Dear readers,

Thailand has become very expensive for us. I have been coming to Thailand regularly for about 16 years. Because the Thai baht has become about 30% more expensive and prices have increased considerably, I will now consider going to the Philippines, for example.

Over the past 4 years, Thailand has become at least 30 to 35% more expensive.

With kind regards,

Hans

39 responses to “Reader submission: Thailand has become very expensive for us”

  1. Jan says up

    I have also been coming to Thailand for about 15 years. Been to the Philippines this winter. Well I didn't find it cheaper there. I can confirm that it has become more expensive. Causes? Dollar exchange rate, inflation and the easy way to the tourist's wallet. What are you doing about that? Flying to Thailand has become cheaper. So that makes up for something. As long as I can, I'll keep going.

  2. tonymarony says up

    Dear Hans, I think you are overlooking something, first of all you are right that Thailand has become more expensive, but you forget that the Euro has become less valuable, so that is the problem of about 25 to 30% that you get less for your euro , I hope you understand now because in the Philippines you also have to exchange the euro so you have the same problem , and it is a bit more pleasant to stay here without all those huricanes .

  3. Pedro says up

    Dear Hans

    The Philippines has also saved its prices considerably, after all, hotels are more expensive than Thailand everywhere.

    Also food and entertainment went x 3 there in few years…

    But I still prefer the Philippines to Thailand because communication is perfect in English and their way of thinking is very Western and therefore much more similar to ours.

    Good luck, definitely worth a try but don't expect too big a price difference...

    Pedro

  4. Jörg says up

    Thailand has become more expensive for everyone. As tonymarony points out, this also has to do with the lower value of the euro and you will therefore also notice that disadvantage in other countries outside Europe. In addition, you can indeed fly cheaply to Thailand nowadays, so that also makes up for the eaa. Yes Thailand has become more expensive, but for me that is no reason not to go there anymore.

  5. RonnyLatPhrao says up

    Dear Hans,

    If you feel that it has become too expensive, perhaps you should indeed consider going elsewhere.
    It also seems to me a wise decision to adjust the destination of the leave to the budget, and not the other way around.
    Thank you for letting us know.
    I wish you a lot of fun, wherever you go, but what we as readers are supposed to do with it eludes me for a moment?

  6. support says up

    Hans,

    As already indicated, a (large) part of your problem lies in the Euro. So that also remains the case for Philippines.

    And have you ever considered how much more expensive life in NL has become in recent years? If you don't want to be bothered by the low Euro, then Europe is the only area to go on holiday. For example, go to Greece………….
    Do you run the chance of a really cheap holiday if the banks go bankrupt and there is no more money coming out of the tap!

    In conclusion, your observation shows little sense of reality. Nevertheless: have fun in the Philippines!

  7. Alex says up

    Thailand has not or hardly become more expensive. The problem is the euro, which has lost value by 25-30%. A problem no matter what you take to Philippines, Malaysia, Cambodia etc…
    So if it has become too expensive here, you can still go to Zeeland in the rain… you will not suffer from exchange rate losses due to the low euro!

  8. Peter says up

    Thailand has become very expensive in the tourist areas. Especially at the resorts. Sometimes life is just as expensive or even more expensive than in the Netherlands. In the outlying areas, however, it is still very doable. Look where the Thai eat and go there. Especially in the Isaan or northwest, where it is also very beautiful, it is a great place to be and absolutely not expensive. For a tenner you can still spend the night there in one of the many hostels or guesthouses. Take the “Dutch” rough guide with you. Available at the anwb. Have fun.

    • henry says up

      you really shouldn't go to Isaan or the Northwest. just avoid the tourist Hot Spots. I live in the North West of the Capital. Here life is as cheap as in the outlying provinces,

      • henry says up

        forgot to mention, leave the ANWB guide, Lonely Planet and the like at home. Inquire with the locals or on expat websites

  9. Jack S says up

    I wonder how you can live in the Netherlands if life in Thailand has become too expensive for you. I was in the Netherlands in April / May and was shocked by the prices for a simple meal at a toko. Under 14 Euro there is hardly anything for two people to get. You can still do that here in Thailand. You can still get a simple meal here for two people for about 100 to 150 baht. Of course, if you go out in the evening and need to express your "holiday" feeling, it will again be above 500 baht or more.
    But I can live here “normally” for little money. You can't do that in the Netherlands. Even buying in the supermarket is still a lot more expensive in the Netherlands than in Thailand.
    I have heard that despite the fall of the Euro, Turkey and Brazil have dropped even further with their currencies, so you get more for your Euro there… then I would go on holiday there…

