Response to the responses to my question regarding reporting falsified pension information (reader submissions)
I appreciate the responses to my question. And I can generally share those reactions as well. I am not happy with this situation either. The people who react negatively are also not aware of all the facts.
I have not mentioned these facts, because I did not consider it necessary just to get an answer to my question. I'm not a traitor. My mother helped many Jewish people during the war and made them go into hiding. I know of the fears she endured. She did that because she felt she had to.
I also feel the same towards the woman who is being exploited by the Norwegian. And I am certainly not a traitor!
I don't want to reveal the identity of the Norwegian and the woman here, but I do want to answer a few questions. The son in question lives elsewhere with relatives and is in secondary education. He wants to work in a hospital. In his spare time he volunteers on an ambulance. The son and the Norwegian are water and fire. My point of view is that if you want to live with a Thai woman as a foreigner, you have an obligation and responsibility for the care of that woman and her family. In this case, that family is her student son and her parents. who live in Isan.
That pension that he receives is less than 30.000 baht. His first expense, when he has received his pension, is to get drunk again and he has to be taken home. And that repeats itself a few more times until there is hardly any money left for food and the money for the son and her parents has to come from her friends and me. A visit to her parents who are sickly is only possible with financial support from friends and me. The house is free of rent. The only entertainment that the woman has is a few times with Thai friends and then he stalks her, because she has to stay away from the farangs and me in particular.
In addition, I also hold the view that if you want to live in Thailand, you have to adapt to the rules. And live and let live. Those who arrange it with less than the requested financial means have my blessing, if they are good to the woman and know their responsibility. I want to leave that at that.
Submitted by Louis
What your mother's activities have to do with this is unclear to me.
Nor do I see any resemblance between these activities and the betrayal of the Norwegian.
The woman in question certainly did not move in with him because of his great behavior and character.
If there is indeed nothing to be gained financially, she would have left long ago.
I also don't understand what you mean by exploiting the woman.
This is the case if she has to add money herself to stay with him.
Nor is it at all self-evident, or as you say obligatory, to support the whole family.
If things are going well for a woman, she'll find someone good enough to do it.
Because friends and you, as you say, support her, she stays with this man, which is no fun as you say.
So you indirectly support the Norwegian by helping his wife, who is almost forced to stay.
I think if you want to do something, give her a one-way ticket back to the Isan.
So that the Norwegian can take care of himself.
And regarding your first message,
He would have bought his visa with a lot of money through the Norwegian mafia.
I thought you said he had almost no money.?
Louis, it's clearer to me now. The man is heavily addicted and jealous too. Take comfort in the thought that the Norwegian will not grow old. But it does not justify betrayal, partly because he may blame his partner and then crazy things can happen.
If anyone has to do anything, it's 'she', or the son, or the local Thai community. Your Thai partner could signal the phuyai and he can achieve something. Thai people need to solve this problem; not you or any other farang.
Do you want something from his wife or something?
To worry about a drunk .. there are (unfortunately) enough.
But most of the drunks are fine with their visas. Not our Norwegian. Louis does have a point.
It seems to me in the first place the problem of the Thai woman.
If he doesn't give money, is constantly drunk, and is constantly watching her and possibly forbidding her to associate with other people, she should ask for help and kick him out.
If you would like to do something about the situation yourself, I would suggest that you contact her son and talk to him about what to do.
If only to prevent that son from doing something stupid today or tomorrow and ending up in jail.
This clarifies.
A possible solution seems to me that the Thai woman shows Noor the door, after which she hopefully finds someone else. But after consultation with someone who also knows the situation well, she will eventually have to make that decision herself.
i think steven is most right and that she should show him the door, it is not up to us farangs to interfere with this situation, i would give this family good advice and not interfere further.
It reads that you are cut from the right stuff and certainly not a traitor. I don't really understand the pity of some contributors for this drunk. That Norwegian is not worth a penny in the nose and unfortunately there are many others with him who show the same behavior. There are also the necessary people who consider hearing, seeing and speaking silent thoughts to be of paramount importance. Look away and don't interfere. Let people manage their own affairs, even if they can't handle it. Well, then give me the whistleblowers, humanity benefits from that at times. Charity, showing compassion and actually acting when this is really necessary, I respect that. So be yourself and don't mind those comments that aren't worth responding to. I have also read some good responses that can certainly help those involved. Involve as many people as possible who can mediate and bring those involved to reason. The couple is apparently not well for each other, so the path of departure must be smoothed before things really go wrong and then things will not change.
Betraying the man in question will only make the situation worse.
I don't understand why you are interfering in the whole situation. If his wife is no longer in agreement with all this, she should throw him out. You or we have nothing to do with that.
