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Reader Submission: Speech Confusion
A little less, a little more? In Thai: หวานน้อย, หวานหน่อย
At my favorite coffee shop I always ask for a little less sweet, so 'waan noi' (หวานหน้อย). Sometimes there is a reasonably good Thai speaking Cambodian who then says affirmatively a little more sweet, so 'waan noi' (หวานหน่อย). Both 'หน้อย' and 'หน่อย' are 'noi'. Only the tone differs and the Cambodian girl has not yet sufficiently mastered that. Tino can probably help her with the phonetic spelling.
In any case, don't be surprised if something you ordered is sweeter than you asked for, or vice versa.
Submitted by Petervz
Noi with a falling tone?
Waan (rising) noi (high) = sweet little, little
Waan (rising) noi (low) = sweet slightly
http://thai-language.com/id/133151
http://thai-language.com/id/131634
There is a 'ห' missing in the first Thai word. Should be “หวานหน้อย”
I understand the confusion, but I would say ขอลดความหวาน (please less sweet)
But I can also think of some other words/phrases to make it clear.
I understand the confusion.
You can say it in different ways.
I would say
Geert,
This is the best way to say it. No misunderstanding possible. Just a little phonetically (those tones!)
Khǒh lót khwaam wǎan khráp rising, high, middle, rising, high
Good morning. Just had a nice cup of strong coffee with a lot of sugar, so this is nice to explain.
First the word 'noi'.. As far as I know it only exists in two tones, namely:
น้อย nói, high-pitched, meaning 'a little, small'
หน่อย nòi low tone has two meanings 1 a polite ending word to soften a request or order as in phôet chá chá nòi 'please talk a little slower' 2 (confusing) also 'a little' as in nít nòi 'phǒm phôet phaasǎa thai nít nòí 'I speak a little Thai'
หน้อย nôi falling tone, as stated in the posting, does not exist in Thai as far as I know (the ห and อ้ (น้) indicate the falling tone, but you should write it as น่อย also a falling tone). So หน้อย as in หน่อย is incorrect. Two different tones.
So it should be หวานน้อยหน่อยนะครับ wǎan nói nòi ná khráp (tones: rising, high, low, high, high) 'like a little sweet'
Summarizing:
wǎan nói high tone, a little sweet
wǎan nòi low tone, like sweet
Nice to show the importance of good tones.
You are right Tina. It's น้อย. Still not a spelling error 555
Yet “delusion noi” is something different from “destiny came delusion”. The first is in fact "little sweet", and the second "less (than usual) sweet" but that can still be quite sweet.
What is bad for me is bad for someone else.
Then say: "It is strictly forbidden to add even a grain of sugar!" And look very sternly! No smile!
I've been ordering หวานน้อย for years and everywhere and every Thai immediately knows what I mean, except that one Cambodian then 555
And no sugar/sweet at all, I don't like that