  10. Marcus says up

    They sometimes say, don't put all your eggs in the same basket because if the madje falls, all the eggs will be broken. So spread. Myself EU, GBP, US and Thai Baht. The decline of the euro has been well absorbed by the other currencies. Make sure that you don't pay taxes on any of those holding companies, just be smart

  11. Christina says up

    Hans, Indeed Thailand has become a bit more expensive, but we have been recently and we think it is still reasonably affordable. In Chiang on the Sunday market had a drink super friendly people 10 baht a can of soda where can you still find that. Further on again some fresh 20 baht now we have been coming to Thailand for over 20 years and still find it beneficial. No Thailand is our number 1. The hotel Narai good Italian restaurant not expensive. It's just what you want in the Netherlands we rarely eat in a restaurant.
    But you can make it as expensive as you want.

    • Rob says up

      Christine,

      I agree with you. It is doable. You do have to look. If you stay in the less touristy cities it is a lot cheaper. In Chiang Rai, for example, you have neat guesthouses for 800 thb pd
      If you are in the preseason, there is still quite a bit to arrange. Gr Rob

  12. agree with Jan says up

    I have also been in PH for 2 weeks half a year ago and the average price level - about the same things as in TH - is almost as high there (low), but the crime rate is much higher. However, there is much, much more difference between parts of the country. As has often been said: you save the most by buying Western things as little as possible and eating / doing locally.
    IF you want cheap, Indonesia can offer a solution (outside Bali, that is), but it is much more primitive and much more hassle with long-stay visas. Vietnam ditto.

  13. Cornelis says up

    I have bad news for you, Hans: life in the Philippines has also become more expensive. You pay more on average for accommodation and food than in Thailand. Add to that the lack of infrastructure, the definitely greater insecurity compared to Thailand and the corruption at all levels and then reconsider before you 'move'. A little sense of reality is never lost - life in the Netherlands has also become more expensive.

  14. Ivo says up

    thailand has definitely become a lot more expensive in relative terms than about 15 years ago.
    I will not forget that 2 years ago I had to pay 2-3 euros for a piece of fruit, but that is a good daily wage for someone in the Thai countryside (15 years ago heh)…
    In other words, the baht has seen inflation at that time, just as we have had here with the transition from the guilder to the euro. And the more recent expensive dollar against the euro doesn't really help either.

    Just realize that in the Netherlands you can currently put together a VW Golf for more than 100.000 guilders! A nice smartphone costs 1000-2000 guilders, a pair of nice shoes 300 guilders. And McDonalds probably went bankrupt within a week if we have to pay in guilders again because of an acute psychological wallet indigestion.

    And well, Thailand has that as well, no idea what the wages of a day laborer are now, but that will rightly be a bit higher than 15 years ago to reflect today's prices. Just like our wages now.

    So yes Thailand has become more expensive for us just like the rest of life.

    But is this a reason to avoid Thailand? Uhhhhh no, compared to the rest of Asia, Thailand is cheap with a good infrastructure, pleasant people, good food, etc etc….do you find that somewhere else even better balanced than super.

    I'm curious about Cambodia in Sept/Oct regarding this, we Will see.

  15. tjerk says up

    Been to Pili a few times as well. You do have some more pesos for 100 euros. But the hotels were more expensive. There is of course a difference there too. It takes a while to find, but for the first time it is difficult. The food is bad there, or you have to pay a lot. In Thailand you can eat cheaply, I still like patthai. Can you eat for a euro,. Pili only rice and chicken, and often cold, if you don't want to eat expensive. And also thought it was less safe there. Gr Tjerk

  16. lucas says up

    Philippines is not going to beat Thailand, it is unsafe, expensive, bad food, nasty, only advantage is the language

  17. Pat says up

    I'm not much of a price conscious guy, so I can neither agree nor deny that Thailand has become so much more expensive…

    What I do know is that I don't feel it would have become more expensive, simply because it remains so crazy cheap.

    You can never bill someone else, so I won't, but if Thailand becomes too expensive for you, you must be in a bad financial situation.

