally, I have a yellow house book while I am not married to a Thai. I understand that it is viewed differently depending on the region in Thailand where you are registered.
    You can also open a Thai bank account without being married or in possession of a yellow house book. Your registration at immigration is decisive for this. But this too could easily be interpreted differently in another sting of Thailand. I am in Chonburi province .
    You don't just get a job in Thailand. There are strict visa rules for this. You can request this at your own immigration office in Thailand.

  5. erik says up

    The treaty, and read articles 5 and 7 for the main rule.

    http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBV0003872/1976-06-09

    1. You live in NL and have your company there. Profit is taxed in NL. To which account you have it transferred is in principle unimportant; your client wants to book those costs, so that account goes into your administration as revenue.

    2. You (also) live in TH. Then the permanent establishment comes into the picture and it is important to consult your tax advisor well before emigration. The residence discussion can then flare up between you and two tax authorities.

    Also keep in mind that there are professions in Thailand that are strictly reserved for Thai nationals. If your professional activities fall under this, it is better to stay away from it.

  6. January says up

    you can still just deposit your money into the Dutch account, and transfer it yourself, no problem, what is the reason for this construction, the tax will think a bit strange, you just pay tax in this country, then everything is fine.

    I also do not understand according to my wife I am married to a Thai, do you not know that? /

  7. Gerrit says up

    well,

    You do not need a yellow book to open a bank account, you can also simply use an annual visa.
    You can get this at the Embassy in The Hague.
    You get a yellow booklet after a lot of hassle (but depends on the district) at the Ampoer (municipality house)
    but only if you also have a permanent residence of course. They will never accept a hotel address.
    So the home address of your wife's parents, but you have to do something for it, it won't happen within 3 days, legalized signature from the Dutch Embassy, ​​Something from the immigration service (don't remember exactly what) and a translation of a document and with at least two witnesses to the boss of the boss, etc. They ask you all the way.

    Get a Thai driver's license right away, that will help you more.

    I don't know what kind of work you do, but if it can be done through websites, such as web designer, so not manual labor in the Netherlands, move quickly.

    Greetings Nico

  8. Keith 2 says up

    If you google you will find the tax treaty.

    I'll tell you what applies in your case:

    As long as you are registered in NL, you have to pay tax in NL. If your customers transfer this directly to Thailand, you are evading the tax in NL and that is guaranteed (you can bet that one of your customers will pass this on to the tax authorities in no time).

    Assuming that you are going to deregister from the Netherlands in due course, things will be different afterwards.
    Then the tax treaty applies. It states “that if you have no permanent establishment in NL or no one who performs work for you in NL, then your income will be taxed in Thailand”. You don't even have to have your customers transfer the money to a Thai account (costs 20-25 euros each time), just have it paid into your Dutch account and a few times you transfer a large amount from that account to Thailand.

    Ask the tax inspector for permission for this, and you will get it, no problem. You then have it in black and white and your situation can never be interpreted differently by another inspector in the future

    • Keith 2 says up

      In addition:
      You must provide the correct information to the tax inspector, because he will conclude the letter with the fact that he will grant you an exemption based on the information you have provided. If it later turns out to be incorrect… then you are screwed.

    • Keith 2 says up

      With another addition: if you keep your own home in NL, it will fall into box 3, Dutch tax after emigration

      • Keith 2 says up

        I realize one more aspect:
        Erik and I have assumed that your company will remain Dutch, so registered with the Chamber of Commerce, you must collect VAT from your customers and pay it to the Dutch tax authorities. You will receive a reminder every year to file a VAT return and your VAT assessment will arrive at your address in Thailand.

        But, it could also be that you are considering running your business as a Thai company, while your customers are in the Netherlands. That is not convenient, because then you have to set up a company in Thailand, invest a considerable amount, arrange work permits and hire people.

  9. ruud says up

    You are likely to evade the tax, as long as it goes well.
    But your company is located in the Netherlands, which means that you will have to prepare annual accounts.
    You are supposed to declare all income on it and pay tax on it.

    If you declare everything neatly, it will not benefit you.
    If you don't, you run the risk of getting into trouble for tax fraud.

    If you have your company's payments transferred to Thailand, you will also have to deal with the Thai tax authorities.
    If you have not declared that money in the Netherlands, the Thai tax authorities probably want to see money.
    If the ficus in the Netherlands also wants to see money (including a fine) later, you may have cut yourself in the fingers.

  10. Lammert de Haan says up

    Dear Jacques,

    There is indeed a tax treaty between the Netherlands and Thailand. You can download this Treaty with the following link: http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBV0003872/1976-06-09

    I suspect that you may be working as a self-employed person in the Netherlands. In addition, I read, the Tax and Customs Administration has in any case designated turnover tax as a tax resource. Whether this also applies to income tax is difficult to assess since you also have a job. So the question is whether you qualify for the entrepreneur's allowance. However, if this is the case, be glad that this income is taxed in the Netherlands (as it turns out) as this represents a considerable tax saving. Many self-employed persons can keep their heads above water solely as a result of enjoying the entrepreneur's allowance.

    Since you live and work in the Netherlands, you are a resident taxpayer and therefore do not fall under the scope of the Treaty concluded with Thailand. As an independent entrepreneur or provider of other activities, you must keep records. The resulting result is taxed in the Netherlands as entrepreneurial profit or as income from other work. It makes no difference whether you let your customers pay via a Dutch or a Thai bank account. After all, this has no influence on the result achieved.

    This will only change when you settle in Thailand and continue your entrepreneurial activities from there or have a permanent establishment there, while that is no longer the case in the Netherlands. Regardless of where your clients live, you fall under the PIT in Thailand if you meet the 'day requirement'.

    After your emigration, you will be regarded as a non-resident taxpayer in the Netherlands and you will fall under the treaty protection of the treaty concluded with Thailand.
    In that case, articles 7 and 15 of this Agreement apply to you.

    “Article 7. Profit from business
    1. The profits of an enterprise of one of the States shall be taxable only in that State, unless the enterprise carries on business in the other State through a permanent establishment situated therein. If the enterprise so carries on a business, the profits of the enterprise may be taxed in the other State, but only so much as is attributable to that permanent establishment.”

    “Article 15. Personal Labor
    1. Subject to the provisions of Articles 16, 18, 19, 20 and 21, remuneration derived by a resident of one of the States in respect of personal employment (including the exercise of professional services) shall be taxable only in that State , unless the work is performed in the other State. If the work is performed there, any remuneration derived therefrom may be taxed in that other State.
    2. Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph XNUMX, remuneration derived by a resident of one of the States in respect of work performed in the other State shall be taxable only in the first-mentioned State if:
    (a) the recipient is present in the other State for a period or periods not exceeding in the aggregate 183 days in the tax year concerned, and
    b) the remuneration is paid by or on behalf of a person who is not a resident of the other State, and
    (c) the remuneration is not borne by a permanent establishment which the person paying the remuneration has in the other State.”

    Good luck with your activities as an entrepreneur in the Netherlands and later perhaps in Thailand.

    If you would like further information on purely personal matters, which are not easily dealt with in a public blog or forum, please feel free to contact me at: [email protected] or via the e-mail form on my website: http://www.lammertdehaan.heerenveennet.nl.

    Lammert de Haan, tax specialist (specialized in international tax law and social insurance).

  11. chris says up

    You also need a work permit in Thailand for online weeks.
    If you are a 1-pitter you will almost certainly NOT get it.
    End of story for everything.


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