It's none of your business Louis. Let the woman decide for herself whether she wants to live with him or not, as an outsider you cannot know the daily affairs because you do not live in the house of the Norwegian and this woman. Many Thai people live on an extremely modest income and whether or not the Norwegian contributes is not your problem, the lady chooses and if she does not want or does not want it, she could decide, just like millions of others, to continue alone, but apparently it is not a problem financially. You are not a social worker and you do not have to act like a traitor because that would deprive the Norwegian of his happiness and enjoyment of living in Thailand; How would you feel if you lost or left everything in your home country and were then expelled from your new country of residence because there is a 3rd person who makes a difference as to what is good or not? Come on, stay away from the Norwegian, there are plenty of other people you can hang out with. Meddling is also a disease, just like the know-it-all finger, in many cases you have already had a tap on the nose, literally or figuratively. Well, as a socially committed person, I want to stand up for the Norwegian, many people have drinking or other problems, but that does not mean that you can decide for him what is good or not. Problems often happen to someone or are hereditary, such as addiction or other medical and social problems; None of this makes someone a bad person.
Louis' point of view, I believe, is that if you want to live as a foreigner with a Thai woman, you have an obligation and responsibility for the care of that woman and her family.
Yes, I don't know in which Thai community you live and which people you hang out with, but with my more than 30 years of Thailand experience and quite a few relationships with Thai women, I can answer that I have never had a relationship with anyone. who has had financial care for other family members except for this care for minor children. And I have never had anyone in these relationships who could not take care of themselves through a job or self-employment. Let me just stop here as far as Louis's point of view is concerned, but it does somewhat illustrate the interaction with which Thai people he prefers, with all the associated problems, such as in this case the relationship of another couple.
The golden rule in Thailand is still: hear, see and speak no evil…. and above all stay out of the waters of others !! A farang who gets involved with internal problems is also not appreciated by immigration, because that means loss of face for them!
Dear Louis, it is to be commended that you have some clear points of view in life, but do not impose them on others. Just because you feel you have an obligation to care for your wife's family doesn't mean someone else has to do the same. For example, I don't do that at all. I do, however, share with you the point of view that you should live and let live. But that does not mean that you can judge whether others do not. That is what I dislike in your story: you judge that the Norwegian is wrong and you say that you think he should change. But the whole situation of your neighbor is none of your business. that you have compassion for her and her son, that is to your credit, but it must be no more. So my answer to your questions is: don't interfere, don't make the situation your own and don't reason to prove yourself right. It is up to the neighbor and her son themselves whether or not to change their situation. that is none of your business, even if you think their situation is miserable. But that too is just a judgment.
I don't understand why they interfere, there are a lot of people here in Thailand who live here but don't have 800.000 baht in an account, for example the British get an AOW from their government that doesn't exceed 40.000 baht, but still live happy here and still manage to obtain an annual Visa.
It is only the Thai government that asks as much as 800.000 or 65.000 THB per month, while the people here earn around 15.000 baht per month when they work.
The Thai government only wants millionaires here while a lot of foreigners help an incredible amount of Thai people to live and live here.
Agree with the people who say about that Norwegian that if his wife is unhappy she should go back to Isaan, but I don't believe that.
So ma'am let it go, and don't interfere anymore!
If I'm to believe you, all those Englishmen have an illegal visa, obtained through illegal channels.
I collected 800000THB with great effort because this had to and should be kept quiet.
Your message is totally wrong. The people who are okay with immigration should all protest much louder. I already support our Louis.
I have the impression that most of the comments are negative to your post… so it's best not to interfere.
But you clearly see this differently, do you know and know the whole truth and all the facts, suspect not. So live and let live.
Here's another response from me.
Thanks for the understanding responses, but I don't like those outspoken negative responses from people who are not fully informed. Let me answer that, that I am 100% in all details. I am their neighbour. And the Thai woman's first point of contact (not married to him..only the promise to take care of him). So that he has a home and doesn't get stuck somewhere with too much booze.
The Norwegian doesn't have a penny outside of that pension. He was dumped in Thailand by his son he originally lived with. That son must have his reasons for that.
The Norwegian pays the costs for the falsified pension data from his monthly pension.
The woman in question is not the youngest anymore and she does not consider it feasible to collect a sufficient income on her own. So she painfully accepts this situation until she is freed from it, but she herself is unable to do so. And that is a situation that is not unique in Thailand! And when I talk about exploitation, it's not just financial and I don't have to fill that in further. I still haven't filed that report, but those outspoken negative reactions from people who may have butter on their heads themselves. makes me think
Dear Louis,
You yourself say at the beginning of your response: “I appreciate the responses to my question. And I can generally share those reactions.”