    I wonder if there are countries in the world that are (much) cheaper and can still offer such a good quality of life than Thailand???

  18. rob says up

    Best of all. Around Nakhon Ratchasima the food is very affordable. Some examples.
    Coffee 30 bath. Tom Jam 35 bath. Many choice rice with vegetables 35bath. Water with ice for free. And so forth. So it's not too bad.
    You can also build houses there for little money. A holiday home in the Netherlands is many times more expensive.

  19. rud tam ruad says up

    The simple text of Hans almost suggests that this is a message to open the discussion. Well, I'd say SUCCESSFUL.
    I have been coming to Thailand for 17 years and yes it has become more expensive, and yes the Netherlands has also become more expensive and yes everything will be more expensive again in 17 years. But don't forget that wages etc are also up ( Aow is something else – )
    As already mentioned, it also has to do with the exchange rate of the Bath and the euro. It makes everything more expensive than 15 years ago.
    But it is. Do what you have to do. The question is, are you still doing it now that you read everything like this???
    Thailand has an advantage compared to the neighboring countries !!

  20. Cross Gino says up

    Dear Hans,
    Livelihoods are getting more expensive all over the world.
    Thais have reason to complain with a wage of 300 baht/day.
    Have you ever thought about the situation in the surrounding Asian countries with regard to medical care?
    Very bad, dilapidated hospitals, reuse of hypodermic needles, medicines expired, etc. (I know all this from a good source).
    Thailand is very good in this area.
    So we don't have it so bad here.
    But good luck in your new future country.
    Greetings.
    Gino.

  21. fred says up

    Hi, I have been living in the Philippines for 4 years but have visited Thailand a few times ( visa run ) and Thailand is still much cheaper than the Philippines. I am considering going to Thailand. Here you pay a blow in the round for your 59-day visa (€ 600 per year at least). I live in the most dangerous part of the country, or so they say (Mindanao). I would think it over again because Thailand is much, much more attractive than here in terms of infrastructure / safety / friendliness / wide choice of products.

  22. bona says up

    Dear Hans.
    An attempt to put a belt under your heart!
    This state of affairs has been dragging on for quite some time, but until now I am not aware of any Dutchman who has left the country because of a lack of money.
    Just adjust your activities and your entertainment to your budget.
    Pleasant vacation.

  23. John Chiang Rai says up

    I think it is very humane if someone also looks at the price level in the relevant country when booking their holiday. If, for example, you are dependent on a small holiday budget due to a low income, you often have no other choice. Only if you compare the prices with Europe, where you ultimately have to live, do I think that some people exaggerate the economy. When they come back to the Netherlands after the holiday, everyone should hear how cheap they enjoyed it. They often find it almost normal, and are proud to have found an address where the Tom yam costs 40 bath at the most, and the coffee 35 bath, and if the beer happens to be 20 bath more expensive than in the supermarket around the corner, the nagging already starts. The constant search for cheap, cheaper, cheapest is the reason why many people in this world have to work for starvation wages. Certainly everyone can have something against extortionate prices, and ensure that the price level is in reality up to the country and what is offered, only in the assessment we must also be fair, and think of the dark side that is often present, and which in Europe is not man would tolerate.

  24. patrick says up

    I don't understand why that response is still coming. A year and a half ago I got about 43-44 Baht for 1 euro. In January this year it was only 35-35,5 Baht/euro. Now we get 37-38 again, depending on where you shop. So I think the worst is actually already over. The euro has taken a serious hit as the ECB has started printing money en masse to get the economy going again. The aim is also to bring the USD to roughly the same level as the EUR. Thailand has not followed suit and the Baht has therefore become more expensive. But they are correcting, bit by bit. For those who are interested here: despite the minimum wage of 300 Baht per day, most day laborers in Isaan have to make do with 200 Baht. There is no control whatsoever because it is too little to levy tax and so no tax return is filed. In addition, it is much more interesting for the corrupt civil service to keep this pot covered. They earn more and can trade more easily under the table because it can be done cheaper. So also consider if you book a hotel for roughly 400 euros per week, that about 3 monthly wages of the day laborer working in the Isaan go through your hand there. Going to a terrace and drinking a coffee for 30 Baht corresponds approximately to the cost price of 10 euros for a coffee on an expensive terrace in Belgium or the Netherlands. We therefore find it outrageously expensive here and cause us indignation. For such a person, an average hot meal is equivalent to a daily restaurant visit of roughly EUR 15 per person. You can't go crazy for that. After all, we don't have it so bad here after all, do we? And then say that Thailand has become too expensive? Come on…

  25. janbeute says up

    As stated in reading the vast majority of these responses , the problem is in the Euro .
    And not in the Thai bath.
    If you want a cheap holiday , go to another Euro country .
    Certainly the Eastern European countries such as Bulgaria are cheaper.
    Greece may be an option after next week.
    If they had to leave the Euro , think it would be dirt cheap there .
    They have too many financial problems there.