Our reactions were negative across the board. And yet you have to start a new topic again in the hope of proving yourself. Where do you get the right to interfere in other people's lives? Worse, you might even report that poor man for fraud.
Leave those people alone. Your meddling is completely misplaced. Madam will do her own thing without a farang interfering in her private life.
And where do you get the right to interfere with Louis (because he started a topic) (and Louis has also observed something).
I wasn't going to respond to this thread, but I have to say something.
Many of your comments are indeed negative. Louis is labeled here as a traitor! However, I do not share that opinion.
Every week I read here the lamentations about the red tape that we as Farang have to go through in order to stay another year. Every year it's nail biting in the hope that the immigration officer has not changed their procedure and we can return at a later time (I experienced firsthand last week). Every year we, poor Farang neatly coloring between the lines, are allowed to block 800.000 THB in an account (while we can do much more pleasant things with that money) to please the Thai government. Every year we can queue for hours to beg if we can please stay another year.
The rules for our year extension are carefully checked, if there is a point or comma wrong, we will be shown the door. Well dear people, we owe this to those who are not okay with anything. Those who flout the rules and laws and know the way to stay here illegally! And we MUST agree to that?
No, Louis is NOT a traitor. Louis has a hard time that he MUST be in good order to stay here while others casually manage to circumvent the laws. I'm sorry, but I understand Louis' point of view and support him in that.
Louis, I have the impression that you are regretting your posting because of 'negative' comments. You have yourself to thank for that by starting about linking someone up without immediately coming up with facts. We now know those facts, I hope, and I still think that reporting to the authorities is wrong and I wrote that.
If you find yourself the person to do something read my 24/8 advice again. Do it the Thai way, keep your white nose out of it and put someone more accepted like the kamnan, the phuyai or someone else of standing in the local community like a respected monk. Those people can get the woman to kick him out.
Someone who resides illegally in a country is at fault and must be irrevocably expelled.
I have to reapply for my residence every year. This costs me money and time.
That Norwegian apparently doesn't have to do anything and is allowed to do his own thing. Maybe the Thai government should shut down their immigration service and open the borders to everyone.
Can't resist not responding (will try to be polite...)
Louis, whether you know the facts or not... it doesn't matter at all,
don't get involved... don't try to be a hero(are you not at all, to anyone!!!!),
I'm glad you're not my neighbor...
don't poke your nose into someone else's relationship or papers or finances and certainly not into someone else's visa application.
The fact that you receive a lot of negative reactions is therefore no different than normal.. it is underhanded and betrayal.. whether you realize this yourself or not, fortunately there are enough people here to try to make you realize that,
The question of whether it is wise to meddle with other people's papers and visas knowing that an agent is involved and that it has been approved by the IO should be enough to understand that you are in the wrong territory,, meddle you not with it.
Louis completely agree with you, the Norwegian is a low life .and there are many more.
I was able to see a documentary on TV in which English women were imprisoned because they had killed their "husband". Driven to the point of desperation that this happened. No one they could turn to.
Not that I hope the son comes to that, as you know these are water and fire. The woman can live with it(?) and that is a point for you, because of your thoughts. Can I come along at all. You know about it by talking to her.
As Erik says, let a Thai move in and stay out of it. You are a farang in Thailand and that is different. Difficult to know for sure.
Just look at the Dutchman, who introduced “double pricing” of health costs in a lawsuit. The judge stated that "it was good for Thailand". End of court case.
Should ever read a story about a couple who had a fight in the street and the man got touched. An outsider said something about it, because of his principles and thoughts to stop this.
They did indeed and the outsider suddenly had the couple against him.
Well, do you think you're doing well and then?
I can only give you, think before you leap. Very strange things can happen that you didn't foresee, but OK, that's life
I want to thank everyone for the positive responses. I'm not sure yet what I'm going to do. When I do nothing, I follow the well-meaning advice of many. But I think that's cowardly, because then I agree that such “low lives” can continue to do their thing. And must I allow him to continue on the chosen path. Past behavior is future behaviour. And looking away is not my nature. I see everything, I have been trained in this in my working life.
I don't interfere with anyone, let everyone do their own thing, even if it's not according to my standards. But when someone places themselves above the law and above the applicable rules and also clearly lives at the expense of a good fellow human being in my immediate living environment, then that does not leave me indifferent. Don't worry Mark, I don't think you are the neighbor with whom I wish to be identified. I'm also fairly selective with whom I drink a beer.
I also saw a message today that the Imm police now wants an overview of all bank transactions during a year with a visa application. So they already know what's going on.
Putting pressure on Noor to take better care of his girlfriend, otherwise…. oops, that's going to cause a neighbour's fight.
It is of course outrageous that Louis and others help the Thai family financially… that Norwegian pays nothing, so it is 'useless'.