    Jan Beute.

  26. r says up

    Ls,

    Thailand has become more expensive, but if you are a little careful, you can still enjoy a holiday here. Rob

  27. Mr. Bojangles says up

    It is strange that people only complain about becoming more expensive when the euro falls. I haven't heard anyone talk about getting cheaper in the days when the euro rose….
    So I think Thailand has only become more expensive in recent years. In the years before, the euro has risen from roughly $1,10 to $1,40. (for the precise among us: in extrema even from $0,85 to $1,45) So in that time life in Thailand has become cheaper for years. In other words, we are now just at the same level as a few years ago.

  28. chokedee says up

    It is a fact that Thailand has become more expensive, despite the lower euro.
    It is a fact that Thailand is no longer the land of smiles.
    It is a fact that Thailand has more eyes for the masses (Chinese, Russians) than for the poor European.
    It's a fact that the dirt cheap hotels in Thailand, coupled with cheaper flights to Bangkok, keep the farang coming back year after year.
    All in all, one can conclude that many tourists sometimes have reservations about Thailand.
    Philippines sounds good, but is more expensive because of the ticket. Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, probably not.
    Why do many begin to doubt? It's the arrogance, bad service, discrimination etc towards the farang.
    That is a sense of reality dear Teun. Take off your rose colored glasses. Thailand is not what it used to be. It is a beautiful country with nice people. But criticism is allowed, right? Or is the whole Thailand blog turned upside down?

  29. piet says up

    Unfortunately I have to disappoint Hans, on the contrary of what people think life in the Philippines is much more expensive than in Thailand.
    I have been coming to the Philippines for 35 years, but in recent years more often in Thailand and then you see how advantageous Thailand is compared to the Philippines.
    I think the problem lies more in the weak Euro.

    • YES says up

      A bottle of wine in Thailand costs at least three times as much as every other year
      Philippines. Liquor and all imported products are common in the Philippines
      cheaper. My Australian apple juice costs half as much in the Philippines
      of the price in Thailand,

      Phuket is even more expensive than the Netherlands in many cases. cappuccino
      quickly costs 2,5-3,00 euros in Phuket. Fitness subscription and cable TB
      much more expensive than in the Netherlands.

      Really cheap is Spain delicious three course lunch with a bottle for free
      nice wine for 10 euros. That bottle of wine alone costs 30 euros in Thailand
      all import duties.

      Thailand is only cheap if you want to live like a Thai on a plastic chair
      eat noodle soup at a market stall for 50 baht. A BMW costs double in Thailand
      of the Dutch price and you get poor service as a gift.

      Thailand has become 20% more expensive in the last two years and then the Euro has fallen another 20%,
      so a cheap holiday to Thailand has become a dream. The alternative is called Spain.
      Nice weather, nice people and good food. A 2,5-3 hour flight for around 200 euros per ticket.
      It is not for nothing that the number of tourists from Europe who go on holiday to Thailand has fallen sharply in recent years.

  30. Pat says up

    Criticism is already given enough on this Thailand blog, I have not worried about it for a long time, although it remains very strange…

    As far as the basis of the discussion is concerned: it is true that everything changes and everything becomes more expensive, but in my opinion it all remains in proportion.

    I also wonder how you as a private person (non-economist) can say that Thailand has become up to 35% more expensive in the last 4 years?

    If so, this certainly does not apply to food and drink.
    The prices of food and drinks remain incredibly cheap and you also have the phenomenon of 'bidding' in Thailand, so that you can also determine the prices of many things.

    Well, as I said, you can't make the bill for others, but we also earn more since 4 years ago, so it all stays the same I think...

  31. Eric Donkaew says up

    Let's objectify the discussion again.
    According to http://www.numbeo.com (deep link http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp) the Philippines are quite a bit cheaper than Thailand,

    100 is the New York index (price level).

    Consumer index
    The Netherlands 85,98
    Thailand 46,52
    Philippines 40,00

    Rent
    The Netherlands 35,50
    Thailand 16,72
    Philippines 7,53

    Consumer index with rent added
    The Netherlands 61,31
    Thailand 31,96
    Philippines 24,31

    Store prices
    The Netherlands 66,82
    Thailand 52,74
    Philippines 41,14

    Restaurant prices
    The Netherlands 102,13
    Thailand 24,72
    Philippines 23,13

    But perhaps the tourist footprint quotient in the Philippines is (still) a bit higher than in Thailand. Perhaps that is why the misunderstanding has taken root that life is more expensive there.

  32. theos says up

    I found an old bank statement from the Postbank Giro account dated August 30, 2005 where the rate of the Euro-Baht was 50,6175. It's even been 52. This one is now 37 and then some. Big difference, isn't it? So yes, for us it has become more expensive here and I have to tighten the belt a few holes. But to say that it is more expensive here than in the Netherlands is nonsense. I live among the Thais (always lived there) and still get by from Baht 25000 to 30000 per month. Eat out sometimes too. Own car and 2 motorcycles. Pay all bills and give son pocket money.

  33. KhunBram says up

    Partly determining is WHERE you stay in Thailand.
    Here in the Isaan, livelihood and nutrition is very very beneficial.
    At least that which is not directly 'controlled' by third parties. For example the internet. Or outlets that live off 'tourism'.

    Food, drink, clothing and all other daily necessities cannot be compared here with nl.
    And as for your new choice, I'd say try it. Then you know.

    Some examples of daily cost pattern:

    -important: no rent or loan on house due to family ownership.
    -gas consumption approx. 4 euros per year. Family 3 people.
    -waste tax 2 euros 60 per year
    -water 6 euros 20 per month
    -telephone and internet 19,10 per month
    -electricity incl.2 air conditioners. an average of 48 euros per month.

    -if you prefer (and you cannot cook for yourself) to buy the delicious daily meals in the village, you pay 1.50 euros per family per day. (picked up)
    ALL fresh. Every day. Meat (chicken, fish, beef or pork)
    Fresh vegetables.
    Fresh fruit.
    Prepared and sold with a smile.

    The Isan, my homeland.

    KhunBram.

  34. Lung addie says up

    As far as I can tell, the writer is not an expat but a tourist. I do wonder how you as a tourist can determine whether “life” in Thailand has become so much more expensive. Comparing today's prices with prices from 16 years ago is just nonsense. It is only people who live here who can determine whether this is "relatively" the case. The fact that the exchange rate of the Euro is now not favorable has nothing to do with the fact that "life" has become more expensive in Thailand. You simply drag this problem with you everywhere outside the Eurozone, any other country. And yes, the Euro has lost 30% to the Thaibaht, that's right.

    The duration of a holiday as a tourist is totally dependent on what he does/wants to do during his holiday. Does he come to Thailand and spend the whole day at the hotel swimming pool or on the beach, consumes one bottle of water with two straws, eats, like a Thai, some rice, vegetables and a nini bite of meat from a street stall…. yes then he can really have a dirt cheap holiday, incomparable to any Euroland. If he travels to the tourist attractions, fully enjoys all the pleasures that Thailand has to offer, both in the culinary and entertainment field, yes then there is a price tag attached to it and the tourist must decide for himself, according to his budget, whether he wants this want or not. If you do this elsewhere, it will also cost something. Eric Donkaew's index speaks volumes, but also largely refers to permanent residents and does not fully apply to tourists. They pay, mostly out of ignorance, even though they have been here for 16 years, more than the permanent resident. Spending 16 years here as a tourist has no view whatsoever on the longevity of Thailand.
    I can only say to the writer: if this is your opinion ... go on holiday elsewhere, in a place where you are better off budgetary and enjoy your new holiday resort to the fullest.

    LS Lung Addie (Permanent Resident)

  35. Adrian Castermans says up

    Thailand at 8 in the retirement list…

    http://internationalliving.com/2015/01/the-best-places-to-retire-2015/

    Been living in Bang Khen, Bangkok for a month. No farangs, but many Thai cycling tourists and prices are cheap for a farang


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